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Are religions unfair to women?
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No 25%  25%  [ 14 ]
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19 Feb 2014, 7:30 am

Apparently, a lot of women do like dominant men, though.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcHg77J5Yc[/youtube]

Telling women that they shouldn't be submissive to men is unfair to the women who want to be submissive to men.



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19 Feb 2014, 9:18 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Apparently, a lot of women do like dominant men, though.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcHg77J5Yc[/youtube]

Telling women that they shouldn't be submissive to men is unfair to the women who want to be submissive to men.


Yeah...overall most do..but..that seems to be changing..as the PILL directs females more toward the so called beta male..and overpopulation and general social stress..tends to make a social species..less sexually dimorphic over time..per the 4 inch average erect penises in India and all of that...

It's just a natural spectrum of differences that does change over time..depending at least in part on prenatal hormonal influences..per stress and other epigenetic factors..

It's not classic evolution..

It's situational and circumstantial evolution..per use of that metaphor...

'Interestingly' enough for me at 222Lbs..of pretty solid muscle..per the evidence of my last post..

I like small women dominating me..
but i like to dominate larger women..(back in the day..before my 108 Lb pacific islander mix wife..24 or so years ago..)

per whose on top..

But i guess no..i don't wanna be banging anyone's head
against the head board either..;)(been there done that2)by mistake only...
too much information and all of that....:)2

but my wife
says
thanks...;)


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19 Feb 2014, 10:27 am

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individual women have played important roles throughout the New Testament (throughout the entire Bible, really).


There are only 188 named women in the Bible, most of which are only mentioned as the wife/sister/daughter of an important named male character.

Compare that to the 1181 male names in the Bible, around 1/4 of which are only mentioned in geneologies.


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19 Feb 2014, 10:38 am

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8O Do you realize what you've become? A MALE FEMINIST!! !!


I'm well aware, and as hard as you might find this to believe, it's a view I've maintained through most of my life. While I do identify somewhat with feminists, I can't say I share ALL their views. I'm a man, after all, so how could I possibly? I certainly diverge from the radical thread of feminism, as I tend to do with most any view out there. But, no, I'm not ashamed to hold many views that place a woman's wishes or needs above my own. Unfortunately, I suspect this fact is not going to make much of a difference in how I am perceived. I will find SOME way to cope. :roll:



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19 Feb 2014, 10:38 am

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First of all, Skeptic's Annotated is a blatantly biased source, which is my chief objection to LKL's post. It's a quote mine, pure and simple. The context in which 1 Timothy 2:11-12 is presented in Skeptic's is for the express purpose of exposing misogyny in the New Testament, and I don't believe this is Paul's intention.

Yes, it is, but for the most part it's not as inaccurate as religionists like to claim.
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For starters, the purpose of the Timothy letters appears to be read more like a manual for church leadership. Among other things, it is intended to establish an ordered worship and teaching experience within church meetings. It has nothing to do with one sex being systematically dominant over another.

BS. If it had to do with leadership and not gender, it would specify leadership rather than gender.
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Women being quiet in the church, as I've said before, is a rule more akin to requiring school children raise their hands and waiting to be called upon before responding.

Jesus effing Christ. Do you think a statement like that helps your case?!
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Wives ought to be supportive of their husbands, anyway, and that's a timeless principle. Being mutually compassionate, kind, and supportive promotes unity within the family and ensures a healthy structure that allows each family member to act in harmony to reach mutually beneficial goals.

Yes, wives should absolutely be supportive of their husbands... and the reciprocal is also true. Why is only one emphasized?
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...without an universally agreed upon and effective conflict-resolution strategy for dealing with an impasse, you breed discord in the home.

'agreed upon conflict-resolution strategy does not necessarily mean, 'the husband can always win, if he really wants to.' In general, feminism has been good for marriage and families:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/fashi ... YsuClN0avQ
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"Over all, the evidence shows that the shifts within marriages — men taking on more housework and women earning more outside the home — have had a positive effect, contributing to lower divorce rates and happier unions."
http://jfi.sagepub.com/content/early/20 ... 3.abstract
quote: "Results show that wives and husbands who spend more hours in housework and paid work report more frequent sex."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/29/opini ... 60&ei=5087
quote: "...the divorce rate has been falling continuously over the past quarter-century, and is now at its lowest level since 1970. While marriage rates are also declining, those marriages that do occur are increasingly more stable."
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... -families/
quote: "In other words, gender-egalitarian marriages and marriages where parenthood is planned tend to be stronger once kids are in the picture. And kids do better socially and academically in stable and happy marriages."
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It doesn't matter even a little bit that you personally try not to be an as*hole in your own view, or that you don't do it in public; it matters that you think that you have the right to 'rule the roost' when the feathers fly: "What I WILL do, however, if I really feel that strongly about it, is tell my wife in private that the decision in question was the wrong decision and to never do that again." If she doesn't have the same right with you, and it sounds like she doesn't, that means that you're using your religion's teachings for an unfair advantage in the relationship.
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Third, and somewhat related to my previous point, SAB seems to use a poor interpretation of the passage to grossly distort its intended meaning to suggest something it doesn't.

