Should Reason, Rationality and Logic Be the End all Be all?

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You know what I want you to feel safe and welcome.

I may have an idea that I thought of last night. My opinion is to create a particular sub-forum in which at least some of the wrongplanet rules are not enforced and let it be a mad max, beyond thunder dome, type free for all. Everyone in that sub-forum can say what they want and Alex can put up a warning that this sub-forum is not or less moderated or something to that effect. It would be similar to the fight rooms of the days of yore.

Dox, it would be possible for you to have what you desire which is the free flow of ideas. Would you be cool with this?


StarvingArtist, you would be protected from sexism and others misogyny because it would be disallowed in all other areas. Would you be cool with this?

I think we could have a win-win here. If we could create a win-win would everyone be in favor of this?

What do both of you think? You see Dox, I see emotions as a part of the empirical data. I took the StarvingArtist's feelings on this and your feelings on this and turned this raw data into useful information and came up with a solution. Emotions can be used to make decisions and be made part of the raw data that can be transformed into useful information.

If this idea was implemented would you feel safe now Dox? What do you think? Would you be cool with this?

Last edited by cubedemon6073 on 24 May 2014, 7:41 am, edited 3 times in total.

Here's exactly what I'm talking about, you take your feelings from the past and PROJECT them onto me. I never said you were, I said there's a problem that the small minority of genuine problems is overshadowed by reactionary biases that stem from the poor functioning of the human nervous system. I specifically pointed out how men are oppressed by women's emotional feelings on certain things (aka men can't be teachers, or go near children, etc) because of the double standard that is applied in society.

Misogyny is not a well defined term. You could take anything as "misogynistic" or "sexist", and quite frankly people who rile so easily and become morally indignant usually have serious issues they themselves are not aware of.

I have serious doubts you are mature enough to understand that your nervous system is not the end all and be all of reality. There are serious problems with people thinking they know themselves and 'see the facts'. Human reasoning is often poor and has serious issues. See here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

Without emotion, feeling and empathy we would be nothing more than cold, thinking machines with no spice to life.

Logic, objectivity, and rationality is necessary but insufficient

Emotion, feeling and empathy is necessary but insufficient.

How meta.

And here's one half of what I was talking about. Calling someone irrational is a great way to undermine them.

Also, you are being emotional in the sense that you feel attacked but all starvingartist said is that misogyny exists. She never said that you were a misogynist. How can you say her feelings are being projected onto you? She hasn't attacked you personally at all. Where's the projection?

you haven't experienced it--so it doesn't exist?

My guess is that it does, even though I haven't felt it myself. My strategy though is avoidance. If I can see someone is having a rant in L&D I just leave them to it. I've been there, but I dont want to revisit it right now. I guess the nature of a forum is to provide a place for expression. I did see a personal attack on you in another thread which I thought was unacceptable but I don't think it was the result of the femimist issue, but rather a clash of personality.

yeah, i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that i'm a vocal feminist on this site. nothing at all. just my imagination.

I find it's pretty common for people with abrasive personalities to blame other factors for their social clashes, it's a defensive form of cognitive dissonance.

that's laughably ironic coming from you.

Well, I dont know. But I didn't know you are a vocal feminist either.

Do you see me blaming things other than myself for people's responses to me? I'm fully aware of what I'm likely to reap when I sow aggressive and confrontational arguments; you seem to prefer the narrative that you're a martyr to feminism, when the truth is that there are many feminists on WP who don't get the responses you do.

they've learned to shut up more effectively than i have, i guess. you won't silence me, try as you might.

"Silence you"? When have I ever tried to silence you? Is that what you call arguing against you? Not being a mod, I don't have that power, nor have I lobbied for that power to be applied to you. You, on the other hand, have in fact openly attempted to use the mods to silence people who say things you don't like, and are in fact at this very moment attempting a large scale silencing of dissenting voices on WP.
You sure you want to try and bring irony into this discussion? Care to move directly on to projection?

i am trying to get the policy on this site changed so that sexism is dealt with in the same light as racism and other forms of bigotry. this is not equivalent to "silencing dissenting voices"--it is equivalent to silencing sexist hate speech, as racist hate speech has been silenced on this site previously, and homophobic hate speech has been silenced, etc. as they should be silenced--no one has the right to spew hatred and abuse, that is not covered under free speech and we all know this. my intentions are stated very clearly in my OP.

if you can't say "black people are all gang members" on wrongplanet without getting your comment removed and receiving a warning about why such comments are unacceptable, then you can't say "women are all superficial and only want alpha males that abuse them"--the reason being that both such statements are hateful (and inaccurate) generalisations about historically oppressed/disadvantaged populations.

edit* to add: i meant my OP in "the treatment of women on wrongplanet" thread. forgot momentarily which thread i was posting on.

Should sexist posts like this one also be banned:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt231460.html

That particular thread went on for 34 pages without being locked, even though the original post was meaner than most anti-feminist posts that I've seen here.

I recently had one of my threads locked faster than you can make a cup of coffee because the mod thought that it was an example of what you're complaining about. I was comfortable that I'd done my homework and that it was in-bounds:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt258868.html

It seems that they're already doing what you wish fairly zealously.