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14 Nov 2014, 4:20 pm

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The reason that some people can wear summer clothes in snow, and so on, is twofold:

1. As people acclimate to their climate, the regions of the brain associated with homeostasis determine how close the blood vessels should be to the epidermis. When it is hot the blood vessels widen ( AKA vasodilation) and when it is cold the blood vessels shrink (AKA vasoconstriction). This primarily occurs in the extremities, as when it is cold the core must be kept warm and when it is hot if the blood flows more freely it can cool. There are some other factors involved that can cause vasoconstriction during the cold (as your fingers get numb they suddenly vasodilate), or some odd patterns like the Hunting reaction, but for the most part it is simpler to understand things this way.


2. People from different climates tend to inherit different bodily proportions genetically if their ancestors are from the same area. In arid climates people have long limbs and also elongated torsos, while in more frigid temperatures the opposite seems to be the case. This also has to do with blood flow and whether or not the core needs to be kept cold/hot.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all to people who already know this. It merely fascinated me when I first read this as I took a course in physical anthropology a long time ago.


True and I had a similar class in Physical Anthropology as Anthropology is one of my degrees, but for steaming heat off robes in icy cold waters it is more complicated than simple evolutionary adaptation in physiology to the physical geographical environment, as actual mind control over bodily functions come into play, as per the scientific documentation on Tibetan Yogi Monks and the ICE MAN article as linked earlier in the thread.

And as a blue eyed German Black Forest descended Individual two generations removed with the additional influence of Northern European on my mother's side I am certainly adapted to colder temperatures naturally, but no, before I learned to control my bodily functions with my mind, I was not able to do TAI CHI barefoot in my underwear in the snow. :)

It's impossible to do this without actually generating heat through the feet to avoid frostbite through instinctual and intuitive mind control. There are no instructions in a book to get one the desired result alone.

But no, I did not do it all day long either. :)

And on the other hand I am also heavily influenced by American Indian and Cajun (French/Spanish) heritage on maternal and paternal sides respectively, so I tan very easily which is almost necessary to live in Florida and stay outside with little to no clothing, without really bad sunburns.

So yes, Mother Nature gave me the best of both seasonal worlds I guess. :)

For anyone who HAS studied physical anthropology the height of political correct ignorance is suggesting people who have adapted differently to geographical differences in environment do not have advantage over or disadvantage under other people.

An example is African Americans handling the heat better than the cold as opposed to folks with almost all Northern European heritage, as well as speed over endurance in running verses percentage of slow twitch vs. fast twitch muscle fibers. And even morphological structure of the skeletal system, per biomechanical advantage.

And probably the most ignorant thing I've ever seen/heard in text is a group of You Tubers making fun of the relatively small size of a Lion's Penis to the rest of the Lion's ferocious killing body.

Killers with large penises are killers with no penises in the wild, as when there's something to claw and hold onto in the fight, the result is yes, no penis, no offspring, and classic evolution does the rest. End result is Lions and even domesticated cats with relatively very small penises for their size.

The more social an animal is per the Bonobo free loving ways of sex, as our closest cousin, the larger the testicles and associated apparatus.

But the alpha male gorilla is another much smaller story of relative sizes, in reproductive equipment.

Italian men have some of the smallest average penis sizes per studies done world wide geographically as well as middle eastern men, and East Indians per Caucasian men, but they have a long history of tribal fighting, and the Northern European thingy with the cold, and long things freezing off and short things staying warm does come into play in this most human of evolutionary equations. :)

Anyway, truly it is fascinating AND TRULY IRONICALLY AMUSING as for some folks the 'thing' they worry about the most is the thing that saved their life, per FULL HISTORICAL AND PRE-HISTORIC RECORD OF their ancestors. :)

It's ALL RELATIVE, AND NEVER a REAL CONCERN FOR WORRY, AS illusory fears are illusory fears, mostly generated by religion and culture, instead of instinct and intuition, the God Given aka Mother Nature True instructions to live, WELL.

"The Cold Never Bothered me Anyway"

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14 Nov 2014, 5:10 pm

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aghogday wrote:
That's for sure, and a Yogi can tell you that, for sure, who controls their bodily functions like body temperature, steaming heat off of robes in icy water, and controlling alpha and theta brain waves, without even any bio-feedback machines.

And yes, science has finally measured this, per the scientific method, evidenced as true, and no NOT someone's imagination.