Based on your own description, it sounds like the SAB is exactly correct in its interpretation.
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When Paul says he doesn't allow a woman to usurp authority over the man, he uses the greek word authentein. The usage of this word is important because it refers to a woman having an undue domineering role over her husband. If we take issue with domineering men being unfair to women, then we certainly should take issue with the opposite.

Yes, we should... but why does the Bible only say one, and not the other? Why doesn't the bible say that it's wrong for men to be domineering and unfair to their wives?
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Women are not denied leadership roles within the church...

*snort*
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...individual women have played important roles throughout the New Testament (throughout the entire Bible, really).

*snort*
More often, they're not even mentioned, much less named.
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Fourth, it relates to a teaching/learning relationship. Women here are given equal opportunity to learn from scripture, not something that was always common in Hebrew tradition and represents a shift within Christianity. I'm not sure why women are singled out here, but it seems to be something that would be equally applicable to both men and women learners.

Again, BS.
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If Paul felt the need to mention this here, it could be related to a disruptive practice that was current at the time in which women were often guilty of some kind of disruptive (domineering?) behavior.

If he had meant 'it's bad for either gender to use domineering behavior,' then he would have said so rather than specifying women. He was 'inspired by god,' right?
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Finally, false teachings were not unknown in the period immediately following the ascension. It is entirely possible that the whole thing relates to a false teaching that specifically dealt with female worshipers.

If he had meant, 'it's bad to spread false teachings,' he would have said so. 'Inspired by god,' right?


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19 Feb 2014, 10:40 am

The Abrahamic religions, in particular, are hard on women.



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19 Feb 2014, 10:45 am

AngelRho wrote:
I'm well aware, and as hard as you might find this to believe, it's a view I've maintained through most of my life. While I do identify somewhat with feminists, I can't say I share ALL their views. I'm a man, after all, so how could I possibly? I certainly diverge from the radical thread of feminism, as I tend to do with most any view out there. But, no, I'm not ashamed to hold many views that place a woman's wishes or needs above my own. Unfortunately, I suspect this fact is not going to make much of a difference in how I am perceived. I will find SOME way to cope. :roll:


*SNORT*

OBEDIENT wives lead to respectful kids. :shameonyou:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJZddedVVVI[/youtube]



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19 Feb 2014, 3:09 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns0W4d1EGco[/youtube]



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19 Feb 2014, 5:15 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
I'm well aware, and as hard as you might find this to believe, it's a view I've maintained through most of my life. While I do identify somewhat with feminists, I can't say I share ALL their views. I'm a man, after all, so how could I possibly? I certainly diverge from the radical thread of feminism, as I tend to do with most any view out there. But, no, I'm not ashamed to hold many views that place a woman's wishes or needs above my own. Unfortunately, I suspect this fact is not going to make much of a difference in how I am perceived. I will find SOME way to cope. :roll:


*SNORT*

OBEDIENT wives lead to respectful kids. :shameonyou:

*SNORT*



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19 Feb 2014, 6:22 pm

AngelRho wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
I'm well aware, and as hard as you might find this to believe, it's a view I've maintained through most of my life. While I do identify somewhat with feminists, I can't say I share ALL their views. I'm a man, after all, so how could I possibly? I certainly diverge from the radical thread of feminism, as I tend to do with most any view out there. But, no, I'm not ashamed to hold many views that place a woman's wishes or needs above my own. Unfortunately, I suspect this fact is not going to make much of a difference in how I am perceived. I will find SOME way to cope. :roll:


*SNORT*

OBEDIENT wives lead to respectful kids. :shameonyou:

*SNORT*
*SNORT*


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19 Feb 2014, 6:35 pm

A *SNORTING* contest, eh?

Okay, here is book that might be of interest: Get Married and Be Submissive by Costanza Miriano

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlPru2LsAZU[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRVeR5OUT8g[/youtube]

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19 Feb 2014, 7:11 pm

*SNORT* Here is what the SBC sayeth:

http://www.sbclife.org/articles/1999/04/sla5.asp

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A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. He has the God-given responsibility to provide for, to protect, and to lead his family. A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.


So there! It isn't just Muslim and Catholic wives who have to be submissive and obedient. :shameonyou:



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19 Feb 2014, 8:23 pm

*SNORT*Religions are unfair to women and encourage the subjigation of women on behalf of imaginary beings called gods! *SNORT*Now heres a vid of a girl *SNORTING* booze![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91QdzZ-kzj0[/youtube]*SNORT* now heres a vid of pigs snorting! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dGxPPIUDCw[/youtube]*SNORT SNORT SNORT SNORT SNORT SNORT!*


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19 Feb 2014, 8:31 pm

*SNOOOOOORRRRRRRTTTTT!! !! !*


A cute song begins at about 2 minutes into this. :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JoJLnT8zCk[/youtube]



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19 Feb 2014, 8:46 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
*SNOOOOOORRRRRRRTTTTT!! !! !*


A cute song begins at about 2 minutes into this. :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JoJLnT8zCk[/youtube]
*SNOOOOOOOOORRRRRTTTTTT!! !! !* That song is going to *SNORT* anger many women and *SNORT* Feminists! I mean *SNORT* *SNORT* *SNORT* You might summon *SNORT* Big Red! *SNORT*


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19 Feb 2014, 8:50 pm

Male-dominated societies are unfair to women.

Male-dominated religions are a symptom of this, not a cause.