The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

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15 Apr 2014, 11:44 am

Free masonry.. that's been around for hundreds of years..is moreover based in sacred geometry and principles of math as the underlying PRINCIPLES OF RULE for THE SUPREME BEING..WHICH IS A PART OF THE PHILOSOPHY OF FREE MASONRY..AS BELIEVING IN A SUPREME BEING..BUT NOT NECESSARILY PART OF ANY ONE religious path to get there..

And the New AGE real ILLUMINATI..PHILOSOPHY..LUCIFERARIAN ENLIGHTENING FOLKS...AS SUCH..

BELIEVE IN REASON AS A PATH IN HARMONY WITH WHATEVER SUPREME BEING one ABSTRACTly DESCRIBES WITH COMPLEX HUMAN LANGUAGE...

AND THE ASSOCIATED OCCULT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH A MATHEMATICAL..ASTRONOMICAL.. AS ABOVE SO BELOW..VERSION OF THE UNIVERSE..WHERE ALL THINGS ARE A FRACTAL OF THE WHOLE...IF YA WILL...

INCLUDING US HUMANS AS STARS OR UNI
VERSE IN FULL EFFECT and AFFECT REFLECTING..

ALLITIS..SUPREME BEING..OR WHATEVER one USES AS ABSTRACT LANGUAGE CONSTRUCT...

TO ARRIVE AT THE ESSENCE OF TRUTH..

IN FULL BEING HUMAN..BEING...AS ONE WITH ALL PHENOMENON OBSERVED AS SUCH...

BUT ONCE ONE arrives at this point..and ACTUALLY FEELS THE CONNECTION OF ONE IN BEING..WITH ALL..

ONE USUALLY..

NEVER EXPERIENCES ANYTHING MUCH ELSE..
THAN BLISS AND FULL CONNECTION TO ALL OTHERS..
COMPRISING..
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ELSE RECOGNIZED..SEEN OR UNSEEN AS SUCH...
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15 Apr 2014, 12:42 pm

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I have a theory that the big bang is from the leftovers of an alternate universe due to a black hole opening up in that alternate universe before then there was just empty space now its filled with what the black hole was sucking in. I know its not some magical invisible skydaddy from a book of fairytales depicting talking snakes and such.


Your theory is cool. I have thought about it myself. Our universe exists as a black hole in another universe etc

I believe the multiverse theory will be proved.



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15 Apr 2014, 2:32 pm

Could have formed from nothing? If so, could revert to nothing.

All of the nothing we know has things popping out of it, then vanishing. We are just a thing.

God is everything you do not understand. Always has been, always will be.

Soil bacteria live a full life, in twelve hours. Darwin kept an earthworm in a glass bowl for forty years, it looked the same, he thought they might be immortal.

Point of view, scale, we are a speck of life vanishing in an instant, or the peak of our kind living a very long life.

We do not discover or invent, all that was always there, we do develop better thoughts, that let us see a bit more of what always was.

The problem and answer are within.



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15 Apr 2014, 8:07 pm

Then there is B9's theory of the origin of the cosmos expressed on that other thread.

That its...you know...recycled grass (if you know what i mean).

The milky way maybe just a big cow pie!



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Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


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16 Apr 2014, 12:00 pm

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Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Without study of pure science there would be no modern medicines, antibiotics, vaccinations, medical equipment or hospitals. Agriculture would also be harvesting much less of low yielding crops while pests ate the majority. So without investment of time in science there would be more people dying of starvation and disease every day.


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16 Apr 2014, 12:09 pm

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Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Without study of pure science there would be no modern medicines, antibiotics, vaccinations, medical equipment or hospitals. Agriculture would also be harvesting much less of low yielding crops while pests ate the majority. So without investment of time in science there would be more people dying of starvation and disease every day.


This has little to do with the study in question. It is hard to justify a study when the end result is nothing.


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16 Apr 2014, 12:14 pm

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Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Without study of pure science there would be no modern medicines, antibiotics, vaccinations, medical equipment or hospitals. Agriculture would also be harvesting much less of low yielding crops while pests ate the majority. So without investment of time in science there would be more people dying of starvation and disease every day.


