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13 Nov 2014, 9:30 am

yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.



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13 Nov 2014, 9:45 am

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yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.


Twins- even separated at birth, do lead very similar lives (it has been studied at length). I do argue that it is genetics because although the twins have similarity to their twin with the same genome, there is no similarity in lives to other people who share the same moment of birth.

According to google, 384,000 people are born every day. If astrology were correct, these people would share life outcomes and personality traits as identical twins do. But they don't. So the identicality comes from genetics not from time of birth.



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13 Nov 2014, 10:55 am

Janissy wrote:
slenkar wrote:
yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.


Twins- even separated at birth, do lead very similar lives (it has been studied at length). I do argue that it is genetics because although the twins have similarity to their twin with the same genome, there is no similarity in lives to other people who share the same moment of birth.

One of my middle school classmates was born the same day in the same hospital, just 1 hour earlier than me.
It happened we had 2 separate, totally unrelated accidents (I fell down, he was not careful on his bike, I was near my home, he was in another city) the same day and we received exactly the same injuries (broken left upper front tooth).



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13 Nov 2014, 11:04 am

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That's for sure, and a Yogi can tell you that, for sure, who controls their bodily functions like body temperature, steaming heat off of robes in icy water, and controlling alpha and theta brain waves, without even any bio-feedback machines.

And yes, science has finally measured this, per the scientific method, evidenced as true, and no NOT someone's imagination.

And for all practical intents and purposes, I am a Yogi, as in real documented life; I have gained mastery over my bodily functions as well. I don't own any long pants, not even when the temperatures dip down into the teens, here in North Florida, as I have undomesticated myself, per real true human effect and AFFECT per regulation of brain waves, body temperature, and emotions as well.

If I had waited for science to tell me how to do it, it would have never happened.


Have you heard of the Iceman? That's the nickname of a guy who ha trained himself to keep his body temperature up in cold temperatures. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

Maybe this is how our ancestors survived stuff like the last ice age. When I went skiing long ago I remember some of the locals wore summer clothes in the snow. Maybe they learned to get used to the cold.


Tibetan monks can regulate their body temps.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04 ... tummo.html


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13 Nov 2014, 11:06 am

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joan Quigley and nancy Reagan agree that ms. Quigley accurately predicted Reagan's attempted assassination. astrologer jeane Dixon predicted JFK's assassination, and coasted the rest of her life on the laurels of that achievement. some very learned people use astrology for manifold purposes, including in the world of business. all those people cannot be totally wrong. IOW there must be something there.


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why are some wall street firms employing astrologers then?


Why can't they be all wrong? Even people who are very rational and well educated can be superstitious and behave illogically.

Aren't the idiots on Wall St. the ones who screwed up the world economy a few years ago? I'm not sure they're exactly setting a standard of competence in their own field. Were their errors due to trusting in superstition over more sound economical planning, greed and corruption or something else? If they could forecast trouble, why was no attempt made to avert disaster? If some people were forecasting the future and not sharing the information their behaviour doesn't support this idea... no one was able to make a killing before the stock markets had trouble.


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13 Nov 2014, 11:11 am

I do Chinese astrology charts for people. It's a lot of fun. I only don't like it when people ask me when they'll die. I'm not good at predicting the future, only their personalities and preferences. So I usually tell them around 102. :D


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13 Nov 2014, 11:49 am

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If some people were forecasting the future and not sharing the information their behaviour doesn't support this idea... no one was able to make a killing before the stock markets had trouble.


John Paulson saw it coming, he shorted sub-prime real estate, and bought gold. He made billions of dollars.
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-pau ... ian-2011-5



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13 Nov 2014, 12:02 pm

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Janissy wrote:
slenkar wrote:
yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.


Twins- even separated at birth, do lead very similar lives (it has been studied at length). I do argue that it is genetics because although the twins have similarity to their twin with the same genome, there is no similarity in lives to other people who share the same moment of birth.

