God does nor exist nor do gods exist!
See, I find it quite hilarious that you start this thread to spread all this nonsensical propoganda, then when someone comes and asks you to back it all up with the "facts" and "evidence" you claim to have, all you do is post YouTube videos of the same logical fallacies I outlined in my post plus a comedy routine from a dead guy. I have yet to see these "facts" or "evidence" that you speak of, and you have yet to refute (or for that matter, even address) anything I have said thus far. What's the matter? Can't stand "the big guns"? If you can't take the heat, don't start posting threads like this
Have you tried praying? Ever notice nothing happens?
How about we do this, lets round up a bunch of religious folks in one room and non religious folks in another room, both groups are to take an exam, multiple choice if it were, the non religious folks get time to study prior to the exam while the religious folks rely on prayer, after that check the results and you might be shocked that the religious folks didn't do so well in the exam.
You do also realize that humans weren't made from mud and ribs correct? It has been proven time and time again via genetic data and the fossil record that we share a common ancestor with the chimpanzee. The Earth has also been proven via potassium argon dating and not carbon dating to be 4.5 billion years old. Noah's flood never happened otherwise all redwood trees still alive that predate the event the flood took place would not survive. Humans have been around tens of thousands of years prior to the bible and were hunters and gatherers it was then, when religion was thought up to try and explain the unexplainable before the concept of science. Religion has created stories to try and explain the un discovered and un explained using fairy tails and has kept people in fear of making discoveries and such. Science has disproven the many tall tales religion has provided like the ancient belief that if you travel far enough across the ocean you will fall over the edge of the earth but new lands were discovered. Space exploration has allowed us to observe that the Earth is indeed round and not flat also that the Earth revolves around the son and not the other way around. We have also discovered that we may not be alone in this universe and have found at least a dozen Earth like planets in our galaxy alone.
All gods are are concepts nobody has seen one and nobody will, nobody has physically felt one or has heard their voice unless they are hallucinating. There is no after life either, those who claim to be in another plane of existence upon near or temporary death experienced hallucinations due to lack of oxygen to the brain. If gods are real how come they seem to be made up when humans came to rise and not before that? If gods are eternal and want devoted followers then why the billions of years of nothing and maybe a few hundred million years of non human organisms that in no way shape or form have any religious affiliation? No shrines made by animals nothing! Religion is human made and gods are not eternal only made up.
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Um, going to have to disagree with you on this. I've prayed before and good things have happened, such as my health improving in a dire situation along with my parents.
Why is it that you have to go into every topic and basically bash everyone who believes in God? Seriously, I don't go into topics bashing people for being atheists or what have you. It's called tolerance, learn to accept that some people believe in God, some don't and some believe in whatever. /rant
I never studied for my exams in high school and got 80 and 90s, so am I in the category of the "religious folks didn't do so well"? I didn't pray either.
Also, you do realize people can believe in God and believe in evolution, right? Hell, even Pope Francis basically stated that he believes evolution happened if you payed attention to what he's been saying since he became Pope. I'm a Catholic and I believe in evolution, I see no contradictions.
Um, going to have to disagree with you on this. I've prayed before and good things have happened, such as my health improving in a dire situation along with my parents.
Why is it that you have to go into every topic and basically bash everyone who believes in God? Seriously, I don't go into topics bashing people for being atheists or what have you. It's called tolerance, learn to accept that some people believe in God, some don't and some believe in whatever. /rant
I never studied for my exams in high school and got 80 and 90s, so am I in the category of the "religious folks didn't do so well"? I didn't pray either.
Also, you do realize people can believe in God and believe in evolution, right? Hell, even Pope Francis basically stated that he believes evolution happened if you payed attention to what he's been saying since he became Pope. I'm a Catholic and I believe in evolution, I see no contradictions.
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...that said, science can't disprove 'god' anymore than one can prove I don't have a magical Nissan Bluebird in my garage.
You can't prove a negative. You can only fail to find evidence to support a positive.
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
I find it inherently childish that people believe in all these stories from antiquity, and then defend their belief with "prove god does not exist".
