I'm quitting Atheism
11 Jun 2014, 1:48 pm
Im an athiest i have encountered other athiests that are as*holes but not all of them are, sure I have encountered christians who are as*holes too as well as muslims who are as*holes but just because there are as*holes in my group doesn't mean im going to all of a sudden pick up a religion. I simply don't believe most athiests arent going to out of the blue bring up critisizing religion if religion isn't brought up. Im not one of those athiests that is offended by holidays like Christmas either or is offended by Merry Christmas. I can be fairly radical at times being an athiest online and bring up evolution and disproving religions by debunking the fairytales though.
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11 Jun 2014, 5:25 pm
What can one say?
I'm closer to the atheists than to religious in how I think.
But I'm not a militant missionary for any religion, nor for non religion.
So I dont see the need to stick up for militant atheists.
There are pleasant atheists in the world, but if the one's you've interfaced with were all obnoxious than theyre the one's to blame. Not you.If thats the face of atheism that they present then thats what atheism is to you.And its their fault.
But keep in mind that these obnoxious atheists were all probably traumatized by having religion beaten into them by zealous parents in their growing up. So thats why theyre so zealously anti theistic.
And their zealous parents in turn- probably were zealots because - they were becoming insecure in their beliefs in the face of the modern world- and needed to grab onto their fading faith with a death grip (and took it out on their kids).
11 Jun 2014, 6:22 pm
Theistic evangelism is a battering ram which constantly works to undermine secularism. Without atheists willing to stick their neck out to teach and publicly challenge theistic claims, our society would revert to theocracy pretty quickly, I think. People that criticise atheist teachers should reflect on their roll in keeping theocracy at bay.
11 Jun 2014, 7:08 pm
Stannis wrote:
Theistic evangelism is a battering ram which constantly works to undermine secularism. Without atheists willing to stick their neck out to teach and publicly challenge theistic claims, our society would revert to theocracy pretty quickly, I think. People that criticise atheist teachers should reflect on their roll in keeping theocracy at bay.
"Revert to theocracy"? The West has never been dominated by theocracy, we've always had some separation of church and state.
Secularism has gone hand in hand with exploitative capitalism, consumerism, and the erosion of social institutions such as family life and community. When religious values are marginalized, other values will come to the forefront of public consciousness, and those values are not necessarily better just because they are not religious.
11 Jun 2014, 8:40 pm
I view atheism as a religion. they don't believe in god no but they do blieve in their thoeries.
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
I think one day atheism will be added as a religion.
most atheist I have seen or met have this convert or die mentality. which is similar to how Christianity was and how Islam is today. being as atheist claim to hate such actions i find it annoying many do them in turn. " you god is fake, you must believe and science, evolution, and big bang, these are facts......" some even talk about purging the world of Christians. I really can't stand that just as I can't stand missionaries and religious people who push it. I believe that people should be left to be as they want. most atheist respond to that nope we must educate this stupid people. implying that people who believe differently then them are all stupid idiots. Despite that there are very intelligent Christians and lot of our past scientist were believers.
it is for the constant attacks and convert to atheism die attitude that I dislike atheists. they often seek out and push the conflict.
many people do things and think differently then me. I don't care, that's their life. if it doesn't effect me then I could care less. I won't push my ideas on others.
11 Jun 2014, 9:31 pm
Daedelus1138 wrote:
Revert to theocracy"? The West has never been dominated by theocracy, we've always had some separation of church and state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_roman_empire. Having a theoretical separation between church and state will not stop theist incursions into government policy when they have popular support for doing so. Vocal atheism helps to prevent that support from solidifying. Laws should be enacted to facilitate desired outcomes. Not to conform to some moral framework which considers outcomes irrelevant.
Daedelus1138 wrote:
Secularism has gone hand in hand with exploitative capitalism, consumerism
You're attributing problems caused by the business classes almost total victory over labor interests, to secularism. Economic neoliberalism is a recipe for slavery and the moral and intellectual degradation of the masses, but the reason that so many believe in it is because of propaganda, not because of some secularism induced moral vacuum as you seem to contend.