One of my middle school classmates was born the same day in the same hospital, just 1 hour earlier than me.
It happened we had 2 separate, totally unrelated accidents (I fell down, he was not careful on his bike, I was near my home, he was in another city) the same day and we received exactly the same injuries (broken left upper front tooth).


wow,
astrology makes me think we are in a 'matrix' type situation



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13 Nov 2014, 12:57 pm

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Have you heard of the Iceman? That's the nickname of a guy who ha trained himself to keep his body temperature up in cold temperatures. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

Maybe this is how our ancestors survived stuff like the last ice age. When I went skiing long ago I remember some of the locals wore summer clothes in the snow. Maybe they learned to get used to the cold.


Thanks for the link trollcatman, and the way the Iceman accomplishes this by:

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"Hof seems to be able to raise his cortisol levels and lower the amount of cytokines (inflammatory mediators) just by using his meditation techniques. A different study on Hof while immersed in ice showed that Hof suppressed the cytokines by 100 percent.[9] In September 2011, Hof also ran a full marathon in the Namib Desert without water. The run was performed under the supervision of Dr. Thijs Eijsvogels."


Yes, per the link you provided as quoted above, this is similar to the way that Tibetan Yogi Monks that Ms. Lizard linked to above do it.

In our westernized worlds our minds are focused mostly on problem solving through the course of school sitting still behind a desk either staring at a computer screen or a lecturer.

If one can imagine our ancestors living as foragers they spent their time living with Mother Nature True aka GOD as ONE, as required to capture prey, and gather other available food subsistence in wild plant life. Their life was one of constant movement and experience was one of connection with others and FEELING THE ENVIRONMENT and responding to environmental challenges in kind through instinct and intuition.

When I worked with the general public for almost two decades, social connection, the natural human way of life, per our ancestors was my way of life every day all day long,

I lived in relative bliss as for the most part bliss is simple animal homeostasis or peace of mind and no it wasn't easy for years at first, until I adapted to the environmental challenge of this social environment.

The definition of a Yogi is one who keeps peace of mind, with regulation over bodily functions, and the goal of most every normal animal is homeostasis after meeting challenge of fight, flight and subsistence in general, moreover.

I developed 19 medical disorders including extreme sensory integration problems like a severely autistic child, because of one thing and one thing only, stress, unrelenting chronic stress and the overwhelming causal factor of that stress is I never learned how to control my mind through emotional intelligence and my body that carries emotions down through the vagal nerve from brain to gut.

Some folks call this vagal nerve THE KUNDALINI SERPENT that carries the emotional EFFECT AND AFFECT OF COMFORT AND SELF-ESTEEM PER THE NEUROCHEMICAL SEROTONIN.

But when emotions are repressed tensions replace the emotions in the body as negative REPRESSION IN TENSION rather than positive FREE LIVING PRO-SOCIAL EMOTION.

When one frees their body through positive meditation in moving the body and mind together per one example of the formal practice of TAI CHI that can be gained through instinct and intuition alone without lesson, the body and mind again works in harmony and the result CAN BE INNER PEACE.

The doctors gave up on me, and told me there is nothing they could do for me, as their drugs would not work for Trigeminal Neuralgia, ASSOCIATED ILLS OF Sjogren's syndrome an Immune system disorder, and Fibromyalgia.

The doctor told me there was no chance for recovery to have a productive life, just per the SEVERE CASE of anxiety I had developed as well.

I looked within with instinct and intuition and proved them all wrong.

And seriously in real life, when I go without water in a marathon effort for rave dance for 3 to 4 hours without a drink of water, every Thursday Night now coming up to 33 weeks tonight, some people think and REMARK TO ME, I have to be on some kind of drug to do it, but I tell them I've mastered control over my mind and body, and live in bliss all the time.

