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07 Mar 2014, 11:44 pm

Reality is what our perceptions percieve.

This is known to change over life.

There is a source, a large blue frog, that everything radiates from.

No two have the same perception. Reality is exturnal.

Oh benevolent gift waves of reality,
grant me the ability to know all things,
by seeing, hearing, and reflecting.
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08 Mar 2014, 12:03 pm

i spent my childhood as a creator and moving into school and work and illness for about 48 years a spectator and actor in another person's play.

Now i find myself as a creator .. director .. producer .. philospher.. photographer.. writer ..poet.. athlete .. dancer .. martial artist.. etc.. etc.. etc..

But what make it real is i am playing now..and under no direction of any one else.

This makes a huge difference in reality for me as the energy is coming from me rather than being infused in me through the necessity of following the rules of everyone else.

My reality is freedom.

At least for me it is much different that the prison that can come from our complex language, collective intelligence, and ever changing culture and norms associated with it.

And no, if i was still working it would be much harder to be free, or if i lived in a country that did allow the beauty of freeedom this country, the US allows.

But, anyway, reality is very much influenced by expectations and limitations from an ever changing cultural norm.

And what i do know is one's reality is shaped by one's will and ability to create one's own play of life.

Free will is not free, but for all practical intents and purposes one can create it for one with ONE and when i capitllize one i just mean gaining a balance in life with All it is per the masculine, feminine, positive, dark, light, and actions that produce the consequences in life.

We choose the flavor of this reality.

I choose bliss and happiness; a much different flavor of reality than an abyss and misery, but again it is not free and IT takes dedication and great will to actually be in this type of reality of bliss and happiness constantly, regardless of how other people see and act on one's own reality.


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08 Mar 2014, 12:23 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
BTW Ann2011 - I kinda hope I didn't come off too abrasive with that. Didn't mean to bash the thread, just that there's a lot of heat and contention between different groups and hence it's a dicey subject.

Some people can be seeking all their lives and feel like they're maybe gaining clarity on what is isn't and/or getting the general directions to look in but still have miles to go. Other people feel like the ultimate answer can be figured out in five minutes and if their answer is good enough for them it's good enough for anyone.

My own opinion is that Platonic theories of ideas, form, and archetypes have a lot to them. My opinion of course to be taken or left as anyone would wish.


i love to hear your ideas of how you experience reality and i love to hear the reality of others no matter how strange or different they may be from mine.

But i am secure in my own reality, and perhaps this makes the difference in what i often do find among others who can not understand or care to even see my deeper insights over a life of 5 decades of tremendous change and challenge.

The main reason i survived is i never personally judged another person's reality, but instead it was only an opportunity to understand a difference of another to gain wisdom in life.

Without the openness to the infinite potentials of other folks reality, i would certainly BE a closed mind, but no, for me freedom is about being fully open, intellectually, physically, existentially, musically, and artistically in general for TRUTH as it RINGS TO ME.

At least for me, life is tOO beautiful to BE..

CLOSED mindeD.

I AM
FREE
AND OPEN FOR ALL TYPES OF BUSINESS ABOUT BEING HUMAN.


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08 Mar 2014, 12:34 pm

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Everyone has their own experience of reality. So what is it? If everyone's experience is equally valid then is there really a reality? Also, as I've noticed that as time passes, people's memory of events changes to suit the current circumstances. So is what happened real or is it ultimately only subject to interpretation?



Reality is what exists independently of perception or thought. Many people in this thread are referring to, "their" reality. Subjective reality, in this context, is a contradiction in terms.



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09 Mar 2014, 7:50 am

Stannis wrote:
Ann2011 wrote:
Everyone has their own experience of reality. So what is it? If everyone's experience is equally valid then is there really a reality? Also, as I've noticed that as time passes, people's memory of events changes to suit the current circumstances. So is what happened real or is it ultimately only subject to interpretation?



Reality is what exists independently of perception or thought. Many people in this thread are referring to, "their" reality. Subjective reality, in this context, is a contradiction in terms.


Well, in a way that is true but in a way it is not true. While humans of course, even with the aid of our advanced modern science, experience only a tiny portion of the full realm of reality, some humans experience much more of reality than others.

It is like individuals who are blind compared to those who are not.

