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22 Feb 2007, 12:39 pm

And your right, life shouldn't be a competition. So why are you trying to make it one? "Oh those evil conservatives" but you don't even realise (because you do not ***WANT*** to realise) that the liberal lable is just as intolerant of others. Your not a "free thinker" or "open minded" or "progressive" or "new age" or whatever you think you are by following political correctness, your just a sheep, furthermore the one thing you try to avoid being called, a biggot. I constantly hear the flame war between religious fanatics and pc-nutcases, both sides want to point the fingers at each other but neither side wants to acknowledge their own faults.



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22 Feb 2007, 12:40 pm

Also censorship is a breech of freedom of speech, obviously the pc trend is keeping people afraid to explore the real truth.



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22 Feb 2007, 1:33 pm

snake321 wrote:
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I think that being 'PC' is not something to fear
(it is not a breach of your freedom of speech, ok)

What it is ... is showing other people on this planet (Earth) that you can show respect & tolerance

(two values held high by most religions)

Life is not a competition
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Tolerance? Political Correctness is very intolerant of historically dominant groups such as whites, males, heterosexuals. Any scientifically or statistically prooven truth gets tossed right out the window so that they can tell a lie to avoid conflict. However, when denying the said truth infringes upon the livelyhood or rights of the white/male/heterosexual, it gets ignored.
Examples being that it's "politically incorrect" to acknowledge that females can be sexist or that blacks/browns can be racist. So if I'm beaten down or robbed for being white, I can't call it racism, it's just an assault. But in reality it IS racism.


That is not true, you have a fairly narrow view of the subject, here.
Your interest seems to focus on white/male/heterosexuals (...let me guess... you are a white/male/heterosexual ?!??)
Whereas if you want to debate whether or not 'political correctness' is good or not you need to be able to see things from the other side(s) ... treat others as you would have them treat you, for one.

Your examples highlight this too, i think...

To correct you... it is not politically incorrect to acknowledge that females can be sexist
(because they can be sexist, and so too can males .. but not all of them and not all the time)

...same goes for your other example. And, if you are beaten down or robbed, I wouldn't advise calling it racism, unless it IS racism - careful not to make assumptions (interesting too, how you portray non white people, hmm.. might want to consider where the racism is lurking, dude)

I think perhaps, that you fear political correctness or think that it's something you need to fight ...
You started your post by saying that 'pc' is intolerant of "historically dominant groups such as whites, males, heterosexuals..."

Political correctness DOES mean being tolerant (something we should be very grateful of here, i think)

...and if it is at odds with some of the stuff that white/male/heterosexuals have done 'historically' ... well then ... that kind of speaks for itself ... you gotta understand that historically, some of those things were considered ok at the time... but these days, not so.

It's not about being a 'leftie' or being liberal ... it more like, not having a right-wing agenda to keep white/male/heterosexuals ... dominant.

Everyone is equal ... it seems silly to me to be debating (as you are) your 'right' to segregate and separate peoples (by sex, race, orientation, colour and all the other things you think make you 'better' than others)

But then again it is looking like everyone has attached various things to the meaning of 'political correctness'



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22 Feb 2007, 1:38 pm

snake321 wrote:
And your right, life shouldn't be a competition. So why are you trying to make it one? "Oh those evil conservatives" but you don't even realise (because you do not ***WANT*** to realise) that the liberal lable is just as intolerant of others. Your not a "free thinker" or "open minded" or "progressive" or "new age" or whatever you think you are by following political correctness, your just a sheep, furthermore the one thing you try to avoid being called, a biggot. I constantly hear the flame war between religious fanatics and pc-nutcases, both sides want to point the fingers at each other but neither side wants to acknowledge their own faults.