Daedelus1138 wrote:
, and the erosion of social institutions such as family life and community.
You believe that religion is the only means by which "community" can be promoted? Working class solidarity groups used to do that mass scale too, but most of these have been systematically destroyed over the past century. Unitarian churches carry out a lot of the same social and moral functions as theist churches, but within a secular framework. There are plenty of ways that you can promote community without lying to people.
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When religious values are marginalized, other values will come to the forefront of public consciousness, and those values are not necessarily better just because they are not religious.
Religious values can be absolutely anything. If we accept them dogmatically then we lose our ability to assess them on the outcomes they produce and adapt them accordingly.
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11 Jun 2014, 11:50 pm
sly279 wrote:
I view atheism as a religion. they don't believe in god no but they do blieve in their thoeries.
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
I think one day atheism will be added as a religion.
most atheist I have seen or met have this convert or die mentality. which is similar to how Christianity was and how Islam is today. being as atheist claim to hate such actions i find it annoying many do them in turn. " you god is fake, you must believe and science, evolution, and big bang, these are facts......" some even talk about purging the world of Christians. I really can't stand that just as I can't stand missionaries and religious people who push it. I believe that people should be left to be as they want. most atheist respond to that nope we must educate this stupid people. implying that people who believe differently then them are all stupid idiots. Despite that there are very intelligent Christians and lot of our past scientist were believers.
it is for the constant attacks and convert to atheism die attitude that I dislike atheists. they often seek out and push the conflict.
many people do things and think differently then me. I don't care, that's their life. if it doesn't effect me then I could care less. I won't push my ideas on others.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwwvBygoFA[/youtube]
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
I think one day atheism will be added as a religion.
most atheist I have seen or met have this convert or die mentality. which is similar to how Christianity was and how Islam is today. being as atheist claim to hate such actions i find it annoying many do them in turn. " you god is fake, you must believe and science, evolution, and big bang, these are facts......" some even talk about purging the world of Christians. I really can't stand that just as I can't stand missionaries and religious people who push it. I believe that people should be left to be as they want. most atheist respond to that nope we must educate this stupid people. implying that people who believe differently then them are all stupid idiots. Despite that there are very intelligent Christians and lot of our past scientist were believers.
it is for the constant attacks and convert to atheism die attitude that I dislike atheists. they often seek out and push the conflict.
many people do things and think differently then me. I don't care, that's their life. if it doesn't effect me then I could care less. I won't push my ideas on others.
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12 Jun 2014, 6:00 am
sly279 wrote:
I view atheism as a religion. they don't believe in god no but they do blieve in their thoeries.
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
Atheism isn't a religion, just like theism isn't a religion. Atheists can be religious, but being an atheist doesn't make you religious.
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12 Jun 2014, 6:13 am
thinkinginpictures wrote:
It's not that I disagree with atheists over Evolution.
It's not that I disagree with atheists over the Bible/Criticism of the Bible.
Quite the contrary, I do agree with the atheists on both.
But I don't want to become part of the Atheist community. Actually, I think I'll start defending Christians and perhaps even the Jews and Muslims.
Why?
Because my history of meeting atheists is that they are disgusting, in the sense that they don't talk nice. They are rude.
They are everything, but polite. You don't normally talk like this to people: "You *** idiot, everything you say is BS, and stop wasting my time etc. etc. etc."
90 % of the atheists I've met, are rude this way. Galileo Galliei was said to have been so too. Although one can doubt wether he was an atheist, he did criticise the Church,
and was nearly sentenced to burn on the stake. Actually, I think Galileo Galilei deserved such a fate, if he had been as rude and unpolite as the atheists I've met.
Christians on the other hand, are way more polite and humble. So is my experience, at least.
It's not that I agree with the Christians, at all. It's just easier to have a conversation with someone, who don't call you a BS.
I can handle a stubborn religious nut who, when confronted with the facts of life, says "God works in mysterious ways", but I don't want to be called a BS, with
a single brain cell.
