Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?

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Curious to see what the state of the board is and whether or not Hillary is losing support

Bernie Sanders seems to be really exciting some people and he's doing surprisingly well in the polls, if you can win Iowa and New Hampshire it is pretty hard for the party to deny you the nomination so it is possible although I think the DNC would put a stop to it. DNC has a bunch DNC superdelegates that can endorse whoever they want so the party has a ton of control over who gets nominated.

Joe Biden I think is probably the more credible candidate, his resume trumps Hillary's easily and he's a likeable person. Does anybody buy Hillary's grandma act? I think Biden could benefit from support from the Obama administration, the Obama's and Clinton's aren't that close. I think in the end Biden might be able to pull ahead when people start thinking of him as a better general election candidate than Hillary which is pretty much her only appeal other than the fact that she's a woman and they want another history making candidate. Hillary's favorables are gone, people think of her as dishonest and there is always non-stop scandal with the Clinton's. The country is ready to move on.

Martin O'Malley you might recognize as Mayor Thomas Carcetti from The Wire is still hanging around in conversations. This is going to be a much more open race than I think polls might of indicated not too long ago.

I'm feelin' the Bern, baby!

I don't know much about Bernie, but what I do know indicates that he might make a reasonably good prez. He seems to have the intelligence Obama lacks, and he doesn't have Hillary's baggage. He might win if Trump runs as a third party candidate and draws the wingnut vote away from Jeb Bush.

Ironically, Jeb needs the wingnuts to win, he can't do so without them, but you're talking about people who believe such things as the Bushes being descended from Nazi spies or being shapeshifting reptilians. The nuts don't like Jeb and are drawn to Trump, but Trump would need moderates and RINOs to win, and he will never get them if he keeps saying that Obama was born in Kenya or that Mexicans are all drug dealers, rapists, and murderers who want to make a quarter of America into "Aztlan".

So, you're setting up a repeat of 1992, where the Reps and Dems are confronted with a third candidate that a certain segment of the population loves but who is too extreme for centrists, and they can't wish the guy away or force him to quit, and he draws support away from the mainstream Rep or Dem ticket and throws the election to the opponent with 40% of the vote.

The thing that concerns me with Bernie getting in is that some of the wingnuts might conclude that "we are one executive order away from losing our freedoms FOREVAR!! !!!1" and decide to go on the warpath. Unlike the mid 90s, we have battle hardened former soldiers who would be willing to teach insurgency tactics to the militias. We have snipers who could pluck off politicians with ease, as at least one right wing novelist has imagined. It could get interesting.

I'm not sure if Bernie can win a general election without Trump. If Trump wins the GOP nomination the party will split apart at the seams and if he doesn't he could just as well run third party.

Hillary's credibility and likability are in question, imho. she has a ton of institutional support but she is a corporate democrat. Her top contributors are mainly investment banks and she wants us to believe that she wants to strengthen financial regulations?

Martin O'Malley is a long shot. His record as mayor of Baltimore can be clearly demonstrated to be a sham. He's a guy who personally profits from systems that do not profit from his involvement.

I doubt Bill Clinton would have won in 92 if not for Perot, who split George HW Bush's vote. You're too young, but I remember it well. Perot initially had the support of large chunks of the electorate, mostly conservatives. They hated Bill and his wife. Bill kept having women coming forward claiming that he'd coerced them into sex, they were dubbed the "bimbo eruptions". Perot was being constantly attacked, ironically by mostly liberals. They wore him down but couldn't get him to quit. He took 19% on election day; Bill was the winner with 44% of the vote, I think it was. The combined Bush-Perot vote was more than Clinton's. Without Perot, Bush would have won. Now, Trump will of course never get the nod from Rep party bosses, so he'll likely strike out on his own, taking the far right wing with him, splitting the vote.

Demographic shifts give the Democrats an edge now and in the future. But they do tend to screw up and alienate people.

Trump is running several races. The GOP needs to be ripped apart at the seams, the Big Business, Christians, Trust Babies, keep the party from having broad appeal.

I live in the half Black South, and Black people do not like Mexicans. They are taking the jobs that used to go to Blacks.

