TheMachine1
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02 Mar 2007, 1:18 pm
Which I agree with the original posters concerns. When I was obessed with firearms I spent all my money on them. Read and thought about firearms non-stop. When I started Zoloft in 1993 my obession for them disappeared. I sold most the weapons I had. Was no longer an active member of the NRA. Basically I became more like the typical American gun owner.
02 Mar 2007, 1:33 pm
It said that gun violence continues to be a problem in the UK, despite the ban. That's certainly a fact.
E.g. in response to a comment about your "right to bear arms" waffle, you say "What that statement, does not say, speaks volumes", which is so trite and not at all what you then do. What you mean is "What that statement, does not say, I will, because I think they left it out."
How was it waffling? It's my opinion and was offered as such.
Why? The discussion was no longer germane to that thread, so I opened a new one in an appropriate forum. Feel free to continue the original discussion, in that thread.
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02 Mar 2007, 2:06 pm
What that statement, does not say, speaks volumes, it doesn't say "you will only keep arms for hunting squirrels", or "You will only keep arms to repel tyrannical governments" It says:
That seems rather simple to me.
Rather simple to me also.
That means defending ones country from attack.
That means opposition to tyranny.
Clarify; What are you trying to say?
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TheMachine1
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02 Mar 2007, 3:03 pm
What that statement, does not say, speaks volumes, it doesn't say "you will only keep arms for hunting squirrels", or "You will only keep arms to repel tyrannical governments" It says:
That seems rather simple to me.
Rather simple to me also.
That means defending ones country from attack.
That means opposition to tyranny.
Clarify; What are you trying to say?
The 2nd amendment is about maintaining a free America and is not about hunting, target shooting, self-defence, collecting, etc. Consequently thats why all the gun
related crime is irreverent to the disscusion of why people are armed in the US.
02 Mar 2007, 6:53 pm
New Orleans leads the nation in homicide. In pre Katrina times our city of 350,000 discovered 400 bodies a year, but as the Mississippi runs through the city, and we are surrounded by gator infested swamps, the true count is two of three times that.
That is only one out of 300 per year, one out of 30 per decade.
Numbers lie, most of the killing goes on in a few neighborhoods. Are we concerned? No.
Most of the 400 added to prior year totals. Do we miss them? No.
Should we track them down, and spend several million locking them up for life? Why bother.
Every decade removes 12,000 people. Perhaps ten of them concern us.
Shooting victumes are hardly ever found with a gun, recycling works.
Nationwide perhaps 25,000 are known murdered. Hundreds of people are arrested and sent to jail. Here numbers do not lie, every decade 250,000 get away with murder. As they live long, perhaps a million in the US, 1-300. Smarter killers arrange accidents, many more people just vanish. Include these in the murder rate, times time, and maybe 1-100 has offed someone.
As people tend to gravitate to their own kind, and murder is a relationship thing, mostly it would seem they kill each other. In this background the killing of strangers stands out, when non-players start showing up dead, the killers are hunted. We have a fair track record of catching them, even if it takes many years, for they do leave a trail, and each body rules out some of the people being watched.
Foolish ideas like getting tough on crime sent eighteen year old's to prison for twenty years with no parole. 600,000 a year are being released now. They have well developed social skills, just the wrong ones, and we have no idea of their style, and being gone, they have no natural enemies.
They have no problem getting guns, no problem using them, and having lost twenty years over a crack rock, resent living witnesses. Unlike thugs of prior eras, these are well trained, know how to blend in, con christians, shrinks, and game the system, they all have Doctorates.
Now you think the problem can be solved by me having understanding and forgivness?
I do not support Gun Nuts, two fully automatic weapons is enough. There is no need for a handgun outside of the home, car, place of business, or waistband.
If you would just love one another, read your bible, hold hands and sing the praises of jesus they will find love in their hearts.
Now I have to go polish some clip ramps with valve grinding compound.