It's not that I disagree with atheists over the Bible/Criticism of the Bible.
Quite the contrary, I do agree with the atheists on both.
But I don't want to become part of the Atheist community. Actually, I think I'll start defending Christians and perhaps even the Jews and Muslims.
Why?
Because my history of meeting atheists is that they are disgusting, in the sense that they don't talk nice. They are rude.
They are everything, but polite. You don't normally talk like this to people: "You *** idiot, everything you say is BS, and stop wasting my time etc. etc. etc."
90 % of the atheists I've met, are rude this way. Galileo Galliei was said to have been so too. Although one can doubt wether he was an atheist, he did criticise the Church,
and was nearly sentenced to burn on the stake. Actually, I think Galileo Galilei deserved such a fate, if he had been as rude and unpolite as the atheists I've met.
Christians on the other hand, are way more polite and humble. So is my experience, at least.
It's not that I agree with the Christians, at all. It's just easier to have a conversation with someone, who don't call you a BS.
I can handle a stubborn religious nut who, when confronted with the facts of life, says "God works in mysterious ways", but I don't want to be called a BS, with
a single brain cell.
You don't quit Atheism....Atheism quits you. :p
Anyway, you get a lot of rude theists too...but for the most part, I agree with you.
Story:
I was recently booted off a religious education forum I won't name, for being too 'outspoken' and a general 'troublemaker' and basically because I didn't fit in and they didn't want 'my kind' there...
A lot of the religious people on the forum were wonderful and I made many friends...
The forum was run by a select group of Atheists, who controlled content according to their combined opinions...go figure.
I have much time for Atheist philosophy, but not Atheists.
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12 Jun 2014, 6:45 am
ruveyn wrote:
It was Christians who passed laws in various states forbidding the teaching of the Theory of Evolution in public schools.
It is Christians who often discriminate against Atheists just because they will not believe and accept the superstition of the Christians.
Considering how Atheists are given short shrift in public discourse and politics by the Believers it is not surprising they are a tad hostile and touchy. Do you really expect an atheist to Turn The Other Cheek?
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^This.
I belong to no anti religious group (other than the sadly defunct WP strident atheists, where did they all go???Tallyman, Keet and Ruveyn seem to be the only remnants of that time - keet of course was not in the group rather an antagonist) However I am openly anti religion and for good reason.
Its bad enough that in a supposed secular and technologically advanced country our deeply religious Prime Minister has cancelled all funding for non religious school counsellors (only counsellors from religious organisations will get funding) without even the meekest of objection from the opposition parties or the press, or that there are areas of the US where to state that I am atheist could get me bashed. There are many countries where due to my lack of belief I would be judged to be "at war with god" and hung from a crane.
Apart from this we have kids in the UK being brainwashed to believe in creation at schools who are funded by the government, not to mention nearly 50% of americans have had their young minds abused to the point that they believe in creation and are deeply suspicious of the scientific method as a result.
Thinkingpictures you cannot denounce being an atheist because your are one, you can however say you are not anti theist, I on the other hand am proudly anti-theist, and as I say above, for good reason.
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12 Jun 2014, 12:55 pm
Stannis wrote:
Daedelus1138 wrote:
You believe that religion is the only means by which "community" can be promoted? Working class solidarity groups used to do that mass scale too,
Marx was firmly committed to the destruction of family life, he viewed it as a product of capitalism that was unnecessary and would disappeared in his socialist utopia. Marxian socialists have continued to denigrate the traditional family ever since.
Labor unions are purely materialistic in their goals: the "community" of labor unions is no substitute for the organic solidarity found in traditional societies and religious groups.. A materialistic worldview does not make for a sufficiently humanistic worldview, as judging by the track record of societies that took Marx to heart.
12 Jun 2014, 1:15 pm
thinkinginpictures wrote:
90 % of the atheists I've met, are rude this way. Galileo Galliei was said to have been so too. Although one can doubt wether he was an atheist, he did criticise the Church, and was nearly sentenced to burn on the stake. Actually, I think Galileo Galilei deserved such a fate, if he had been as rude and unpolite as the atheists I've met.