My friend ... YOU are the one with a head full of stereotypes .. just re-read your posts .. its all there in black and white.
(have a look at the language and labels you've used)

I think for myself ... just because you go around calling others (who dont share your view) a sheep,
does not mean that you are an individual ... because that is the right-wing thing to do, they rant and shout and for all their words (see above) produce very little evidence/logical argument to backup some out-dated stereotypes ... it aint new, dude.

baaaa
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22 Feb 2007, 1:42 pm

I'm not being prejudiced against women, race minorities, or sexual orientations. I've already acknowledged that all those bad things have happened. I can't do anything about it, so I shouldn't have to kiss someone's ass in order to respect them. You do know my best friends are black and puerto rican?
Political Correctness is racist against the people it supposedly protects, because it's set around kissing their ass in order to avoid conflict. You can sit there and say "oh it's not biggoted against white/male/hetero" all you want, but I guarantee the moment i say something that is probably scientifically prooven, that isn't politically correct, such as stating a case of female sexism or black on white racism, or even that females generally have an easier time socialising and being accepted than their male counterparts, your probably gonna say "f**k logic, he's not being politically correct".



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22 Feb 2007, 1:44 pm

snake321 wrote:
Also censorship is a breech of freedom of speech, obviously the pc trend is keeping people afraid to explore the real truth.


Dude!

Should we be worried ?? ...i mean, you keep going on about white/male/heterosexual dominance and 'the real truth'
(whatever that is ... either way all sounds a bit '1940s-dodgy' to me 8O this is 2007 after all)


... take care of yourself ....and others
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22 Feb 2007, 1:44 pm

Dude, hurt your brain alittle bit and allow yourself a headache with words and pictures, it's called thinking. Until then please shut the f**k up and go watch your Mtv.



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22 Feb 2007, 1:49 pm

Once again, my best friends are black and puerto rican. So, call me a racist again. Your just making illogical statements. I'm threw here at wrong planet, I see no point in arguing with people who are too ignorant to see their own faults. Yes, I have seen mine, and I've worked over many of them. If I have an ego it's because I'm surrounded by people who have no interest in bettering themselves and seeking logical ways of bringing ALL humanity, be they black, white, borwn, asian, jewish, christian, atheist, muslim, straight, gay, bi, male, female, or whatever, to humanity's best interest, not one group's or one person's best interest.



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22 Feb 2007, 1:56 pm

Hey, relax dude .. we are debating, not arguing.

Everyone's got different views, just stay coooooool 8)


(... i'm glad you now see the light though :wink: )



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23 Feb 2007, 6:35 am

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Sorry! I shall just call you Awesomelyglorious from here on in without trying to define your exact political, philosophical or economic position. And I did not blame you; I was trying to clarify what I had said. I never meant to imply any overall similarity between your position, Buddhism and Marxism, (they are about as different a set of philosophies as you can get) merely a naively optimistic view of human nature, and I regret saying that much; it is probably ill-considered and more to the point wrong. Is liberalism or liertarianism your preferred term?

No problem! I just don't like being misdiagnosed at least not on a grand scale, and I consider myself a thoughtful person so I would have to defend an idea that is attacked as untrue or absurd. I did not consider my view of mankind an extreme of optimism considering that I can be relatively cynical, I just think that governments can mess up in calculating the good of individuals while these individuals will be better at making their own decisions or at least should have the freedom to do so. I really don't go by those terms you give. Heck, I am more likely to call myself conservative given the type of political conditions in the US. This is no support of Republicans, who have acted in a manner against the conservation of American principles as many would recognize, but rather a recognition that American conservatism does serve my purposes to some extent, despite the many flaws going through it in all forms of policy(although, all political parties have flaws to be honest), and the term conservative falls more in mainstream thought than what I would otherwise be called. If you call me any true appellation for my political ideology then I would prefer libertarian though, the reason being that unless you clearly define liberalism as being classical, people confuse you with the other form of liberalism.


Thank you for accepting my apology, and I realise that your philosophy would not generally be considered naive, an accusation a bit rich coming from me probably. So you are a libertarian or classical liberal. I think I will use the latter; the former is as open to misinterpretation as liberal and classical liberal is reasonably specific. I appreciate that being misdiagnosed, especially on a grand scale, can be decidedly provoking. My profound apologies.


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23 Feb 2007, 1:44 pm

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Thank you for accepting my apology, and I realise that your philosophy would not generally be considered naive, an accusation a bit rich coming from me probably. So you are a libertarian or classical liberal. I think I will use the latter; the former is as open to misinterpretation as liberal and classical liberal is reasonably specific. I appreciate that being misdiagnosed, especially on a grand scale, can be decidedly provoking. My profound apologies.

