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13 Sep 2014, 6:20 pm

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Danes I've talked to hate it. That's why they moved to the U.S.!


I found this article about young people leaving Denmark because of the high taxes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/busin ... .html?_r=0

The article is from 2007, however, it says "The problem, employers and economists believe, has a lot to do with the 63 percent marginal tax rate paid by top earners in Denmark ? a level that hits anyone making more than 360,000 Danish kroner, or about $70,000".

63% rate for people making a mere $70,000. OMG! 8O

It is sad that this Danish software engineer had to move to Germany to escape the taxes, and now he says his kids won't learn to speak Danish, so he is abandoning his homeland. On the flip side, I am sure the very poor are flooding into Denmark to get on the welfare gravy train.

And on top of the 63% rate, the country has huge debts that it probably never intends to repay.



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15 Sep 2014, 7:35 am

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And on top of the 63% rate, the country has huge debts that it probably never intends to repay.


Just for the record, the government of Denmark is owed significantly more money by foreign governments than the total amount of debt on the books.


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15 Sep 2014, 2:55 pm

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What is WP's opinion on taxation?

I am somewhat ignorant about what taxes are I admit, but I think the laws in the United States need to be updated and reformed. How low of a tax rate is too low?


If you wish to understand taxation, one thing you'll need to understand is that inflation IS (also) a tax.



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15 Sep 2014, 7:42 pm

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Being a tax accountant, I can state that the Internal Revenue Code is 73,954 pages long and goes through 5,000 changes in a give year. The tax profession is a racket because of it. Does that explain why we need to simplify it?


You're a tax accountant now?!?!?!


Have been for years. Air Force reservists do have full time civilian careers as well. What the hell do you other than spew socialist propaganda?


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15 Sep 2014, 8:40 pm

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Being a tax accountant, I can state that the Internal Revenue Code is 73,954 pages long and goes through 5,000 changes in a give year. The tax profession is a racket because of it. Does that explain why we need to simplify it?


You're a tax accountant now?!?!?!


Have been for years. Air Force reservists do have full time civilian careers as well. What the hell do you other than spew socialist propaganda?


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16 Sep 2014, 1:27 pm

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I like knowing that most residences where I live pay $5,000 - $15,000 per year in property taxes. This means that the residents will care about the city. Also, property taxes separate people by income class, so the middle class does not have to live among the poor class.


Is this last bit supposed to be a good thing? Sounds like stuck up B.S to me, but never have been a fan of income divide, class division or anything that bases peoples worth on how much money/assets they happen to have. Poor people never care about their cities :roll:


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16 Sep 2014, 3:55 pm

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I like knowing that most residences where I live pay $5,000 - $15,000 per year in property taxes. This means that the residents will care about the city. Also, property taxes separate people by income class, so the middle class does not have to live among the poor class.


Is this last bit supposed to be a good thing? Sounds like stuck up B.S to me, but never have been a fan of income divide, class division or anything that bases peoples worth on how much money/assets they happen to have. Poor people never care about their cities :roll:


I am in absolute agreement with you. Division, whether it's based on social/economic class, race, or any other reason invariably reinforces inescapable second class standing for the disadvantaged class.


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16 Sep 2014, 4:08 pm

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I like knowing that most residences where I live pay $5,000 - $15,000 per year in property taxes. This means that the residents will care about the city. Also, property taxes separate people by income class, so the middle class does not have to live among the poor class.


Is this last bit supposed to be a good thing? Sounds like stuck up B.S to me, but never have been a fan of income divide, class division or anything that bases peoples worth on how much money/assets they happen to have. Poor people never care about their cities :roll:


Yes, it is a good thing. Home prices and property taxes keep poorer people out of neighborhoods that they cannot afford. Also, I never said poor people never care about their city. Some do , and some don't. High home prices / high property taxes ensure that the resident will likely be someone who does.

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I am in absolute agreement with you. Division, whether it's based on social/economic class, race, or any other reason invariably reinforces inescapable second class standing for the disadvantaged class.


Assume someone just got out of prison for murder after 25 years, how do propose to make the person equal to say a lawyer who has been saving / investing money for 25 years ? They should have the same home, and live in the same neighborhood ?

What if a "meth addict" spend all his money on "meth", how do you propose to make him equal ?

What if someone spent his life savings on gambling (stock market day trader or in a casino) , how do you propose to make him equal ?

What if someone was mentally ill and could not work, how do you propose to make him equal ?



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16 Sep 2014, 4:27 pm

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LoveNotHate wrote:
I like knowing that most residences where I live pay $5,000 - $15,000 per year in property taxes. This means that the residents will care about the city. Also, property taxes separate people by income class, so the middle class does not have to live among the poor class.


Is this last bit supposed to be a good thing? Sounds like stuck up B.S to me, but never have been a fan of income divide, class division or anything that bases peoples worth on how much money/assets they happen to have. Poor people never care about their cities :roll:


Yes, it is a good thing. Home prices and property taxes keep poorer people out of neighborhoods that they cannot afford. Also, I never said poor people never care about their city. Some do , and some don't. High home prices / high property taxes ensure that the resident will likely be someone who does.

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I am in absolute agreement with you. Division, whether it's based on social/economic class, race, or any other reason invariably reinforces inescapable second class standing for the disadvantaged class.


