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16 Aug 2014, 10:13 am

You know what is "America bashing?" Deliberately destabilizing our economy in order to make political brownie points as this Congress has repeatedly done since Obama took office. Corporations moving jobs to third world countries and giving American jobs to those countries instead of paying American workers for the value of their labor. Hiding income in foreign financial establishments in order to avoid paying taxes in the country where the money is made. All anti American. All American bashing. Sabotaging our political system for personal gain. Attempts at secession by anti American states. All America bashing. Pointing out flaws in our systems is NOT "bashing America."

Trying to guilt trip people into not exercising their 1st Amendment rights to speak out against flaws with our country (by accusing them of "America bashing"),... now THAT is anti-American.



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16 Aug 2014, 10:53 am

khaoz wrote:
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Well, things would be way worse if the Soviets/Communists or the Nazis are ruling the world now; I give you that.


Some liberals compared Bush Administration to the Third Reich or the Sith.
I got a kick out of that. :D


And Conservatives, especially Tea Party idiots, routinely have pictures of Obama portrayed as Hitler. Obama is always called a Socialist by people who would have a bullet in their ear by now if Obama actually were a Socialist


I dont know, I think this \/
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is much more scathing than this \/
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16 Aug 2014, 11:01 am

^Thats because you have a hat just like that in your closet.


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16 Aug 2014, 11:32 am

/\ No, mine has the "German pirate" emblem. :D


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16 Aug 2014, 12:10 pm

Well if there is going to be all that starvation and freezing without petroleum they had really better start investing in finding an alternative, since either way it is going to run out beings its not a renewable resource. But i guess it is better to fight over that limited resource then try to find viable alternatives.....hemp is already one thing that could replace 'petroleum' for a lot of things...like packaging could be made of it rather than petroleum containing plastic. All it really has going for it is it happens to be an industry, thus people can make money working in it.....but something else could become an industry that replaces it and the jobs it provides. So yeah I can see why the rest of the world might not like our obsession with harvesting all of the oil the earth has in it....without even considering alternatives or what to do when it runs out.


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16 Aug 2014, 12:19 pm

khaoz wrote:
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Well, things would be way worse if the Soviets/Communists or the Nazis are ruling the world now; I give you that.


Some liberals compared Bush Administration to the Third Reich or the Sith.
I got a kick out of that. :D


And Conservatives, especially Tea Party idiots, routinely have pictures of Obama portrayed as Hitler. Obama is always called a Socialist by people who would have a bullet in their ear by now if Obama actually were a Socialist


I sort of disagree, there is nothing about socialism that suggests people should have bullets in their ear for having opinions even if they are stupid ones. Now if it was a toltalitarian dictatorship with socialist features maybe.....but socialism itself is really just collective ownership of the means of production/resources and goods.....such a system can work quite nicely if its some sort of democracy where the people have a say....some places in the past have had dictatorships, government controlling all resources/means of production and goods while heavily oppressing the people, the oppression factor is the problem not the socialism.

If this was a socialism, we'd probably have universal healthcare and no health insurance companies anymore.....but probably not a mass amount of people getting bullets in their ears.


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16 Aug 2014, 3:49 pm

At the OP

Perhaps it hasnt occured to you the rest of the world is sick of being bashed by America?


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16 Aug 2014, 6:27 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Well, things would be way worse if the Soviets/Communists or the Nazis are ruling the world now; I give you that.


Some liberals compared Bush Administration to the Third Reich or the Sith.
I got a kick out of that. :D


And Conservatives, especially Tea Party idiots, routinely have pictures of Obama portrayed as Hitler. Obama is always called a Socialist by people who would have a bullet in their ear by now if Obama actually were a Socialist


I sort of disagree, there is nothing about socialism that suggests people should have bullets in their ear for having opinions even if they are stupid ones. Now if it was a toltalitarian dictatorship with socialist features maybe.....but socialism itself is really just collective ownership of the means of production/resources and goods.....such a system can work quite nicely if its some sort of democracy where the people have a say....some places in the past have had dictatorships, government controlling all resources/means of production and goods while heavily oppressing the people, the oppression factor is the problem not the socialism.

If this was a socialism, we'd probably have universal healthcare and no health insurance companies anymore.....but probably not a mass amount of people getting bullets in their ears.


Socialism, no.

But Marxist communism itself BREEDS dictators, it is in its very manifesto.



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16 Aug 2014, 6:53 pm

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Perhaps it hasnt occured to you the rest of the world is sick of being bashed by America?



Nicely put


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16 Aug 2014, 7:21 pm

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The most widely spoken second language on the planet is English.


I think that has more to do with America's cultural and economic dominance than it's virtue. You need to speak English to survive no matter where you live. If anything it would be another excuse someone could use to bash America.



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16 Aug 2014, 7:29 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Well, things would be way worse if the Soviets/Communists or the Nazis are ruling the world now; I give you that.


Some liberals compared Bush Administration to the Third Reich or the Sith.
I got a kick out of that. :D


And Conservatives, especially Tea Party idiots, routinely have pictures of Obama portrayed as Hitler. Obama is always called a Socialist by people who would have a bullet in their ear by now if Obama actually were a Socialist


I sort of disagree, there is nothing about socialism that suggests people should have bullets in their ear for having opinions even if they are stupid ones. Now if it was a toltalitarian dictatorship with socialist features maybe.....but socialism itself is really just collective ownership of the means of production/resources and goods.....such a system can work quite nicely if its some sort of democracy where the people have a say....some places in the past have had dictatorships, government controlling all resources/means of production and goods while heavily oppressing the people, the oppression factor is the problem not the socialism.