And yeah, they give me the WTF look in disbelief but we don't exactly live in an 'ENLIGHTENED' society in the US, and it shows in the population's medical record overall, with one-third of school age children who are now pre-diabetic, a nation approaching 50% of its population on some kind of pain killer, as well as the use of anti-depressants sky rocketing.

These are all cultural symptoms of a society that has lost its grasp on basic human nature, and the TRUE ART, YES ART OF INSTINCT AND INTUITION OF SIMPLY LIVING FREE WITH MOTHER NATURE TRUE aka GOD.

And as in the video below, if anyone's interested in learning more about the Tibetan Monks in how they achieve inner peace that almost anyone CAN DO who gains escape from cultural illusions and finds the power within with instinct and intuition, the Dali Lama uses Jesus as an example of an historical figure who has gained this basic human instinctual and intuitive state of being.

ADDITIONALLY, Jesus as reported similar to Tibetan Yogi Monks, teaches the instinctual and intuitive ways of living in cooperation and sharing with others as brothers and sisters, rather than dominating folks through the brainwashing of culture that says collect and compete instead of share and cooperate.

We overall, as human beings, innately do this when living in balance with Mother Nature True aka GOD and our GOD given Human Nature, instead of illusory brainwashing from cultures using the tool control tool of subjugation through fear for materialistic gains, and oppression and repression of our basic human nature per emotions and sexual nature that when fulfilled provide the opportunity for the greatest potential in human creativity and productivity.

Our closest primate cousin the Bonobo as now studied by science that has the similar empathy gene and an associated empathic brain structures as us does the similar as well, in the wild with no complex language or culture.

The chimpanzee on the other had, still rapes and pillages. A common fallacy is that we are like chimpanzees at core of our temperament for survival. The truth is we are more like Bonobos and if let run free act more like the free love movement of the sixties.

Seriously that's us, overall, in a nut shell, free loving, when set free from subjugation, repression, and oppression per cultural means mostly by power of the tool of cultural illusory fear.

The only places where historical Yogis fail in my opinion, is the belief that expressing sexual nature is counterproductive; to me that is obviously still the result of a post forager to agrarian to industrial to now information technology way of patriarchal leaning culture, rather than the matriarchal leaning cultures of our hunter gather aka FORAGER ancestors.

True power is in the grace of the CAT or Instinctual Martial artist WHO learns that 'invisibility' is the way to escape the predator and capture the prey. And Unconditional Love, per helping others rather than dominating them, is the true path to human power also, as this is WHAT WE ARE overall EVOLVED TO DO PER MOTHER NATURE TRUE AKA GOD.

And it's not surprising that some of the repressed and or oppressed subjugated through FEAR Jews walking like a robot in the streets with tense bodies, did SEE Jesus as a GOD, as he was likely just another YOGI leaning guy regaining his human nature and natural place as GOD's true child, and not a child of cultural lies, instead.

Chances are he too, could do amazing things, like me, and I am more excited about the amazing things I can do that I DO DOCUMENT WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE THOROUGHLY DONE FOR PROOF, as if I can do them, after being so sick and weak, AND ALMOST DYING, with 19 medical disorders and overcoming ALL OF IT at age 53 AND 54 most everyone on this forum could do it too.

BUT ONLY for the most part, IF they CAN escape cultural ILLUSIONS and look within for the answers, PER THE FOLKS WHO HAVE THINGS ABOUT THEMSELVES THEY WISH THEY COULD CHANGE.

Without the Passion, Belief and Faith one CAN CHANGE as well as Trust in Mother Nature True aka GOD, the path to inner peace is truly the eye of the needle and culture is the Camel, overall.

ALTHOUGH the Christian Catholic religion I was raised in was far from perfect, it laid a basic foundation, not too far away from the natural Yogi, for me to forge my own path for success in inner peace, much later in life. After gaining it, many of the teachings of Jesus that do ring true, make perfect sense to me now as before it was hit and miss.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOk0tZHwCs4[/youtube]

And to be clear regarding the topic at hand, I DO NOT BELIEVE ASTROLOGY, NUMEROLOGY, and the TAROT ARE PERFECT OCCULT SCIENCES, AND FAR FROM IT IN MY OPINION.