Burn the rude?
I hope you don't sincerely wish that fate on anybody. I hope that you're simply venting your frustration.
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12 Jun 2014, 1:21 pm
Daedelus1138 wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Daedelus1138 wrote:
You believe that religion is the only means by which "community" can be promoted? Working class solidarity groups used to do that mass scale too,
Marx was firmly committed to the destruction of family life, he viewed it as a product of capitalism that was unnecessary and would disappeared in his socialist utopia. Marxian socialists have continued to denigrate the traditional family ever since.
Labor unions are purely materialistic in their goals: the "community" of labor unions is no substitute for the organic solidarity found in traditional societies and religious groups.. A materialistic worldview does not make for a sufficiently humanistic worldview, as judging by the track record of societies that took Marx to heart.
My late dad had been a union man who was also a family man and had held his religious beliefs seriously. As a matter of fact, people belonging to unions generally have families and are religious. Please don't denigrate the roots the union movement has always had in traditional society.
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13 Jun 2014, 12:00 am
AspieOtaku wrote:
sly279 wrote:
I view atheism as a religion. they don't believe in god no but they do blieve in their thoeries.
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
I think one day atheism will be added as a religion.
most atheist I have seen or met have this convert or die mentality. which is similar to how Christianity was and how Islam is today. being as atheist claim to hate such actions i find it annoying many do them in turn. " you god is fake, you must believe and science, evolution, and big bang, these are facts......" some even talk about purging the world of Christians. I really can't stand that just as I can't stand missionaries and religious people who push it. I believe that people should be left to be as they want. most atheist respond to that nope we must educate this stupid people. implying that people who believe differently then them are all stupid idiots. Despite that there are very intelligent Christians and lot of our past scientist were believers.
it is for the constant attacks and convert to atheism die attitude that I dislike atheists. they often seek out and push the conflict.
many people do things and think differently then me. I don't care, that's their life. if it doesn't effect me then I could care less. I won't push my ideas on others.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwwvBygoFA[/youtube]Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
I think one day atheism will be added as a religion.
most atheist I have seen or met have this convert or die mentality. which is similar to how Christianity was and how Islam is today. being as atheist claim to hate such actions i find it annoying many do them in turn. " you god is fake, you must believe and science, evolution, and big bang, these are facts......" some even talk about purging the world of Christians. I really can't stand that just as I can't stand missionaries and religious people who push it. I believe that people should be left to be as they want. most atheist respond to that nope we must educate this stupid people. implying that people who believe differently then them are all stupid idiots. Despite that there are very intelligent Christians and lot of our past scientist were believers.
it is for the constant attacks and convert to atheism die attitude that I dislike atheists. they often seek out and push the conflict.
many people do things and think differently then me. I don't care, that's their life. if it doesn't effect me then I could care less. I won't push my ideas on others.
i see the point you are trying to make but the video doesnt' really support it. alot of that stuff isn't attacking atheist and most media attacks Christians. and attack from one side doesn't ok an attack from the other or make either attacks less bad.
two wrongs don't make a right.
13 Jun 2014, 12:05 am
The_Walrus wrote:
sly279 wrote:
I view atheism as a religion. they don't believe in god no but they do blieve in their thoeries.
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.
Atheism isn't a religion, just like theism isn't a religion. Atheists can be religious, but being an atheist doesn't make you religious.
might be considered as one in the future given how the trend goes. plus I said i view, which is same as in my opinion.
the ones I have met and seen treat it as one and act the same as extremist Christians or Muslims
if atheism is the disbelief of religion how can any of them be religious?
13 Jun 2014, 12:10 am
sly279 wrote:
i see the point you are trying to make but the video doesnt' really support it. alot of that stuff isn't attacking atheist and most media attacks Christians. and attack from one side doesn't ok an attack from the other or make either attacks less bad.
two wrongs don't make a right.
I interpreted the point of the video to be, that conservative christians are doing to atheists precisely what conservative christians (usually falsely) accuse atheists of doing to christians.
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