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Case in point: Genesis 1 creates light and dark before the Earth! Then on the second "day", he creates the sky! It isn't until day three that he creates the ground. The universe (at least, using Google) is 13.8 billion years old. The Age of Earth) is 4.54 billion years old. That leaves a gap of roughly (and I say "roughly" because the base numbers are estimates, but I digress) 9.26 billion years. That's a very long two days now isn't it??? Divide it by two, and we're left with 4.63 billion years for each Bible "day". But that would mean we're only in day three, which is where this next point comes into play:
(And just a note: while those two points above aren't said in any church doctrine to date, I aim to change that )
^^ God says let there be light before he creates the Earth and the stars? How can there be light before hand? Where is the physical evidence of the tree of knowledge? Talking snakes and sky fairies? We have yet to find any evidence as such. How come there are multiple denominations * tens of thousands were talking here* of a Christianity each claiming to be the true faith while at the same time claiming others to be the incorrect faith? Is there proof of the tooth fairy the Easter bunny and Santa Clause existing? By the logic of not having proof disproving something that doesn't provide any evidence at all means it is possible that unicorns and dragons as well as leprechauns possibly being real.
Science is based on hypothesis testing and physical evidence while religion is based on faith. One could pray for it to snow in Australia in the outback during the summer and see if it happens but realize nothing happens. The bible and many other religious books claim to have the answer to everything when they do not and have tall tales instead. Now we could conduct an experiment to see if prayer really works thus proving a diety exists via mythbusters. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9izVu_TtAE[/youtube]Yes yes indeed another youtube video *for entertainment purposes primarily but makes a decent point at the same time*
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Case in point: Genesis 1 creates light and dark before the Earth! Then on the second "day", he creates the sky! It isn't until day three that he creates the ground. The universe (at least, using Google) is 13.8 billion years old. The Age of Earth) is 4.54 billion years old. That leaves a gap of roughly (and I say "roughly" because the base numbers are estimates, but I digress) 9.26 billion years. That's a very long two days now isn't it??? Divide it by two, and we're left with 4.63 billion years for each Bible "day". But that would mean we're only in day three, which is where this next point comes into play:
(And just a note: while those two points above aren't said in any church doctrine to date, I aim to change that )
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CccaGaKOlSI[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g[/youtube]If god is real he is not that smart at all and has the intel of a child with insecurity issues hes not perfect like the religions perceive either.If he was smart and perfect he wouldnt make a tree of knowledge in the first place or allow adam and eve to have free will but I think if he was real he probably did it for the lulz! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m0YYy9lqqs[/youtube]Another thing is how do we know this so called god is male and not female and what would the purpous for god to have a penis or any reproductive organ be?
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I think you (Shep) are falling into the same sort of reasoning trap that I have fallen into many times because we share a culture/point in time. And that trap is seeing religion entirely from the perspective of the Abrahamic religions because that is what surrounds most WP posters. I've done it (on this board even) because it's so hard not to when it surrounds you. But as somebody once posted, everybody is an athiest regarding most of the gods. If you step back and take all of human history over the entire planet into account, then the folly of trying to map science onto the religion closest to you becomes more apparent. But if you don't step back, it is nearly irresistable to map the Book of Genesis (as though that was the only religious story) onto current scientific knowledge. On this very board I have wondered if "Let there be light"=Big Bang. But if you take a step back, it becomes apparent that bronze age farmers in the Middle East weren't more likely to have tweaked onto scientific truths just because they were Israeli rather than Egyptian or Roman. Meanwhile in the Pacific Northwest, entirely different creation stories were being created but we ignore them too. The Book of Genesis is all we (including I) ever appeal to when mapping science onto religion. This is a giant blind spot that can make religion seem more science-based than it actually is.
except it can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicellular_organism
This is much of the problem of using Book of Genesis as the sole source for trying to map science onto religion. It encourages you to ignore evidence that goes against the chosen narrative. But if you choose another creation story from an unfamiliar culture, the urge to ignore the science that doesn't fit that narrative goes away and it makes the blind spot more apparent, and the folly of doing this.