BUT THEY are inherently based on Mother Nature and careful observation of human beings PER the patterns that DO TRULY exist.

There is no separation OF HUMAN AND MOTHER NATURE TRUE AKA GOD, from the smallest microcosm particle known of our bodily functions to the largest macrocosm of the Universe THAT SCIENCE DOES NOW EVIDENCE AS TRUTH, and elements of Truth often DO exist where science cannot see the TOTAL TAPESTRY OF LIFE AS LIVING IT TRUE WITH MOTHER NATURE AKA GOD.

Some folks see more of the tapestry and some folks see the details clearer, but that DOES NOT mean that EITHER OR does not EXIST.

AS ABOVE SO BELOW IS A KEY TO INNER PEACE, PER UNDERSTANDING both Tapestry and Detail.

And if one wants to view more of what the true MAN YESHUA AKA Jesus looked like when he lived, the video linked above, is a POSITIVE path to FOLLOW OVERALL, in my NOW MUCH BETTER educated opinion TO FIND THE TRUE ANSWERS for one who seeks TRUTH rather than what their peers and relatives told them is truth through potential cultural illusions PER THE EFFECTIVE AND 'AFFECTIVE' TOOL OF SUBJUGATION THROUGH FEAR, REPRESSION AND OPPRESSION OF OUR GOD GIVEN HUMAN NATURE.


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13 Nov 2014, 1:19 pm

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Astrology has no relevance to understanding ourselves or our place in the cosmos. Modern advocates of astrology cannot account for the underlying basis of astrological associations with terrestrial affairs, have no plausible explanation for its claims, and have not contributed anything of cognitive value to any field of the social sciences.

why are some wall street firms employing astrologers then?

Because they're stupid.


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13 Nov 2014, 1:28 pm

slenkar wrote:
Kiriae wrote:
Janissy wrote:
slenkar wrote:
yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.


Twins- even separated at birth, do lead very similar lives (it has been studied at length). I do argue that it is genetics because although the twins have similarity to their twin with the same genome, there is no similarity in lives to other people who share the same moment of birth.

One of my middle school classmates was born the same day in the same hospital, just 1 hour earlier than me.
It happened we had 2 separate, totally unrelated accidents (I fell down, he was not careful on his bike, I was near my home, he was in another city) the same day and we received exactly the same injuries (broken left upper front tooth).


wow,
astrology makes me think we are in a 'matrix' type situation


Perhaps we are living in a matrix now, as POTENTIALLY encoded in our genetics.

But per Mother Nature True aka GOD, NEO and the Oracle, not the Architect of Cultural Illusion with little emotion to drive instinct AND intuition in the true dance and song of life.

I think what some folks do not recognize or forget is the prophetic visions of religious prophets, sophists, philosophers and creative efforts of literary, music and other artistic with an 'R' giants are similar in the way they are created in theta brain wave trance connecting to our subconscious mind that stores human archetypes as manifested through our genetics as human animals.

The bee alone does not design the hive, the bee acts on instinct provided by Mother Nature True aka GOD.

The bee needs no complex language or cultural rules to design intricate ways of subsistence in living life.

I think people severely underestimate the power of GOD GIVEN human instinct.

The following video shows an excellent example of the tapestry of what happens when humans work together like bees through instinct and intuition manifested into magnificent creation of tapestry of subsistence by humans in their design of cultural infrastructure as what we see in the 'natural world' too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L777RhL_Fz4[/youtube]

From the small view one sees the details but truly the tapestry is magnificent when viewed AND LIVED AS WHOLE.

We are never working alone, although the illusion can be we are.

Bees hold no illusion, and they thrive in the hive, when in balance.

