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31 May 2014, 8:34 am

As this blog confirms, UKIP are about introducing a 'Mc Health service' which is the bane of poor and sick people in the United States. Where your entitlement to treatment is not based on need but on ability to pay.

Next time UKIP or someone who supports them tells you they are friends of the working class, wake up and smell the bullshit.

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31 May 2014, 9:23 am

thomas81 wrote:
Next time UKIP or someone who supports them tells you they are friends of the working class, wake up and smell the bullshit.


UKIP are a rich man's club and no friends of the bottom 10% (or possibly 30%) financially but neither are the far left, the Marxists, the Scargillites, the unwashed UAF types, and the BBC worshippers. They make the working class want to puke. No wonder their result was absolutely appalling in the Euro elections.

In London NO2EU won 3804 votes and was beaten by 12 small parties including the National Liberal Party, Animal Welfare Party, Communities United, and Christian Peoples Alliance. In 1999 The Socialist Labour Party won 19,632 votes (beating the BNP) and Weekly Worker won 846 votes.

In Yorkshire NO2EU won 3807 votes and was beaten by 6 small parties including Yorkshire First. In 1999 the Alliance for Green Socialism won 9554 votes (beating the BNP) and the Socialist Labour Party won 7650 votes.

In the North West NO2EU won 5402 votes and the Socialist Equality Party won 5067 votes and were beaten by 6 small parties including the Pirate Party. In 1999 the Socialist Labour Party won 11,338 votes and Weekly Worker won 878 votes.

No far left or socialist parties contested the North East region despite it having one of the highest proportions of poor and working class people of all regions.

These election results clearly indicate that popular support for far left and socialist parties has fallen considerably since the end of the 20th century - in a year when the economy was reasonably good.



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31 May 2014, 12:34 pm

thomas81 wrote:
As this blog confirms, UKIP are about introducing a 'Mc Health service' which is the bane of poor and sick people in the United States. Where your entitlement to treatment is not based on need but on ability to pay.

Next time UKIP or someone who supports them tells you they are friends of the working class, wake up and smell the bullshit.

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As far as I'm aware, this is Paul's personal opinion. Not that of the party. I'm sure Bill Etheridge MEP and others would quite violently disagree with his assessment! I do believe that the NHS needs a bloody good shake up, mind.

Nice to know you feel threatened by us, though. Thank you very much.

And no surrender. Not now, not ever. For Crown and Ulster. :)



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31 May 2014, 11:04 pm

Oh dear. I really wanted to visit the UK someday. If it's going to implode, maybe I should plan to visit Sweden.



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31 May 2014, 11:24 pm

Tequila wrote:

As far as I'm aware, this is Paul's personal opinion. Not that of the party.


Pull the other one.
UKIP adheres to the same neoliberal orthodoxy as tweedle con, tweedle lab and tweedle lib. The only difference is they will want to up the ante to put clear purple water between them and the tories. All the warning signs are there. UKIP is a ultra reactionary Thatcherite party that subscribes to a mantra of free market = good public=bad. They oppose human rights legislation. they refuse to state any opposition to the TTIP trade deal which is indictive of a indifference towards public ownership of the NHS and nowhere on its manifesto does it specifically promise that the NHS wouldnt be privatised under a UKIP government.
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Nice to know you feel threatened by us, though. Thank you very much.



Whether or not I feel threatened on a personal or political level by Farage is another matter.

I feel threatened by the thought of having to fork out for my medication.

I feel threatened by the idea that i could be turfed out of a hospital for not having insurance.

I feel threatened by the idea that if the worst happens, myself and my loved ones won't get access to necessary medical care.


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31 May 2014, 11:30 pm

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Oh dear. I really wanted to visit the UK someday. If it's going to implode, maybe I should plan to visit Sweden.


If you want to play witness to a case study in how to run a country in a just and empathetic manner in treating your public with respect and dignity, the UK perhaps shouldn't be top of your itinerary right now. If UKIP gets in power you can put a line through it altogether.


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31 May 2014, 11:46 pm

In America the majority of us have health insurance provided by our employers. The elderly and disabled are covered by Medicare. The poorer among us may have access to Medicaid. Military members have access to military hospitals and veterans can receive medical care at VA hospitals. Now that we have the Affordable Care Act even more people have access to health insurance.
I have one question. Does the UK have a written Constitution that guarantees civil rights like the United States? Not only do we have a constitution but the individual states also have constitutions. Of course, the Constitution provides the framework of our government such as separation of powers, a bicameral legislature, and civil rights in the first 10 amendments.



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01 Jun 2014, 3:26 am

No. The UK does not have a written constitution. We have no guaranteed rights whatsoever.



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01 Jun 2014, 3:39 am

Do you think that such guarantees would be acceptable to the people of the UK? But, then federalism may not work for them.



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01 Jun 2014, 7:50 am

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Do you think that such guarantees would be acceptable to the people of the UK? But, then federalism may not work for them.


I am not sure what most people think. But I would say in the UK we have a tendency to be open to change and we try not to set things in stone. So a constitution may not be palatable. We are also a monarchy, and the Queen is head of state, so ultimately she is in charge.



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01 Jun 2014, 10:33 am

Robdemanc wrote:
No. The UK does not have a written constitution. We have no guaranteed rights whatsoever.

This isn't exactly true...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998 for starters



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01 Jun 2014, 11:25 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
No. The UK does not have a written constitution. We have no guaranteed rights whatsoever.

This isn't exactly true...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998 for starters


Its not the same as a constitution.



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01 Jun 2014, 12:34 pm

True. I was more contesting your assertion that we don't have guaranteed rights, although I may have misunderstood your use of "guaranteed".



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01 Jun 2014, 7:12 pm

I see. Our laws are judged if they are constitutional. For example, our income taxes are an amendment to the Constitution. For a state to outlaw the federal income tax would be unconstitutional. Perhaps a country doesn't really need to have written guarantees of civil rights, but it works for us. Because we have no royalty, the President is the head of state. He can only serve two terms.



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02 Jun 2014, 3:19 am

Danimal wrote:
I see. Our laws are judged if they are constitutional. For example, our income taxes are an amendment to the Constitution. For a state to outlaw the federal income tax would be unconstitutional. Perhaps a country doesn't really need to have written guarantees of civil rights, but it works for us. Because we have no royalty, the President is the head of state. He can only serve two terms.


That's another thing I like about the US. In the UK there is nothing but old age and senility to end our PM's reigns.