This has little to do with the study in question. It is hard to justify a study when the end result is nothing.


With pure science the goal is knowledge. It is with this knowledge that technological and other advances are made. There is usually no advance idea of what technical benefits will result from any given scientific study. Without study of quantum physics for example modern day microprocessors wouldn't exist. Without study of atoms and nuclear physics there would be no nuclear power and no radiotherapy. Knowledge of evolution has led to effective medicines for combating various pathogens. Who would expect to get benefits from such arcane science? Pure science comes first, applications come later.


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16 Apr 2014, 12:41 pm

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Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Without study of pure science there would be no modern medicines, antibiotics, vaccinations, medical equipment or hospitals. Agriculture would also be harvesting much less of low yielding crops while pests ate the majority. So without investment of time in science there would be more people dying of starvation and disease every day.

This has little to do with the study in question. It is hard to justify a study when the end result is nothing.

How do you know that the end result is nothing?

It took 13-15 years from the discovery of penicillin (an accident, btw) until it could actually be used in practice.

It took more than 1500 years from the discovery of steam power until it could actually be used in practice.

It took more than 2300 years from the discovery of the helicopter until it could actually be used in practice.

It took more than 4000 years from the discovery of electricity until it could actually be used in practice.

Yet you seem confident that the end result of a study which is only 12 days old is "nothing".

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16 Apr 2014, 1:01 pm

TallyMan wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Without study of pure science there would be no modern medicines, antibiotics, vaccinations, medical equipment or hospitals. Agriculture would also be harvesting much less of low yielding crops while pests ate the majority. So without investment of time in science there would be more people dying of starvation and disease every day.


This has little to do with the study in question. It is hard to justify a study when the end result is nothing.


With pure science the goal is knowledge. It is with this knowledge that technological and other advances are made. There is usually no advance idea of what technical benefits will result from any given scientific study. Without study of quantum physics for example modern day microprocessors wouldn't exist. Without study of atoms and nuclear physics there would be no nuclear power and no radiotherapy. Knowledge of evolution has led to effective medicines for combating various pathogens. Who would expect to get benefits from such arcane science? Pure science comes first, applications come later.


It is clear that you are passionate, yet all these things have a practical application. perhaps you can explain how mathematical nothing at the beginning of the universe can have a practical application.


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16 Apr 2014, 1:14 pm

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Sherlock03 wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Without study of pure science there would be no modern medicines, antibiotics, vaccinations, medical equipment or hospitals. Agriculture would also be harvesting much less of low yielding crops while pests ate the majority. So without investment of time in science there would be more people dying of starvation and disease every day.

This has little to do with the study in question. It is hard to justify a study when the end result is nothing.

How do you know that the end result is nothing?

It took 13-15 years from the discovery of penicillin (an accident, btw) until it could actually be used in practice.

It took more than 1500 years from the discovery of steam power until it could actually be used in practice.

It took more than 2300 years from the discovery of the helicopter until it could actually be used in practice.

It took more than 4000 years from the discovery of electricity until it could actually be used in practice.

Yet you seem confident that the end result of a study which is only 12 days old is "nothing".

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I don't see why you are irritated at me for voicing what is clearly your own opinion. It is an interesting study with no current practical application. Whats wrong with suggesting that we focus on more pressing immediate concerns instead of theoretical disparity?


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16 Apr 2014, 1:18 pm

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Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Not sure what your point is.

The world spends more on the military than it does on 'theories'.

For that matter-the world spends more money on lipstick, beer, and on hyping the Superbowl, than it does on 'theories'. So why single out "theories" ?

But more to the point: knowledge is indivisible.

What could be more practical than seeking wealth (for yourself and others)?

And what quicker way to make the world wealthy could there be than to find a way to make base metals (like lead) into gold?

And thats exactly the quest that the alchemists of old devoted their lives to for 2000 years. The result of the 2000 year quest? NOTHING!

In contrast-what could be more IMpractical than wondering what air is?