Humans CAN DO THE SIMILAR, but with humans 'handicapped' with neocortical and frontal lobe 'advances' discipline IS REQUIRED to even live in the PRESENT NOW.

BEES LIVE IN the heaven of NOW, and yes humans CAN TOO.

And yes, overall, Astrology is tapestry too.

But obviously at the detail level, it doesn't always work, as it's not perfect, it's only tapestry.

Perfect in my opinion, would truly s**K, as the practice is the reward, not the goal.

It's just the way we are evolved, and that IS for intermittent gratification, NOT INSTANT GRATIFICATION, AS THAT is the true cause of most of human suffering in our modern cultures, as when we DO THAT, we go against our human nature and Mother Nature True aka GOD too.

Mother Nature AND HUMAN NATURE ONE and same is STILL our master and there is truly no escaping Mother Nature although some folks DO HOLD THAT ILLUSION FOR SURE, and pay the consequences time and time again, as history shows both at the society and individual level as evidenced for sure.


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13 Nov 2014, 1:34 pm

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If some people were forecasting the future and not sharing the information their behaviour doesn't support this idea... no one was able to make a killing before the stock markets had trouble.


John Paulson saw it coming, he shorted sub-prime real estate, and bought gold. He made billions of dollars.
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-pau ... ian-2011-5


Interesting. I don't see anything indicating he relied on magic or consults with oracles and fortune tellers in making his decisions though. My main point had to do with astrology not appearing to be an effective or reliable means of predicting the stock market.


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13 Nov 2014, 5:33 pm

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According to google, 384,000 people are born every day. If astrology were correct, these people would share life outcomes and personality traits as identical twins do. But they don't. So the identicality comes from genetics not from time of birth.

not exactly. despite simultaneity in birthtimes, people the world over can still be born under different zodiacal configurations. the features of the zodiac are not static but dynamic, always on the move, and "appear" differently in different parts of earth.



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13 Nov 2014, 5:53 pm

Yes ^,

The "natal chart" an astrologer draws up for you is essentially a map of the sky overhead as it was the moment , and at the place you were born.

The overhead star positions would be different for different hometowns, as well as for different birthdates.

If you were born in Louisville Kentucky the same moment Cassius Clay (Mohamed Ali) was born in the same city you would have the same natal chart as he.

My guesstimate is that in a town of 100 thousand people about 8 babies are born a day.

SOME child mustve been born in Louisville Ky the same night The Greatest was also born in that town. But that child did not go on to become a world heavy wieght champion.



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13 Nov 2014, 5:55 pm

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SOME child mustve been born in Louisville Ky the same night The Greatest was also born in that town. But that child did not go on to become a world heavy wieght champion.

maybe that's why astrologers say "the stars impel, NOT compel.



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13 Nov 2014, 6:13 pm

^^^

And very likely.. in my personal learned experiential opinion..

those with little emotion..belief in 'much' of anything

or faith AND hope in anything.. much at all...

Never even feel the stars of life

in their own eyes..

and certainly not the eyes of others...

IN the limited evidence for pre-cognition that DOES EXIST in science..

Science does show.. that the observer effect (AFFECT) of disbelief and negativity...

can kill what exists of the life of precognition however small that

truth may be...

But for those with great faith.. belief.. HOPE and positive energy..

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE DEVELOPED relative SKILL OF FREE WILL..

Well..

perhaps the sky's the limit..,

It is for me at least.. and i have the documented evidence for the

NAYSAYERS of A fullest life imaginable in what CAN BE

Human potential...

And truly that IS REAL LIFE MAGICK...

But no it IS FAR FROM FREE TO BE FREE.....

IT'S THE HARDEST most rewarding challenge

IMAGINABLE IN LIFE..

sometimes JUST TO IMAGINE....and make dreams

COME TRUE..

but is IT possible..

YES.. a REsounding yes!


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