Well, although obviously the many folks who created the bible back somewhere 3500 years ago, in oral tradition, with all the multitude of versions that make what the different versions are today, were only human.
Mythology and human archetypes serve the same natural purpose, understanding not just HOW IT WORKS BUT HOW TO WORK IT.
Philosophers and or Prophets truly are one and the similar as both look within, outside, above SO below for the answers to HOW TO WORK IT AND HAVE A GREAT LIFE!
WELL, guess what, no matter what the metaphors are or the mythological tools are, THEY ARE part of what Makes IT WORK. Yes, PART OF THE methodology of how HUMAN CREATIVITY WORKS.
Now to be clear not all folks are philosophers/prophets, AND OR creative. They do not have the same access to the subconscious mind, HUMAN ARCHETYPES and genetic memory that science now evidences as REAL.
BUT THROUGH instinct and intuition the answers can be found within for humans who develop these real life skills to find them, employ them, and exercise them in REAL LIFE NOW.
THIS IS what Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, and Friedrich Nietzsche did and unfortunately in a world steeped in mechanical cognition, revolutionary instinctually and intuitively thinking philosophers are a rare breed these days, as culture in the last 50 years has not been one to 'breed' them, but that is changing now as we speak, as free flow of access to information is also growing while we speak.
The reason prayer works is simple, the REAL SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN power of human believing and the mastery of the human mind for those who DO relative free will over their body and in extension OF environment as well.
A person can have faith, belief, in NEGATIVE SYMBOLIC words FOR THE ESSENCE OF HUMAN EMOTION, which are the same as the metaphor of prayer, and literally make themselves sick through the scientifically proven EFFECT OF THE NOCEBO EFFECT, THE OPPOSITE OF THE PLACEBO EFFECT, and WHICH IS MORE OR LESS PRAYER FOR A POSITIVE OUTCOME IN LIFE.
THAT'S WHAT PRAYER IS, BELIEVING AND HAVING FAITH and HOPE WITH HUMAN WILL OF SYMBOLIC WORDS OF POSITIVE ENERGY FUELED BY HUMAN EMOTION THAT A POSITIVE OUTCOME WILL OCCUR INSTEAD OF A NEGATIVE ONE, AND IT WORKS, CONCLUSIVELY AS PROVEN BY SCIENCE.
AND IF one's prayers never come true, please check one's attitude as likely negative, as science shows that MAY BE THE ISSUE AS TO not having success per the NOCEBO effect.
All science is, is the scribe of GOD and of course it is more effective than religion as the methods used are advanced NOW as compared to anecdotal observations of philosophers/prophets among the herds of people thousands of years ago.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2hO4_UEe-4[/youtube]
Attitude is over 50 percent of success in life, AND POSSIBLY CLOSER TO 100 PERCENT, and to have belief, FAITH AND HOPE UTILIZING relative human free will, as per the words of Friedrich Nietzsche whose premise that the old myth of the tribal GOD of Judaism was dead, but WHO still noted that the 'GOD' of mother nature, could eventually make the potential of a real human superman possible, for one who pursued human potential without fear.
And yeah, Buddha, Jesus, Mr. Nietzsche and even Bruce Lee were all on to the same thing.
YES, see, I have an open mind, TOO, AND I know humans don't do things for no reason at all, that's just not the way we are evolved.
Humans are evolved to survive and they will use whatever tool THERE IS necessary to survive, whether it is religion per controlling the herd in a large population that we are not evolved to live in per classic evolution, or in my case to heal myself of 19 medically documented disorders including the reciprocal social communication problems that come with Autism.
I did IT through instinct and intuition in tapping into the HIGHER POWER OF MOTHER NATURE, AND OR THE SPECIAL FEATURES OF GOD, AS THEY ARE ONE AND SAME, and JUST AS THE EFFECT OF THE PLACEBO EFFECT AND PRAYER ARE ONE AND SAME.
THE ESSENCE IS TRUTH, THE WORDS ARE JUST SHELLS TO HOLD THE TRUTH, THAT CAN CHANGE TO WHATEVER HUMANS DESIGN THEM TO BE.