If this was a socialism, we'd probably have universal healthcare and no health insurance companies anymore.....but probably not a mass amount of people getting bullets in their ears.


Socialism, no.

But Marxist communism itself BREEDS dictators, it is in its very manifesto.


Not sure it exactly promotes the idea of dictatorship specifically and directly, but from what I have heard some of the ideas Marx had about how to get to 'communism' are not things I agree with, especially that it leaves room for the dictatorship and totalitarian system...so yes I know there are flaws in that but Marx never had the patent on communism....so his ideas on it are not the end all, be all of communism.


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17 Aug 2014, 4:00 am

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The most widely spoken second language on the planet is English.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... %20English


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17 Aug 2014, 6:36 am

I'm not an american, but I feel you. The problem isn't american people, it never was. It sure has some funny figures who think they are the in the top because of the pop world but thats not the case.

The whole problem is... you willed to believe or not. America was MADE to be what it is... there was a time where some people in the early evolution history though america was going to be the land of freedom and justice and equality but this didn't took long since was fated to be a great potential with influential economics and a huge well armed army. The powers of this word.. banksters, christians and jews made america their fighting soldier for their objectives... Go and research and you will see it's not the nations fault, it's the political/banks/corps who runs it... The population is just in the crossfire.

USA has its good values created by a portion of true good nation people like it has in every country, so remember that and don't get mad when the world gets to hate it. There is nothing to be done besides creating a better tomorrow for you country, free from The Power That Be who uses it as scapegoat for their massive murders in their greed quest for power.


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17 Aug 2014, 7:43 am

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I don't really understand the anti-American vitriol on this site. Frankly, I am frustrated with it.
First of all, I am the first to recognize that my country is not a paradise. It never claimed to be. Every country has its issues. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were never widely popular here. We would never engaged in these wars had we not been attacked by cowardly terrorists who devastated lower Manhattan and the Pentagon. We were dragged into two world wars we wanted no part because Europeans couldn't seem to play nice with each other. I would also remind you, gentle readers, that Iraq possesses the second largest oil reserves in the Middle East. If Iraq's major export was tulip bulbs, I guarantee you that we would never have invaded. We don't import much oil from the Persian Gulf. We already pump lots of our own plus import from Canada and Mexico. Our allies do import a lot of oil from the Middle East. Before anyone starts moralizing about petroleum, let us face one fact. Without petroleum the world economy would come to a complete halt. Millions would starve, freeze, and die. Billions of people would die, in fact.
We are not an empire. America is fifty states and commonwealths bound together by a common culture and a common language. We take millions of immigrants and turn them into Americans. What other country does that? We have taken millions of destitute immigrants from every country in Europe as well as Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Our overseas possessions only consist of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and Western Samoa. Hardly an empire. However, several European countries had vast overseas empires and were known for their brutality towards the people they ruled. Japan tried to create an empire by force as did Germany.
Obviously, a lot of you non-Americans love our culture. There are Disneylands in France and Japan. Japanese play baseball. The most widely spoken second language on the planet is English. There's a McDonald's right across from the Pantheon in Rome. Our movies and television shows are watched globally.
We have advanced far in civil rights. When I was born, the Civil Rights Act was passed. Today, America has an African-American president. Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder up to 1973. Today, samesex marriage is soon to be legal nationwide. We have hundreds of thousands of people who dress in 19th century clothes and speak a German dialect. We leave the Amish alone and respect their different culture.
We have outstanding colleges and universities. Students flock from all over the world to attend our universities.
Like it or not, we aren't going away anytime soon.



People risk their lives and fortunes to come to our country. Switzerland is a much cleaner and quieter nations but I do not see masses of suffering humanity risk it all to get to Switzerlan.



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17 Aug 2014, 11:40 am

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People risk their lives and fortunes to come to our country. Switzerland is a much cleaner and quieter nations but I do not see masses of suffering humanity risk it all to get to Switzerlan.


Well, 23% of the people are resident foreigners. I don't know how easy it is for those people to get actual Swiss citizenship though.



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17 Aug 2014, 2:06 pm

seaturtleisland wrote:
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The most widely spoken second language on the planet is English.


I think that has more to do with America's cultural and economic dominance than it's virtue.

I think it has more to do with the legacy of the British empire, particularly in the Indian subcontinent. However, it is probably due to the USA's economic power than Chinese students are so keen to learn English.
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People risk their lives and fortunes to come to our country. Switzerland is a much cleaner and quieter nations but I do not see masses of suffering humanity risk it all to get to Switzerlan.

I don't see masses of suffering humanity risking it all to get to Iowa.

Switzerland is land locked in the middle of Europe. Immigrants to Europe tend to settle in Mediterranean countries because those are the countries are the easiest to physically get to; the slightly richer will travel to France, Germany or the UK.

The assertion made by the OP and repeated by you that the USA is the only country that welcomes or can attract immigrants has little or no basis in fact.