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27 May 2014, 11:12 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
Inequality:
-The USA has the highest average worker real income in the world.
- ~24 million Americans are in the top 1% wage earners in the world
-Most Americans have higher real income than 2/3 of the world's population
How can wealth be shared away from the average American and Canadian, and to the billions of poorer people of the world ?
-The USA has the highest average worker real income in the world.
- ~24 million Americans are in the top 1% wage earners in the world
-Most Americans have higher real income than 2/3 of the world's population
How can wealth be shared away from the average American and Canadian, and to the billions of poorer people of the world ?
That sure as hell won't happen under global capitalism. Although I don't think an anarchist revolution can't fix all the problems capitalism caused overnight, I could see global wealth eventually evening out a bit. You cannot reform capitalism out of existence, you need to attack core of the economic system; Private Property. Sorry liberals
We develop class conciousness, and after people understand what is going on and what to do about it, we have a global revolution dismantling state after state. Then the capitalists would lose their monopoly over resources people need to survive. The workers liberate the commons in self management, leading to an equitable societies, socially and economically. Which I believe would eventually lead to significant global income equality.
I don't think this can happen if the all the propaganda in the mass media continues to succeed though. If people aren't informed of the sophisticated ways they are manipulated. We can have disastrous unorganized upheavals, that will just replace the old tyranny with a new one.
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27 May 2014, 12:59 pm
RushKing wrote:
That sure as hell won't happen under global capitalism. Although I don't think an anarchist revolution can't fix all the problems capitalism caused overnight, I could see global wealth eventually evening out a bit. You cannot reform capitalism out of existence, you need to attack core of the economic system; Private Property. Sorry liberals
Sorry, Tovarisch, but some inequality is better than everyone standing in breadlines.
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We develop class conciousness, and after people understand what is going on and what to do about it, we have a global revolution dismantling state after state. Then the capitalists would lose their monopoly over resources people need to survive. The workers liberate the commons in self management, leading to an equitable societies, socially and economically. Which I believe would eventually lead to significant global income equality.
That's an interesting fantasy, but on a practical level, very few will support that agenda. People, even those who are very poor, naturally are self-interested and will not willingly give up their property to the State (commune, anarchist council, or whatever else you call your socialist authority).
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27 May 2014, 1:25 pm
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That's an interesting fantasy, but on a practical level, very few will support that agenda. People naturally are self-interested and will not willingly give up their property to the State (commune, anarchist council, or whatever else you call your socialist authority).
You think your computer or your shirt is real private property?
Private property is about plantations, mines, offices and factories. It's about paying dues to a landlord; a person who can be miles away. Private property can only be in the self interest of the owners of society. And even this is debatable because they have to spend so much time controlling the population.
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27 May 2014, 6:35 pm
RushKing wrote:
drh1138 wrote:
That's an interesting fantasy, but on a practical level, very few will support that agenda. People naturally are self-interested and will not willingly give up their property to the State (commune, anarchist council, or whatever else you call your socialist authority).
You think your computer or your shirt is real private property?
Private property is about plantations, mines, offices and factories. It's about paying dues to a landlord; a person who can be miles away. Private property can only be in the self interest of the owners of society. And even this is debatable because they have to spend so much time controlling the population.
What is the revolution for if it requires a vanguard party to survive, and the vanguard party has to become authoritarian in order to protect itself from the remnants of the deposed regime, as well as international capital? How do you prevent this?
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27 May 2014, 7:30 pm
Stannis wrote:
RushKing wrote:
drh1138 wrote:
That's an interesting fantasy, but on a practical level, very few will support that agenda. People naturally are self-interested and will not willingly give up their property to the State (commune, anarchist council, or whatever else you call your socialist authority).
You think your computer or your shirt is real private property?
Private property is about plantations, mines, offices and factories. It's about paying dues to a landlord; a person who can be miles away. Private property can only be in the self interest of the owners of society. And even this is debatable because they have to spend so much time controlling the population.
What is the revolution for if it requires a vanguard party to survive, and the vanguard party has to become authoritarian in order to protect itself from the remnants of the deposed regime, as well as international capital? How do you prevent this?
With well organized militia I believe we can defend ourselves. I am not a pacifist, I believe we have every right to defend ourselves from capitalist forces that wish to re-appropriate commons under our federations. Vanguard parties are counter-revolutionary, because they have never lead to worker control.
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27 May 2014, 7:44 pm
Ah, but didn't Mitt the Plastic Mormon and company tell us all that all that talk about inequality is just us being envious of them? 
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