BUT AGAIN, the bottom line IS IT works, and in REAL LIFE, AS DOCUMENTED ON MY BLOGS, people see the things I do with exclamations like HOLY SH**!
And yes, a little over ago I was almost a complete shut-in in my home for five long years, not even able to eat a meal or walk around the block without ALMOST passing out.
Now I can leg press 810 LBS, 12 times, as documented on my blogs.
And as they say, evidence or it didn't happen, here is irrefutable evidence of one of those reps, with the reaction of the gym attendant that never saw anyone else do this in the MILITARY gym, me at 54 as compared to the other early 20?s Marines with the big muscles that work out there.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_UremHO__g[/youtube]
I did it with faith, belief, HOPE and prayer in positive outcomes in life, and not only that I have dance walked a mixed martial arts and ballet style now 2584 miles in a little over 14 months as will be documented on my blog a little later today, by way of Nike GPS sports watch, and I also did that with no lessons and only instinct and intuition by looking within and finding answers through the GOD of mother nature, and not culture ALONE.
But the other incredible thing is that science now shows the answers God gave me through human instinct, intuition, and archetypes were scientifically correct as well.
AS the cerebellum that controls movement also controls sensory integration, and emotional regulation, so when one works with gravity and finds balance on left foot and right foot AS ONE, emotions and non-verbal physical communication responds in kind with expression and balance, or what the philosophers of old per Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, and Mr. Nietzsche suggested was possible for the metaphor of the modern Prometheus. AS this too is the reason I CAN leg press 810 LBS now, as the Marines still can't understand how I do it, but THEY DO NOT DANCE EVERYWHERE THEY GO.
So yeah, I am a real MODERN superman, not a fairy flying in the sky.
I am one produced by instinct, intuition, science and math, as I fly on terrestrial plane balanced in the golden mean ratio of 1.618, per the pattern of the 'design' of the Universe, and nah, I didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out, all I had to do was dance with GOD, like the philosophers/prophets of OLD DID.
Yeah, remember that dance King David did, he was literally dancing with Mother Nature True, aka GOD. It just took science several thousand years to catch up on the details as to why IT WORKS. :)
AND NO, IN REAL LIFE, I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PROMOTE THIS MYSELF, as literally hundreds of people have video taped me IN THE LAST 14 MONTHS, and shared IT with their FRIENDS ON FACE BOOK, AS TO HOW I DO IT IN REAL TIME.
I'M SHOWING FOLKS how to live in bliss, but it IS only something that truly a dance can tell, in nonverbal expression. And before written communication, dance IS the common way people communicated with each other, even more so than verbal language.
But ha-ha, nothing has changed as even with text communication now, real flesh and blood movement in non-verbal language comprises at least 60 percent of REAL FLESH AND BLOOD LIFE human SOCIAL RECIPROCAL communication, which takes practice in the FULL DANCE OF LIFE, NOT just tapping on a keyboard staring at a screen, as that skill in non-verbal communication can wither away too, as it did with me, for sure, until I danced again with GOD.
When they say GOD works in mysterious ways, it's true, but when science catches up to GOD, there's always USUALLY an a-ha moment to experience, with a toothy grin of success in life to live working with GOD not against GOD through cultural illusions.
While it's easy to get lost in semantics and linguistics the ESSENCE OF GOD IS REAL AND IRREFUTABLY PROVEN for those who work with GOD instead of Against GOD, simple and TRUTH.
And in viewing the video below, it is plain to see that these MODERN men of science IN THE SYMPHONY OF SCIENCE are the modern philosophers/prophets of the GOD of Mother Nature True, and they have the same Zealous PASSION to spread the TRUTH of GOD as Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Nietzsche, or Bruce Lee did.
It is only the differences in the ABSTRACT symbolic languages describing GOD that GET IN THE WAY OF FOLKS SHARING THE SAME ESSENCE OF TRUTH IN PEACE AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE PER THE TRUTH OF THE WAY MOST HUMANS ARE CLASSICALLY EVOLVED TO LIVE TOGETHER IN LOVE, PEACE AND MOREOVER SOCIAL COOPERATION FOR SURVIVAL IN BALANCE with the REST OF THE UNIVERSE, AKA MOTHER NATURE TRUE, AKA GOD.