Ok, I really am not a person easy to piss off. Well, I don't think my philosophy is on the extreme end, if you confused me with anarcho-anythingism then I can see that attack actually being valid, however, I did explicitly say that interventions could be necessary. I just distrust some of them, especially the ones that attempt to go against markets which is not a completely irrational position as I am sure that many groups do think that markets should be used. Your choices on what to all me, I obviously show a strong tendency not to care what I am called so long as it is accurate. Ok, as I said earlier I do not offend incredibly easy, at least not when something is unintentional.



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23 Feb 2007, 3:25 pm

Davidufo wrote:
Political correctness DOES mean being tolerant (something we should be very grateful of here, i think)


Enlighten us further, would you? What else does political correctness mean? I think to snake321, and certainly to myself, it means any real dialogue involving certain issues is stifled for fear of politically instigated repercussions. For example, say some local Muslim youths were intimidating elderly people, and this was becoming a problem for the indigenous inhabitants of a certain part of the UK. Chances are that the police would do little, the local press wouldn't report it, and those who pushed for action to be taken would be labelled as racist. And that's why nobody else would act: because being labelled racist means you can lose your job, be subject to intimidation, and even arrest and imprisonment. Who does that benefit? Only politicians, and the type of people who like to abuse the hospitality of a nation that's given them a home. Why does it occur specifically in the case I've given? Because politicians have filled the South east of the country to bursting point with foreigners of different cultures, languages and colours, with reckless negligence as regards to the impact on the people who already live here. These politicians, to protect their own positions, need to be able to control the understandable anger many feel: political correctness is one tool they use. Political correctness creates an illusion.

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Everyone is equal...


But they are not. They never have been, and never will. Political correctness again uses an illusion to create an artificial paradigm for left wing ideology to function; it's the only place most left wing ideology can function: cloud-cuckoo-land.



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23 Feb 2007, 3:45 pm

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But they are not. They never have been, and never will. Political correctness again uses an illusion to create an artificial paradigm for left wing ideology to function; it's the only place most left wing ideology can function: cloud-cuckoo-land.


This makes no sense.



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23 Feb 2007, 4:24 pm

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This makes no sense.

He is essentially just stating that everyone is not equal, he argues that political correctness is a tool of the left to push forward ideas that are incorrect by making them seem "correct". He then ends with the belief that left-wing ideas are unrealistic. One can argue that he is incorrect, but his argument is easy to discern, and probably will be something that Davidufo will try to attack through attacking the right as wrong, and through defending political correctness as simply a way to be polite. I may be misinterpreting you as you might just be claiming that his logic does not follow.



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23 Feb 2007, 4:35 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
Thank you for accepting my apology, and I realise that your philosophy would not generally be considered naive, an accusation a bit rich coming from me probably. So you are a libertarian or classical liberal. I think I will use the latter; the former is as open to misinterpretation as liberal and classical liberal is reasonably specific. I appreciate that being misdiagnosed, especially on a grand scale, can be decidedly provoking. My profound apologies.

Ok, I really am not a person easy to piss off. Well, I don't think my philosophy is on the extreme end, if you confused me with anarcho-anythingism then I can see that attack actually being valid, however, I did explicitly say that interventions could be necessary. I just distrust some of them, especially the ones that attempt to go against markets which is not a completely irrational position as I am sure that many groups do think that markets should be used. Your choices on what to all me, I obviously show a strong tendency not to care what I am called so long as it is accurate. Ok, as I said earlier I do not offend incredibly easy, at least not when something is unintentional.


Of course markets should be used. They are needed for the exchange of goods and in the process ideas. I am just sceptical of the extent of the use; but certainly governments are not exactly a panacea either.


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23 Feb 2007, 4:57 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
gobi wrote:
This makes no sense.

He is essentially just stating that everyone is not equal, he argues that political correctness is a tool of the left to push forward ideas that are incorrect by making them seem "correct". He then ends with the belief that left-wing ideas are unrealistic. One can argue that he is incorrect, but his argument is easy to discern, and probably will be something that Davidufo will try to attack through attacking the right as wrong, and through defending political correctness as simply a way to be polite. I may be misinterpreting you as you might just be claiming that his logic does not follow.


Yeah, I got the gist of it. The logic doesn't follow.