Egotheism?
02 Mar 2007, 1:31 am
skafather84 wrote:
The Church of Satan draws its name from the mythological and cultural concepts of Satan. Satan stands as the central symbol for many different gods including Ahriman, Loki, Set, Amon, and Belial to name a few. They are all seen as symbolic of the same ideals and archetype. The Church of Satan claims that every individual can be his or her own god and is responsible for his or her own destiny. ("Satan" in their usage denotes a symbol and metaphor rather than a literal anthropomorphic deity.) People who follow this belief system are called "Satanists".
I understand the references to Ahriman (Zoroastrian equivalent of Satan, more properly Angra Mainyu) Loki (unreliable Norse fire demon of unstable allegiance switching between Aesir (gods) and Jotunn (frost-giants) and Set (Osiris' murderous brother the god of storms and the desert; not invariably evil though, helps Re against Apep/Apophis another embodiment of evil, Set was evil to his brother Osiris and nephew Horus) and Belial (Hebrew: "worthless" probably also a play on Ba'al (lord, husband - different words, Adonai and Ish exist for both) like the Be'elzebub/Be'elzeboul joke about "Lord of the Flies" parodying a more flattering title) but since when has Amon/Amun/Amen been considered Satanic? Admittedly some of my fellow Christians might regard all gods perceived as false idols as demons masquerading as deities, but why specifically Amon, the Theban god who became identified with the Sun god Re as Amen-Re? And is the reason for taking the name of Satan because they identify with his defiance of God, making himself his own deity in accordance with the principles of their church (then presumably non existent)? Admittedly tales of his fall draw heavily on Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 which by title at least refer specifically to the King of Babylon and the Prince of Tyre respectively, but using sort of fallen-angel once the wisest most beautiful and potent of God's creations kind of language. Ha Satan "the Accuser, the Adversary," is first (though Belial is used frequently in the casual phrase son of Belial for a thoroughly rotten, foul-tempered sort of person) mentioned by name in Job (a book that seems to raise more questions than answers, but is really cool, if depressing; it mentions Behemoth and Leviathan at some length near the end - do not be fobbed off by any translation that tries to convince you that they are only a hippopotamus and a crocodile or anything - the descriptions do not quite fit). There he (Satan) apparently spends a lot of time wandering the earth, but can still come into God's presence. This whole part of the story is difficult to understand with regard to God's character. The name Lucifer (Latin "bearer of light") appears to be the result of a mistake; the Hebrew of Isaiah translates into "bright morning star, son of the dawn". "Lucifer, son of the morning" in Latin Vulgate and King James' English," apparently drawing upon an obscure Roman figure associated with the planet Venus in its role as morning star. Curiously "bright and morning star" is one of the many titles used of Jesus in Revelation along with Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End etc. And no, I am not trying to draw any conclusions from that last part!
And for you, Quartermass: Fourth Doctor (addressing Sutekh) Your name is abominated in every civilized world, whether that name be Set, Sados or Satan.
The possessed Oud (addressing no one in particular) Some they call him Abaddon, some they call him Crom...
Abaddon is from Revelation; it is the Hebrew or Aramaic equivalent of Greek Apollyon also given there. Both names mean "the Destroyer". In Revelation described as "guardian angel of the bottomless pit/abyss". I think Abaddon may be used in original Exodus (I forget the original Hebrew title of book - I know Exodus is derived from the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament - often rendered as "angel of death" associated with death of first born.
Crom is Gaelic for "stooping, crooked" I think.
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02 Mar 2007, 7:12 am
skafather84 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
What do you think of Egotheism?
Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."
Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.
I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.
This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.
Thoughts?
Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."
Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.
I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.
This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.
Thoughts?
you just describe the church of satan.
I consider myself to be an altruistic hedonist. I enjoy pleasure, but rarely at anyone's expense, and certainly want to help others.
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03 Mar 2007, 7:41 pm
Quatermass wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
What do you think of Egotheism?
Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."
Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.
I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.
This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.
Thoughts?
Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."
Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.
I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.
This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.
Thoughts?
you just describe the church of satan.
I consider myself to be an altruistic hedonist. I enjoy pleasure, but rarely at anyone's expense, and certainly want to help others.
Interesting, though I would have though pleasure by definition was enjoyed (it would not be pleasurable otherwise). I thought a hedonist was more someone for whom pleasure was the highest good (of course this could be your position and you could still be an altruist if you desired to help others - there could be pleasure there anyway, though of course suffering would sometimes be involved)
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03 Mar 2007, 7:50 pm
Quatermass wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
What do you think of Egotheism?
Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."
Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.
I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.
This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.
Thoughts?
Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."
Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.
I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.
This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.
Thoughts?
you just describe the church of satan.
I consider myself to be an altruistic hedonist. I enjoy pleasure, but rarely at anyone's expense, and certainly want to help others.
i consider myself an agnostic altruistic atheist. agnostic because most likely the catholic upbringing i had has brainwashed me from ever being able to fully accept a concept of no god despite my constant moving to this point. altruistic because i don't need a god to tell me to do the right thing and care about what's best for society.
04 Mar 2007, 3:18 am
Skyknight wrote:
The Amon in question might actually be the Canaanite baal Ammon, rather than the Egyptian neter.
Thank you for this suggestion.
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