Assume someone just got out of prison for murder after 25 years, how do propose to make the person equal to say a lawyer who has been saving / investing money for 25 years ? They should have the same home, and live in the same neighborhood ?

What if a "meth addict" spend all his money on "meth", how do you propose to make him equal ?

What if someone spent his life savings on gambling (stock market day trader or in a casino) , how do you propose to make him equal ?

What if someone was mentally ill and could not work, how do you propose to make him equal ?


That ex con, as well as the meth addict, the degenerate gambler, and the mentally ill person are equal to that lawyer in the eyes of the law and in the voting booth. Racial segregation when practiced had demonstrated how the out group lost all those rights, despite the fact that such rights were written in the constitution and all the law books. Such class division makes one group socially and politically inferior to another, and that is completely anathema to the American ideal.
By the way, there are also wealthy and middle class people who are mentally ill, had spent time in prison, and have gambling or substance abuse problems, but have been held up by family or other support groups. Are these people to be cast into a lower caste?


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16 Sep 2014, 4:32 pm

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Are these people to be cast into a lower caste?


That was my question that you did not answer.

Presently, these people are in a "lower caste" , economically. I asked you prior how do you propose to make them equal to people who saved and invested ?



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16 Sep 2014, 5:49 pm

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Are these people to be cast into a lower caste?


That was my question that you did not answer.

Presently, these people are in a "lower caste" , economically. I asked you prior how do you propose to make them equal to people who saved and invested ?


What, economically? No, of course not, other than to give poor people the same opportunities to raise themselves up. But in all matters of having equal rights before the law, and an equal voice, as well as being able to eat, shop, or live where ever they like, that should not be interfered with to any extent. Segregating people for any reason will endanger those rights, and put them into an inferior caste/class.


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17 Sep 2014, 2:09 am

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I like knowing that most residences where I live pay $5,000 - $15,000 per year in property taxes. This means that the residents will care about the city. Also, property taxes separate people by income class, so the middle class does not have to live among the poor class.


Is this last bit supposed to be a good thing? Sounds like stuck up B.S to me, but never have been a fan of income divide, class division or anything that bases peoples worth on how much money/assets they happen to have. Poor people never care about their cities :roll:


Yes, it is a good thing. Home prices and property taxes keep poorer people out of neighborhoods that they cannot afford. Also, I never said poor people never care about their city. Some do , and some don't. High home prices / high property taxes ensure that the resident will likely be someone who does.

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I am in absolute agreement with you. Division, whether it's based on social/economic class, race, or any other reason invariably reinforces inescapable second class standing for the disadvantaged class.


Assume someone just got out of prison for murder after 25 years, how do propose to make the person equal to say a lawyer who has been saving / investing money for 25 years ? They should have the same home, and live in the same neighborhood ?

What if a "meth addict" spend all his money on "meth", how do you propose to make him equal ?

What if someone spent his life savings on gambling (stock market day trader or in a casino) , how do you propose to make him equal ?

What if someone was mentally ill and could not work, how do you propose to make him equal ?


You can see it as a good thing all you want but I see nothing good coming from keeping people divided on the basis of income and class division, since it just promotes conflict among the population.

Also equal is a very vauge term for the way you are using it....


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17 Sep 2014, 2:12 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Are these people to be cast into a lower caste?


That was my question that you did not answer.

Presently, these people are in a "lower caste" , economically. I asked you prior how do you propose to make them equal to people who saved and invested ?

Equal in what way, people with less income or who are mentally ill and cannot work obviously are still equal citizens entitled to the same rights? Still equal as far as being humans....as for economic inequality I like the idea of communism, not the totalitarian pseudo-communism however, but one of those things that wont happen the economic inequality will just continue, keep the people divided and well yeah more likely than the communism thing taking place.

So a small % of people who control most of the worlds wealth and goods get to continue living the high life, as the pigs they are.


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17 Sep 2014, 6:41 am

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Yes, it is a good thing. Home prices and property taxes keep poorer people out of neighborhoods that they cannot afford. Also, I never said poor people never care about their city. Some do , and some don't. High home prices / high property taxes ensure that the resident will likely be someone who does.


Keeping out the inferior people? Those not worthy of gracing your doorstep but should only knock at the servants entrance in the back? Why not just call for a division based on the feudal system. Put those serfs back in their place.[/quote]


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17 Sep 2014, 8:28 am

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Keeping out the inferior people? Those not worthy of gracing your doorstep but should only knock at the servants entrance in the back? Why not just call for a division based on the feudal system. Put those serfs back in their place.


I never said the people are "inferior".

In America, if you don't come up with the property tax money every year, then the city government will take your home, so property taxes are a way of keeping poor people out of neighborhoods.

For example, woman missed on property tax payment, and city proceeds to take her home.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/1 ... -for-home#



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17 Sep 2014, 8:30 am

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sonofghandi wrote:
Keeping out the inferior people? Those not worthy of gracing your doorstep but should only knock at the servants entrance in the back? Why not just call for a division based on the feudal system. Put those serfs back in their place.


I never said the people are "inferior".

In America, if you don't come up with the property tax money every year, then the city will take your home, so property taxes are a way of keeping poor people out of neighborhoods.


^How is that not seeing poor people as inferior?


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