And it is a well known fact that folks on drugs that enhance perception, perceive and experience more of reality.

But what makes things more confusing is we human beings are capable of creating our own realities, which in fact are illusion and reality too.

But what makes things even more confusing is complex language, collective intelligence, and our fast pace ever changing cultures in effect brainwash us to forget our natural human instincts.

So in other words we all in someways are taught overall to become adverse to who we are naturally, per the evolution of our social animal being.

But the truth is this..

REALITY.. FULLY TRUE REALITY.. IS stranger than any fiction imagined.

While i am no longer allowed to present my ideologies, in monologue, on this here, on this site, as i fully express them, as they are seen as too far out of the norm, I do continue to explore them on my own blog as linked here on a metaphorically and at the same time literally titled blog post called Ninja Stripping.

IF this PG rated link does not interest you please ignore it, or this post as such, but someone in the listening audience might want to get, let's just say, enlightened about the deeper stuff in life, so i continue to share what i can within the limits of the 'law' here on this website, where there are some autistic folks, granted not close to a majority, that think much deeper about life than what might be described as the 'herd' of humans following a made up reality, by others, like blind sheep.

And the fact is many autistic folks like this are reading in the background, but will not subject themselves to what is a 'Lord of the Flies' environment in this forum at times.

ON the other hand almost nothing deters me in life, but i am unlike most folks, in fact, and in TRUE REALITY.

But at any rate here is the link for anyone who has a FULLY open mind, to whatever REALITY IS.

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/03/08 ... stripping/

And from the viewpoint of the my friend above who posted about the truth of the archetypes of the full human being experience in TRUE REALITY, the work of Freud last century on the human archetype is coming to fruition per fuller understanding in modern science.

IT IS more fully explored in the latest issue of DISCOVER magazine if anyone is interested in human archetypes and the modern science behind this.

http://discovermagazine.com/2014/april/ ... xxh4XmppFw

Perhaps ironic is the title:

The Second Coming of Sigmund Freud.

But again, reaLiTy IS stranger than fiction.. and ALL OF THAT... reality.

But i will stop tHere.. here.. before i get too deep for the 'social norm', generAlly speaking, on this website.


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09 Mar 2014, 9:05 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
BTW Ann2011 - I kinda hope I didn't come off too abrasive with that. Didn't mean to bash the thread, just that there's a lot of heat and contention between different groups and hence it's a dicey subject.

Some people can be seeking all their lives and feel like they're maybe gaining clarity on what is isn't and/or getting the general directions to look in but still have miles to go. Other people feel like the ultimate answer can be figured out in five minutes and if their answer is good enough for them it's good enough for anyone.

My own opinion is that Platonic theories of ideas, form, and archetypes have a lot to them. My opinion of course to be taken or left as anyone would wish.


I think I'm the one who is too abrasive.

I studied a bit of Plato in university. I thought the forms were perfection and don't actually exist. I might have this wrong though.

Sorry to be so long replying. Bit of a meltdown over the weekend.

Stannis wrote:
Reality is what exists independently of perception or thought. Many people in this thread are referring to, "their" reality. Subjective reality, in this context, is a contradiction in terms.


So maybe we can never truly know reality?


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09 Mar 2014, 9:43 am

Ann2011 wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
BTW Ann2011 - I kinda hope I didn't come off too abrasive with that. Didn't mean to bash the thread, just that there's a lot of heat and contention between different groups and hence it's a dicey subject.

Some people can be seeking all their lives and feel like they're maybe gaining clarity on what is isn't and/or getting the general directions to look in but still have miles to go. Other people feel like the ultimate answer can be figured out in five minutes and if their answer is good enough for them it's good enough for anyone.

My own opinion is that Platonic theories of ideas, form, and archetypes have a lot to them. My opinion of course to be taken or left as anyone would wish.


I think I'm the one who is too abrasive.

I studied a bit of Plato in university. I thought the forms were perfection and don't actually exist. I might have this wrong though.

Sorry to be so long replying. Bit of a meltdown over the weekend.

Stannis wrote:
Reality is what exists independently of perception or thought. Many people in this thread are referring to, "their" reality. Subjective reality, in this context, is a contradiction in terms.