Separation from the GOD OF ALL THAT IS, IS THE GRANDEST OF ALL ILLUSIONS, AND A common path to REAL HUMAN HELL; WHEREAS BLISS OR HUMAN HEAVEN, IS THE other not so common path THAT I NOW personally reap the benefits of through simple human enlightenment, that my cat enjoys similar WITOUT THE LABYRINTH ILLUSIONS OF MODERN 'WESTERNIZED' CULTURE.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk[/youtube]
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Again, you created this thread saying you had "proof" and "facts" that God doesn't exist, and yet you have yet to come forward with them. So far you're trying to debunk the content of a book. How does that in any way, shape, or form disprove the existence of a higher being?
Again, you created this thread saying you had "proof" and "facts" that God doesn't exist, and yet you have yet to come forward with them. So far you're trying to debunk the content of a book. How does that in any way, shape, or form disprove the existence of a higher being?
How can an omnipotent omniciant and perfect being be perfect when in the bible he changes? If he knew that satan was going to be evil and know that Adam and Eve were going to eat the fruit ahead of time why did he place the tree of knowledge there in the first place? If he knew it was all going to happen then he is sadistic and secretly wanted all the disasters to happen. I see many many flaws here. Also when I used to go to church when I used to be religious I went to many different denominations penticostal mormon baptist christian etc and each one claims the other denomination is incorrect as I grow older and study more into anthropology geology paleontology and biology I realize all the beliefs and such were incorrect and are unrealistic. Let us not forget that the holy symbol is a device used for torturing and killing *the cross*.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_um69RqBpSw[/youtube]Noas Ark was also plagiarized from other religions.
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http://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm a link to one of the 50 other simple proofs proving god does not exist or any other diety.
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With the logic of claiming that just because theres no evidence of a god existing doesnt mean its not real can have as much of an equation to me saying that he did exist and I had a magic lamp in my hands and summoned a genie and wished him and all other gods away with a magic lamp which equally means you cannot prove nor disprove either.
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I think everyone to some extent on the planet cherry-picks, selects, and culls their pool of facts. Some try to be as objective in what they let in on what grounds or disqualify on what grounds, for people of most of the extreme persuasions its an emotional battle and emotional selection process.
IMHO there's clearly enough mud out there peer-reviewed and otherwise to keep us asking all kinds of questions about our realities anywhere from whether it's a single 1:1 universe where one possibility of each movement is available to a type III multiverse where probabilities are real animals rather than lack of data, whether we're really in a holographic estate perhaps on the 'skin' of a black hole where the data postulated to be held rather than destroyed, questions like what do the double slit and quantum eraser outcomes really mean, etc. etc.. The loopier it gets it also seems easier to ask the questions such as whether consciousness necessarily needs brain cells and if it could work on a computer why stop there, ideas like morphic fields which are just another way rephrasing platonic forms get another glance, questions like what's happening when a person drinks a healthy dose of DMT or when an experienced ceremonial magician is able to invoke an entity - where the space between internal and psychological space stops and the 'outer world' as independent starts, etc..
I really like the times we live in because we have so much data available to us that we can make some very educated decisions both in what we select to read to cover as many bases as we can but also to make sure that we're looking at the best that a particular field of knowledge has to offer - it's right at our fingertips either on Amazon or the WWW in general.
I would say that a lot of our old and misguided images of a very human, temperamental, or even capricious or philandering sky god or goddess (depending on the culture and whether there's one or many partying up in the sky or glaring down at our doings) are on their way out. These stories can be dismantled for perhaps deeper implications of what people may have been trying to describe or even encode in allegory can be evaluated so we could at least keep the wheat and discard of the chaff. If there is anything sentient higher and beyond us on what one might call the inner planes it filters through our brains and we ad lots...and lots.... of our own color to any messages it might send. A lot of human experience might suggest it's there but we have a long way to go in learning it's language.
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