Older Black people remember a time before Democrats helped them, when they had stable families and communities, and much better relations with whites. Their young men were not killing each other, and not in prison. Democrats lead Civil Rights was very hard on Black People.

Illegal aliens are filling the same space where the Blacks lived. They are most impacted.

Blacks also had lock them up and throw away the key dropped on them. Now Obama talks about 40 years for possession of a crack rock being excessive? If not his first term, at least the first year of his second. He should have spoken sooner.

Trump can not only pull votes from Democrats in a general election, Blacks will vote against Mexicans, he can bring new blood into the Republican party.

Even if he loses the election, he can still hold the Republican Party, and Trump Carson lead it would win the next election. Trump's history, he takes over depressed property, and builds something expansive.

The current GOP does not have a single Golf Course or Casino. It has a lot of people who could buy an apartment in a new development.

The Democrats have been so Gay Friendly, Homosexuals no longer have a reason to organize and vote.

The Blue Collar vote would have gone to Archie Bunker, they will vote for Trump.

A lot of the Democrat Base is up for grabs.

You don't think that the republican's southern strategy may have had an influence on that?

i voted for perot. if not for him, i would have voted for clinton.

Bernie Sanders

On the other hand, Hillary Clinton is not only way too arrogant to make a good president, she'll likely do for Democrats what Donald Trump might do for the GOP.

Bernie. Not that I am a socialists but my Autistic self respects anybody non sheep who has actual solutions to the actual most important issues.

Bernie has been drawing some monster crowds on the west coast and has pulled ahead of Hillary in New Hampshire, he leads in several other states as well.

Hillary's email troubles are deepening, if the DOJ wanted to when this is all said and over she could see prison time but that's very unlikely unless this drags into the next administration. She essentially committed the same crime of David Petraeus but Petraeus was a perceived threat rather than ally so I don't expect much out of Obama's DOJ considering how lawless the previous attorney general was. Petraeus was gone easy on as well btw, any one else would of been facing prison time as the Obama administration has taken the most aggressive stance against leaks in American history so lets see how blind justice really is in Obama's America.

There has been a lot of talk about more candidates entering the Democratic race given the weakness of Hillary as a candidate and the scandals she cannot shake, everybody is aware by now that Joe Biden will most likely run but there is still a thirst for more alternatives. Howard Schultz was talked about, liberal billionaire CEO of Starbucks, and recently Al Gore's name has been getting floated around too believe it or not. Clinton, Biden, Gore, what year is this? Also this Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig guy is entering the race has gotten some attention, I have no idea who he is but he's running on campaign finance and electoral reform. Reading Lessig's wikipedia now, he seems really good on internet and copyright issues but he seems to be making his campaign a single issue one and has gone as far to say that he'd resign the presidency once he accomplished the reforms he wants. Doesn't seem like a serious candidate but interested in seeing him on the debate stage, probably would be too much substance for the lot.

Bernie is probably the most honest person running for the White House in either party, and that means something when you've got candidates on either side trying to appear hazy on the facts, or out-and-out contradict former stances. That, and I believe he sincerely cares about people left behind and flattened by the economic steam roller. He's got my vote.

Bernie Sanders has a perverted philosophy that wealth should be transferred from earners to non-earners.

His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.

His supporters openly carry around "Robin Hood" signs acknowledging this.

Supporter 1: "Hey let's go rip off someone with money!".
Supporter 2: "Yeah, thievery is fun! And Bernie makes it sound moral too!"

That's a strong claim. Hillary has extensive experience in a variety of governmental roles. Biden has only been a Senator and a VP.

I wouldn't mind a Biden candidacy at all, but realistically HRC is going to be the nominee. I did somewhat like Chafee, but his campaign is going absolutely nowhere.

Biden served in the US senate from 1973 to 2009 and has been Vice President since. Chaired committees, passed legislation, all that. Hillary was Bill's wife, do nothing senator for 8 years, then a disaster as Secretary of State with scandal all the way thru. Hillary isn't Bill and lacks his political skill and Biden makes up for in spades, personality and temperament wise who is picking Biden? I don't really think it's close to be honest.