And for all practical intents and purposes, I am a Yogi, as in real documented life; I have gained mastery over my bodily functions as well. I don't own any long pants, not even when the temperatures dip down into the teens, here in North Florida, as I have undomesticated myself, per real true human effect and AFFECT per regulation of brain waves, body temperature, and emotions as well.

If I had waited for science to tell me how to do it, it would have never happened.


Have you heard of the Iceman? That's the nickname of a guy who ha trained himself to keep his body temperature up in cold temperatures. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

Maybe this is how our ancestors survived stuff like the last ice age. When I went skiing long ago I remember some of the locals wore summer clothes in the snow. Maybe they learned to get used to the cold.


Tibetan monks can regulate their body temps.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04 ... tummo.html


They sort of have to, since it's so cold up there in the mountains. :D


The reason that some people can wear summer clothes in snow, and so on, is twofold:

1. As people acclimate to their climate, the regions of the brain associated with homeostasis determine how close the blood vessels should be to the epidermis. When it is hot the blood vessels widen ( AKA vasodilation) and when it is cold the blood vessels shrink (AKA vasoconstriction). This primarily occurs in the extremities, as when it is cold the core must be kept warm and when it is hot if the blood flows more freely it can cool. There are some other factors involved that can cause vasoconstriction during the cold (as your fingers get numb they suddenly vasodilate), or some odd patterns like the Hunting reaction, but for the most part it is simpler to understand things this way.

2. People from different climates tend to inherit different bodily proportions genetically if their ancestors are from the same area. In arid climates people have long limbs and also elongated torsos, while in more frigid temperatures the opposite seems to be the case. This also has to do with blood flow and whether or not the core needs to be kept cold/hot.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all to people who already know this. It merely fascinated me when I first read this as I took a course in physical anthropology a long time ago.


The first sentence in section two doesnt make any sense. "People in arid climates have long limbs and long torsos...".

Arid?

Hope you are aware that the word "arid" means "dry", and that it does not mean "hot".

Its HOT climates that people with long limbs and torsos are adapted to (to dissipate excess body heat). Aridity has nothing to do with it.

Likewise Eskimos have stocky bodies with short limbs to descrease the amount of surface area per body volume to conserve body heat.

Long limbed people are indigenous to the equatorial rainforests of Africa which are among the most humid (and least arid) places on the dry land of earth. The tundra home of the Eskimos is comparable to the Sahara in the amount percipitation it gets.



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14 Nov 2014, 5:29 pm

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With astrology you can predict what the relationship between 2 people will be like:
http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/comp2f
You just need their birthdays.

I have done hundreds of such comparisons using this website and it always predicts the nature of the relationship accurately.

It can also tell you what your personality is like:
http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal

If you know your time of birth you get a lot of extra info.

I usually get a backlash of people who have seen Penn and Tellers Bull**** episode on astrology but they didn't test it properly.

They mentioned a study where people were surveyed as to what career they had and they compared it to the wrong part of the person's chart, that is just one error they made.


Astrology has been trashed over the last 300 years by careful -astronomical- observation. It is nonsense. There is no mechanism whereby a planet can affect the minute details of people's lives. The moon does have an effect. It is the main cause of the tides.

Jupiter is so far out that its gravitational influence on an -individual- is non-existent.

And what about Uranus and Neptune, ignored for thousands of years because they were never seen.

In addition classical astrology is based on the Babylonian ephemirus which is off by 30 degrees. As I said, it is nonsense. Right up there with homeopathy.

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14 Nov 2014, 5:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:
slenkar wrote:
With astrology you can predict what the relationship between 2 people will be like:
http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/comp2f
You just need their birthdays. I have done hundreds of such comparisons using this website and it always predicts the nature of the relationship accurately. It can also tell you what your personality is like:
http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal
If you know your time of birth you get a lot of extra info. I usually get a backlash of people who have seen Penn and Tellers Bull**** episode on astrology but they didn't test it properly. They mentioned a study where people were surveyed as to what career they had and they compared it to the wrong part of the person's chart, that is just one error they made.

