Why the Ancient Alien Theory could be possible.

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Daniken is outlandish at times but I wouldn't discount all of what he proposes merely because he tries so hard to make all of it fit that he stretches the boundaries of reality into dimensions that are simply false. It still doesn't mean it is impossible for us to venture to a new home, one in which we did not evolve, somehow forget we are newcomers over the generations and mistakenly believe we are from that new planet. It does bring to mind how capable mankind is at keeping accurate information flowing through the ages. So far, humans have not done a very good job of it. Would it be possible for us, as a species, to keep the knowledge alive for thousands. perhaps millions of years so that generations would know they did not fully evolve on so and so planet? What if we evolve into something else and just somehow forget what we were before? Humans today must unearth evidence to find out more about our origins. We do not have records and are not born knowing.

The hole in your theory is that somehow an advanced civilization is supposed to entirely lose it's own history, and probably not just one but multiple civilizations as there would be if this planet were colonized. This also contradicts the fossil record from earlier hominids to archaic homo sapiens and then homo sapiens sapiens. There is a pretty clear evolutionary line for millions of years and tools we can examine. Another thing we have observed is that when a group of organisms masters it's environment evolution from species to species stops dead in it's tracks. This is because mating is no longer done for the same reasons at all.

And how did society devolve? How did it universally devolve?

Also it may not be impossible for all we know but it is highly implausible for us to venture to a new home in any reasonable amount of time. It looks like you are retreating to the point that you want the stamp of remote plausibility on something that is highly implausible. I'm sorry but ancient alien theorists are nowhere near being taken seriously in the academic community, for valid professional reasons. What they've done in trying to sway public opinion is underhanded and they are undermining real academics.

Are you kidding me? Advanced civilizations have been lost time and time again. We unearth them then struggle to figure out what made the people in such civilizations tick. You might think just because we are experiencing advances in the developed world it would be impossible for us to ever go backwards and we will just keep building on what we know now forever and ever but history has shown this as a rule does not happen.

What we are talking about is a far cry from losing any knowledge of the Incas. Rather, what we are talking about when we talk about interstellar travel is a highly advanced civilization that is not subject to famine (how else would they sustain themselves during such an exodus). What you are referring to are momentary lapses and the trend has still always been that civilization rebounds and advances above and beyond the former state, that is observed just as much as regression.

My main point here is that it stretches the bounds of plausibility to say that a civilization that advanced would regress utterly and lose it's history. Also, depending on which theory of yours that you choose what you are saying clearly contradicts the fossil record. Hominids have been here for millions of years and their line of descent is fairly clear.

It is not that far fetched because we have lost our history many times and may lose it again. Fear seems to be one of the catalysts in the human psyche. Fear really is a destructive state of mind. Pessimism doesn't help either. This leads to overly superstitious states somehow believing that if everyone simply becomes more superstitious, they will be alright. Magical thinking at it's worst.

Im convinced there was an advanced global society that we have forgotten about.

The biggest pyramid in Giza Egypt has almost the same footprint size as the biggest pyramid in mexico. Their heights are also divisible by pi.

On both sides of the atlantic there were mound builders. Tens of thousands of mounds in North America and several in England. Remains of royalty were found in the mounds in both places.

The myth about Atlas having the world on his shoulders could be an allegory to world leadership.

There are flood myths all over the world, but the whole earth has never flooded. It is more likely that people fled a certain place that flooded and carried their myths with them.

There are also pyramids all over the earth.

They are 100 square metres out... And of course, the two structures are very different.

All heights are divisible by pi. Just change the size of your unit.


That's because mounds are easy to build.

If the truth be known, despite the popular image of Atlas holding the world on his shoulders, according to Greek myth, he was holding up the sky.

The OP's point is the following: There could be a little green man following you around everwhere you go- he just disappears every time you turn to look at him.

She is saying "space aliens could have colonized earth in ancient times, even though I admit that there is no evidence for it. But the evidence could all have disappeared- so that proves its possible"

Nice try.

But sorry. Absence of evidence IS indeed evidence of absence. Maybe not absolute proof of absence, but certainly evidence of it.

You got anything else besides "the little green man magically disappears" to offer us as an argument?

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On both sides of the atlantic there were mound builders. Tens of thousands of mounds in North America and several in England. Remains of royalty were found in the mounds in both places.[/quote]

Is it really that hard to believe that the same idea could occur in more than one place?



Multiple areas have experienced catastrophic flooding. People worldwide understand the idea of a catastrophic flood and can imagine an exaggerated version of this occurring. It's likely that while some flood myths may share a common origin, multiple variations of these stories were invented independently, with



Really? How come many of the alleged pyramids aren't pyramids at all? How come the pyramids and various pseudo-pyramids around the world have significantly different layouts, internal structures and intended purposes?

Whether pyramids or mounds, people can hit on the same simple idea without any contact what so ever

Exactly.

And besides- if the Mayans had "gotten the idea" of building pyramids from the Egyptians- then why did the Mayans wait for over 3000 years to get around to acting on the idea? The pyramid building phase of Pharonic Egypt was 2800 to 2600 BC. The Mayans didnt start building pyramids until around AD 800.

Yup. Both shapes are sturdy and pretty much inevitable if your building strategy is "put stuff on top of stuff".

The dates of the pyramids are disputed.

The flood myths all over the world usually have a 'Noah' figure who collects animals/supplies into a boat because he is told to.

This is too coincidental to be independent floods.

The Indian one is very similar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sraddhadeva_Manu

The African one too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths


Hawaii one of the most isolated places in the world has the same thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu%27u

Pyramid of the Sun in Mexico footprint is 49729 sqm
Pyramid of Giza in Egypt footprint is 52900 sqm
94% similar
pretty darn close for two buildings built by different civilizations that had no contact with each other.

Skyscrapers around the world of similar height probably have similar footprint sizes,

They are built by people who learn Architecture from Universities that use Global standards of building design.

Each skyscraper is different just as the pyramids around the world have differences. But they are constructed based on a global agreed best practice.

I don't think it's coincidental but I also don't think that therefore means it couldn't be independent floods. People living the agricultural life would die without their animals. How well they can recover after a natural disaster/flood will depend in part on how many of their animals they could rescue. I'm sure the survivors of any such incident would wish that they had been given enough advance warning to prepare and get themselves and all their animals to safety. To me it doesn't look like evidence of story dissemination from one point so much as the fact that people around the globe had very similar agricultural lifestyles- all dependent on animals and all suffering from lack of adequate preparation time.





Or they have similar footprint sizes because they are built within the parameters of what current construction materials can handle. I think this is analogous to the pyramids but not for the reason you have given. Materials and technology impose certain constraints on the builders. Pyramids have a similarity because of the constraints of piling stones on top of each other in what is essentially a heap. Skyscrapers have a similarity because of the constraints of steel girder frames.

Von Danikens output does not meet minimal standadrs of scholarship in history, paleontology, archeology or just plain physical science. His notion that the Ark of the Covenant was a transmitter of some sort is just utter nonsense.

He liberally mixes unbridled speculation with a very thin mixture of fact.

In a word, von Daniken is a BS artist, but his books sell well to the gullible and scientifically ignorant folks who are clearly in the majority.

ruveyn

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