UKIP-"Gays 10 times more likely to abuse children"

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Remember, If you live in the UK and plan to vote UKIP this coming election these are the sort of views you are empowering.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/06/uk ... d-abusers/

I'm more interested in his methods of forcing Islam to disappear (which he apparently finds necessary). Maybe I just lack the imagination!

Thank goodness even typical UKIP members and supporters find the idea of forcing entire demographics to 'disappear' vile and repugnant.

I'm more interested in making idiotic bigots as a starting point for making people dissapear. How about that?

I'm not sure though; are we dealing with an actual idiot or just somebody who is deliberately inflammatory to win support from a portion of the population?

In times of austerity and economic depression the masses often blame the state and minorities for their hardship. They generally fail to understand that the state is a supporting mechanism of capitalism and it is this economic system that is actually the root cause of the issue. It is so much easier to close the borders of both mind and nation, blame minorities and other states, than it is to actually try to understand the nature of capitalist economics and the alternatives. This era more than any other in human history sharply defines the contradiction of the self interest of nation states vs global capital. In the light of history especially the parallels between the lead up to WW1 and current militarism, I strongly suspect we are headed for another global conflagration. Remember the lead up to WW1 took over 40 years

A lot of people must be working overtime, and trawling back through years of people's Internet histories, to come up with this kind of stuff.

As for the idiot: this kind of stuff obviously isn't party policy (like my personal pro-PVV comments, which definitely aren't party policy!) and I think everyone knows this. We're a small party that takes everyone pretty much on trust. The bigger parties have a lot of people with unpleasant views in them and people who are involved in criminality (there's a huge list of this that applies to officials from all three parties) but they can discount, ignore and manage them better. We're not able to do that.

UKIP is being singled out here in a way that the three other parties (and the Greens) are not. Let them. We will conquer in thirteen days.

You talk as if we want to pull up the drawbridge and blame Poles and Poland and Romania and Romanians for our troubles!

Nothing can be further from the truth.

Eastern Europeans are welcome here, as long as we get to choose who comes and how many.

My thoughts exactly, which worries me a lot. In my area, there are UKIP posters everywhere and they remind me of Nazi propaganda. They copy the exact same tactics - its very creepy.

I'd suggest you haven't actually seen much or any Nazi or neo-Nazi propaganda. It's horrific (though some of the stuff from Arab countries is arguably even worse), and yours is an ignorant comparison.

I suggest you check out some real far-right propaganda for comparison.

UKIP says: we are a party of all colours and creeds. Immigration is a good thing and we are an open country, but we need to be able to control our borders.
Nazis say: X ethnic group (who are full citizens and may well have lived in our country for generations) are inferior should be wiped off the face of the Earth

The issue is if you look at the concurrent theme of UKIP posters, its been surrounding cherrypicking scaepegoats- immigrants, esp from Europe and Islamic world. Even the tories of late haven't been so brazen; preferring to pick on issues surrounding tax and spend.
UKIP's strategem thus far is a wink and a nod towards elements within society who want to move public and parliamentary debate towards introducing the sort of leglisation that parties like the BNP want to see happen.

With the coalition in power, we've seen Cameron goading Milliband away from defending the socialistic policies that most sections of the working class so direly need. How much worse will things get with UKIP in the fray?

You probably cannot see why I literally laughed allowed when I read this. Its kind of like that old chestnut "I'm not racist, but............."

its interesting how everyone who uses that chestnut uses it as a precursor to saying something racist.

UKIP has the fairest immigration policy of any party and it is simple: everyone is treated equally. At the moment, we discriminate in favour of Europeans, that are mainly white.

First of all: proof that UKIP have put out anti-Muslim posters, please. The party has been very careful to avoid talking about that aspect of it. Parties in the Netherlands, Denmark, France, Italy and Switzerland have put out material concerning Islam (some of it is very effective). We haven't.

They aren't scapegoating these people. They are not to blame, alright?

UKIP is blaming the politicians that let all this happen, not the people themselves. It's they that opened the doors, not the people for coming in. If I could achieve a hugely better lifestyle by moving to another country, I would do it. But it's not good for any country for this state of affairs to continue - least of all the likes of Poland or Romania. (I have been advised to visit Romania and have been told it's lovely. Love the sound of the language too.)

Proper far-right parties blame the people. They literally do say they want to kick ethnic minorities out or make dark mutterings towards that end.

We have a number of European nationals who are standing for us this time and my branch (there aren't that many of us!) has a member who is a Romanian national. I wish she'd stood for us, actually - she could have gone far within UKIP. We have other candidates that are Polish and Albanian standing for us elsewhere.



Apart from the Home Office putting out those disgusting "GO HOME!" vans a couple of months ago.



No, it isn't. We disavow and disown those kinds of elements completely, and we don't want racists voting for us. We can't stop them from doing it.

We do sometimes get people wanting to join us (at branch level) who have problematic backgrounds.

Our membership secretary told me about one such fella.

Gets him on the phone. He's very aggressive. Membership secretary asks him if he has any criminal convictions. Says he has one for GBH. Feeling that this prospective member is dubious, he explains to him soon after that UKIP is not a racist party so if he holds racist views he's not welcome. He shouts: "Well, that's no good to me! I'm very racist!" and slams the phone down!

Our UKIP fella sighed and went onto the next call.

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You live in a country that controls its borders.

We in UKIP want pretty much what you have. An Australian points-based system is advocated by us.

Except that isn't the message on your billboards, and as you don't have a manifesto, there is nothing else to go on. The statements made by yourself are not necessarily more representative of UKIP policy than those of the homophobes and racists.

Statements like "26 million Europeans are coming for your job", and pictures of construction workers begging with the caption "British workers are hit hard by unlimited cheap labour" (I know you like to exaggerate, but unlimited? ).

We have two. The 2014 Local manifesto and the European one of the same year.