Astrology has been trashed over the last 300 years by careful -astronomical- observation. It is nonsense. There is no mechanism whereby a planet can affect the minute details of people's lives. The moon does have an effect. It is the main cause of the tides.
Jupiter is so far out that its gravitational influence on an -individual- is non-existent. And what about Uranus and Neptune, ignored for thousands of years because they were never seen. In addition classical astrology is based on the Babylonian ephemirus which is off by 30 degrees. As I said, it is nonsense. Right up there with homeopathy.

astrologers, by and large do NOT believe the zodiacal objects directly influence earthly subjects via physical action. what they do believe, is that the heavenly markers are portents, or signs that the times are here for certain qualities or actions to manifest on earth. it is all about timing. as they say, "timing is everything."



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14 Nov 2014, 8:48 pm

I'm not sure I can place any faith in a prophecy made without examining the liver of an animal sacrifice. Only by examining the liver of an animal sacrificed specifically for the purpose of divination can the future be accurately read.


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14 Nov 2014, 9:22 pm

The planets dont affect us with gravity

One theory of how astrology works involves cosmic rays (an actual scientific term) coming into our solar system and being affected by all the planets. Then they hit our upper atmosphere and then hit us. Or they hit the upper atmosphere and alter the molecules which we then breathe in.



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14 Nov 2014, 9:23 pm

the zodiac is just a giant "coming attractions" billboard in the sky.



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14 Nov 2014, 9:39 pm

You all are so silly :lol: Anyone with sense knows you use tea leaves.


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14 Nov 2014, 9:40 pm

True,

The star constellations that are in the zodiac are merely markers so we can tell where the planets are.
Like 'Jupiter is in Aries' just means if you draw a line from earth through jupiter, it will hit the constellation of Aries if it keeps going.



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14 Nov 2014, 9:40 pm

:mrgreen:
a magic 8 ball is interesting also :)



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14 Nov 2014, 9:43 pm

Ouija Board. :twisted:


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14 Nov 2014, 9:45 pm

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Ouija Board. :twisted:

:o there be danger :skull:



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14 Nov 2014, 9:49 pm

I'm pretty sure that was a small earthquake that cause the bed to move around last night. :D


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14 Nov 2014, 9:54 pm

I hope it was good for you, too :)



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15 Nov 2014, 9:33 am

Yes,I feel nice and refreshed this morning,after I spun my head around a couple of times I got that nasty crick out of it.


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15 Nov 2014, 9:59 am

^^

Oh.. you can do that too...

You must have undomesticated yourself too...

Amazing what can come.. if logic is left.. YES LOGIC of the standard intelligence type IS..

left behind.....

And intuition and instinct rises.. to un-domesticate a human being... OK that's kind of a metaphor as
neither of US IS 'REAGAN' (EXORCIST MOVIE REFERENCE).. but..

Truly the reason Astrology works for SOME PEOPLE IS it is simply POSITIVE cognitive behavioral therapy..
THAT STIMULATES THE 'SCIENTIFIC' POWERS OF NEUROPLASTICITY AND EPIGENETICS...

Believe and think positive things will happen to you and they will.

Believe and think negative things will happen to you and they will.

Add faith, hope and relative free will to the equation of life of positive cognitive NOT NEGATIVE behavioral therapy...

And well..

then ONE CAN MOVE metaphorical mountains...

It's the way human nature works.. simple and true..

The naysayers never go anywhere..

The ones who THINK THEY CAN DO..

'Nike knows this'.

But JUST DO IT, goes both ways. Just doing nothing IS NOTHING.

And no these aren't just words they ARE poetic expression PER expression of the POWER OF HUMAN EMOTION in believing one can change for the better. And in human being as EFFECTIVE 'ASTROLOGISTS' KNOW, HUMAN being is a powerful force when human being believes human being can change against all odds.

And I put my EVIDENCE WHERE MY MOUTH IS, AND HERE IS SOME MORE OF IT LINKED HERE, DIRECTLY ON TOPIC OF WHAT THE NAYSAYERS SAY CANNOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN IN LIFE.

For example, LIKE a person 'curing' their SELF of autism, THROUGH GREATER SELF-AWARENESS, per the reciprocal social communication difficulties of getting out there with the HERD AND living life.

AND NO I am not saying anyone else can do this here but me, or wants to, but the EVIDENCED FACT OF THE MATTER IS i did it, and I HAVE BELIEF, FAITH, HOPE, AND RELATIVE FREE WILL, THAT OTHERS WHO HOPE TO CAN TOO. :)

AND YES, TRULY EFFECTIVE 'ASTROLOGISTS' DO TOO. :)

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/11/15 ... stication/


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