The ancients assumed that air was an element- one thing.

Finnally a number of basement do-it-yourself scientists in the 1700's actually did experiments to figure out what air is.

They found that air was a blend of gases -one of which was nitrogen.

Then a centurey later one guy figured out how to turn nitrogen into dynamite, and another guy figured out how to turn nitrogen into fertilzer.

The first discovery lead to all the ordinance of modern warfare, and the deaths of millions. The later made modern agriculture possible-which made feeding you and I possible. So the deaths of millions, and the feeding and clothing of BILLIONS were both made possible because someone wondered what the heck air is. So you cant predict what will result from curiosity no matter how 'impractical' the curiosity may seem.



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16 Apr 2014, 1:20 pm

Sherlock03 wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Without study of pure science there would be no modern medicines, antibiotics, vaccinations, medical equipment or hospitals. Agriculture would also be harvesting much less of low yielding crops while pests ate the majority. So without investment of time in science there would be more people dying of starvation and disease every day.


This has little to do with the study in question. It is hard to justify a study when the end result is nothing.


With pure science the goal is knowledge. It is with this knowledge that technological and other advances are made. There is usually no advance idea of what technical benefits will result from any given scientific study. Without study of quantum physics for example modern day microprocessors wouldn't exist. Without study of atoms and nuclear physics there would be no nuclear power and no radiotherapy. Knowledge of evolution has led to effective medicines for combating various pathogens. Who would expect to get benefits from such arcane science? Pure science comes first, applications come later.


It is clear that you are passionate, yet all these things have a practical application. perhaps you can explain how mathematician nothing at the beginning of the universe can have a practical application.


Perhaps you can explain why understanding quantum theory could have any practical applications? After all it is "just" mathematics; and very obscure mathematics at that. The bottom line is that if physicists / mathematicians figure out the basis of our universe, the physics following on from that could open up countless new technologies and possibilities that were previously undreamed of. I have no idea what they may be; just as previous obscure physics discoveries have opened up new possibilities. As I keep repeating - pure science comes first, and from that knowledge applications and technologies are invented. Without this inquiring spirit we'd still all be living in caves and hunting mammoths with spears.


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16 Apr 2014, 1:22 pm

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I don't see why you are irritated at me for voicing what is clearly your own opinion. It is an interesting study with no current practical application. Whats wrong with suggesting that we focus on more pressing immediate concerns instead of theoretical disparity?

Because if people had heeded such advice in history, this is what the world would look like today:

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16 Apr 2014, 1:26 pm

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Strange to think we could invest so much time and money on theories when fellow humans die of starvation and disease every day.


Not sure what your point is.

The world spends more on the military than it does on 'theories'.

For that matter-the world spends more money on lipstick, beer, and on hyping the Superbowl, than it does on 'theories'. So why single out "theories" ?

But more to the point: knowledge is indivisible.

What could be more practical than seeking wealth (for yourself and others)?

And what quicker way to make the world wealthy could there be than to find a way to make base metals (like lead) into gold?

And thats exactly the quest that the alchemists of old devoted their lives to for 2000 years. The result of the 2000 year quest? NOTHING!

In contrast-what could be more IMpractical than wondering what air is?

The ancients assumed that air was an element- one thing.

Finnally a number of basement do-it-yourself scientists in the 1700's actually did experiments to figure out what air is.

They found that air was a blend of gases -one of which was nitrogen.

Then a centurey later one guy figured out how to turn nitrogen into dynamite, and another guy figured out how to turn nitrogen into fertilzer.

The first discovery lead to all the ordinance of modern warfare, and the deaths of millions. The later made modern agriculture possible-which made feeding you and I possible. So the deaths of millions, and the feeding and clothing of BILLIONS were both made possible because someone wondered what the heck air is. So you cant predict what will result from curiosity no matter how 'impractical' the curiosity may seem.
Well, I believe you answered it yourself. Since scientists, etc are the ones who are most likely to find cures and solutions to practical problems wouldn't it be better if they focused on more pressing issues instead?


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