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Corporations and banking interests run america. This thing you call government has been captured by the corporations and banking interests. People keep blaming government for s*** that government does at the behest of corporations and banking interests! Why do you people never blame the freaking corporations and banking interests? Instead of going after corporations and banking interests, you go after.... Government's ability to do anything to mitigate the damage done to the public by corporations and banking interests.

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I made this exact argument years ago in a discussion with AwesomelyGlorious and Master_Pedant,, that conservative stereotypes are just more inherently dislikable than the liberal ones and that accounts for some of the hate gap. The other prong of my argument is that I don't think a lot of liberals give conservatives the good faith that they should, e.g. presuming that someone who opposes a particular welfare program does so because they hate the poor rather than they think it's inefficient or fosters dependency; you'll note my frequent sarcastic reply "so you're psychic now" made to people who do this, overwhelmingly on the left side of the aisle.

Ad hominem fallacy; just because Ayn Rand said something does not make it untrue.

Also, hated by more people that haven't read her work than any other author I can think of.

almost all the media is liberal , except fox, but fox isn't conservative, its more slightly leaning right, I hear conservatives complain about fox all the time.

I don't watch any of the big news media, its so biased and race to get info out even if its not true.
Hollywood doesn't hire conservatives , but If i didn't watch shows what would I watch.

Yes tea party conservatives are very close minded on topics like welfare taxes etc, then you have the religious extremist conservatives who are anti gay and abortions. I am religious, but I was raised by open minded Christians. I am aware of and have meet the closed minded ones, they piss me off.

I don't really like either much, though one attacks my rights, while the other defends it most of the time, so I will generally side with them. I wouldn't want them to have complete control as I wouldn't want the liberals having it either.

if liberals weren't so take away guns, take away 1st amendment, get rid of the 4th amendment. I might be one.
They try to pass laws that won't solve the problem, but make them feel good. then when the problem happens again despite their non solution they simply want to pass more laws that won't help but feel good. They tend to say we won't take your guns, but then come for your guns. If the liberals dropped the anti rights s**t and tried to focus on real solutions I'd probably join them. they don't though so I don't have any political mindset to fall under.

so I simply try to support gay rights, reasonable abortions(I'd never do one) while fighting for my rights to be preserved.

A lesson in irony for liberals.

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals."

Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.

because equating poor people to animals is new

Hey, Ayn Rand, Nietzscheism and the attitudes of the Roman patrician class represent the American way. The attitude primarily requires government to protect the property gained through the exercise of their virtue or will. The elite have always stuck close to government for a reason and Rand, Nietzsche and the Roman elite were all snobs who argued that it was well deserved. How many millionaires in Congress today...?



Except the folks who say liberals are essentially Nazis because "National Socialism was a far left movement". There is no shortage of bomb throwing on either side.

What, even Karl Marx? I somehow doubt that.

i said what i said about ayn rand because the last thing north america needs is the further promotion of narcissism coupled with increasing income inequality based on "personal merit"--because deep down, don't we all acknowledge that some people ARE just better and are worth more than others?

sure we do.

funny, marx i've actually read only because i had to, in college, many moons ago...

3) Ayn Rand
2) Stephanie Meyer
1) Karl Marx

I think most people would agree, two of those are justified.

So Shakespeare isn't good enough for you eh?

Someone send this man for re-education at gunpoint!

Those rules aren't enforced at gunpoint. Unless the USA is worse for that sort of stuff than the UK is.

Of course, the illegality of such things is a great wrong in itself (except perhaps for some forms of gambling, like those machines that exist to eat the money of gambling addicts), but exaggerating to say that behaviour is controlled at gunpoint, well, it makes you look like a shrill.

Misanthropic man-worship ... yeah, that's what it is. Right.

I think you'll find the average rank and file conservative like myself to be quite environmentally conscious BUT in a pragmatic and rational sense. We have to live here but on the other hand we still have to live here, if that makes any sense.


I'm more critical of the GOP than conservatives as a whole but collectively we need work on putting a viable 21st century face on in order to draw in and retain more of the electorate. Keep the core values but cut out the excess baggage and dated image.
I hope you realize that liberalism and the Democratic party could use some image work, too.

Actually, it's so the animals don't associate humans with food so they don't approach people and, you know, try to eat them. Read a book sometime. Your grandpa's forwarded emails don't count.



The media is perceived as "liberal" because they don't want to piss off potential customer bases. You don't maximize your revenue streams by declaring a culture war against an entire consumer demographic. It's the free market at work. Don't tell me you don't like the free market! That would make you a baby-stomping Communazi!

Let me try and explain. I'm not even going to bother to look it up but I assume the US of A has both an active communist and nazi party out there somewhere. Neither party will ever gain any worthwhile acceptance (i.e. votes) because both nazis and communists are immediately associated with oppression, persecution, and genocide because that's simply how they operate when in power. That being the case, they identify with an established party; Republican or Democrat.
To sum it up, the radical right only has conservatives and the radical left only has liberals to dock themselves to in THIS county. I'm not going to stop being a conservaive just because we have some people in white sheets or brown shirts calling themselves conservatives just to become a liberal and associated myself with communists.
Did that make any sense? I'd write a better explanation but I have other threads to deal with.

BTW, in the past three years here in PPR I've come to enjoy the label of evil conservative and all the connotations the left associates with it.
Just call it the "win their hearts and minds or burn their damn huts down" mentality of the Vietnam era and accept that we've been in the hut burning phase for a few years now.

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