So maybe we can never truly know reality?


Well, the truth IS we can know much more of reality.

And well, the truth IS some folks WILL;
And some folks WILL NOT.

IT's really not that complicated..

REaLity [email protected]

But the English language does not provide all the tools
to find TrueR reality.

But i try to express it any
way i can to help other folks
simply be free and happy human beings.

That too..is not that complicated..
But OMG! SOME people do WILL to make IT as such..

That is the saddest illusion of ALL
of
REALitY! that I see at least.


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09 Mar 2014, 9:49 am

aghogday wrote:
But the English language does not provide all the tools
to find TrueR reality.

I think too that sometimes people use language to distort and manipulate reality.


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09 Mar 2014, 9:53 am

Ann2011 wrote:
aghogday wrote:
But the English language does not provide all the tools
to find TrueR reality.

I think too that sometimes people use language to distort and manipulate reality.


Yes! this is true 2.

And this IS the crux of the problem in finding reality..

True reality.


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09 Mar 2014, 10:57 am

Ann2011 wrote:
So maybe we can never truly know reality?

There's a couple different types of knowing implied there though.

Knowing that it's not Allah or not Dawkins is working with a broad but shallow brush - ie. its chucking a particular system or claimed lack thereof into the dust bin when certain core axioms break down. That's what I'd consider clarity and that's much more readily attainable.

Knowing the truth in all it's nuance, detail, and breadth, that's what I'd likely have to agree with you on - ie. that no one person would know it just because it's so data intensive and that data is constantly being made at a rate faster than a person could ever take it in.

Somewhere between the two you have people who've scrapped a lot of metaphysical assertions along the way and the remaining ones look enough alike that the amount of available facts to trim those back and their minor contradictions between one another gets increasingly difficult to find. That's much closer to the first than the second in scope because really it's only a few repetitions past the first but I think that's generally it.

As far as Plato - that's actually what also became Kabbalistic/Qabalistic doctrine - that ideas in the mind of God worked their way down through the zones of creation and in various phases fleshed out till they got to the tenth sphere - ie. the place where I rest my arse and the coffee I'm drinking. What sells me on that model is the mystic history it has behind it, ie. people who've gone inward and traveled - whether it's John of the Cross and Theresa of Avila or others certain things seem to be incredibly common, ie. a couple 'dark nights of the soul' and increasingly intense contacts with purer energy which is all encompassing love. Similarly when people study things like the tarot, kabbalah, or do spiritual alchemy they get results within themselves - you could call it long term payoff of placebo or neural networking, even just that aspect pays off wonderfully because such studies and schema can organize your mental wiring much more efficiently but there does seem to be a lot more to all of it and in particular people seem to claim a greater and greater skill with mind-over-matter. Less surprising when one comes to the conclusion that matter really is mind to begin with and so the mind of a conscious self, one small part of the greater One retraces back up it's source and finds the source of it's own power smiling lovingly back at it and willing to work with it as a good parent does a child. That's really where I want to go in my own research and have that grounded more thoroughly rather than having it be an experience I had maybe once or twice and where I never fully got what's expected of me or how to best edify its help in the many forms both male and female that it presents itself.



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09 Mar 2014, 11:56 am

Reality is ineffable description (maybe).


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09 Mar 2014, 12:10 pm

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There is a source, a large blue frog, that everything radiates from.

I thought that was the turquoise toad of creation.


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09 Mar 2014, 1:28 pm

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There is a source, a large blue frog, that everything radiates from.

I thought that was the turquoise toad of creation.

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09 Mar 2014, 1:31 pm

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That's really where I want to go in my own research and have that grounded more thoroughly rather than having it be an experience I had maybe once or twice and where I never fully got what's expected of me or how to best edify its help in the many forms both male and female that it presents itself.


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There is a source, a large blue frog, that everything radiates from.

I thought that was the turquoise toad of creation.


I always feel closer to reality when I smoke marijuana, but this is probably an illusion of brain chemistry.


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09 Mar 2014, 1:40 pm

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There is a source, a large blue frog, that everything radiates from.

I thought that was the turquoise toad of creation.


Here is the toad of creation. All hail the toad.

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09 Mar 2014, 1:47 pm

Must......hail.........toad....................


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