23 Feb 2015, 12:47 pm
Grommit wrote:
Nature = knowledge = Wisdom = True aka God.
Words on there own are emptier vessels but so many of these words that adhogday writes are true resonance with aka god nature and a higher wisdom which is only achieved through what can only be described sometimes as the pits of hell.
We live in hell everyday if we choose to be, some choose to make it hellish for others and both of them is sad.
Admittedly you have a right to live in hell, but most people are asking for redemption, to see the light, who wants to spend an eternal life in hell?
Remember hell and god are metaphors for what is bad and good
Hell being: pain, torture, suffering, greed.
And god meaning, peace, unconditional love, a resonance with the universe, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, hope.
Of course hell isn't necessarily a bad place and sometimes can not be avoided. But hell can teach you things that you never expected.
I think that if someone was to commit suicide, mass genocide then I would say they were all ready a tortured soul, and what that does is when people take these actions it causes more tortured souls and the cycle can be never ending.
But It takes souls to break cycles, and we still have free will at this point.
When you have lived in a live or die situation, I choose life, and people like adhogday now officially known as Aka Yoda only enforce that belief for me.
The purpose is people can lift each other out of the pits of hell through Aka = knowledge = wisdom and understanding and accept that we truly are all one and united as human.
If thousands of people disagreed with hitler then hitler would not have had an army.
The free will of hitler and many others could be a Definition of hell.
Learning from the past and identifying mistakes made through human evolution, and not making the same mistakes again is god.
People that inflict pain to others intentionally is hell.
Sharing hope is god.
The narrator on here, is extremely knowledgeable about religion yet = has got a fascinating and brilliant view point towards everything, and I can tell that narrator has uncovered much wisdom which could be described as god.
And I am not actually talking about god as in the man. I'm afraid you have been blinded by the definition of GOD, because god can be achieved in other ways,
Definition:
Kraftiecortie masters the art of language and he has a multiplex of words, in my world this is poetry. A passageway to communication.
Some people are maths gods
Some people are science gods
Some people are art gods
Some people are healing gods
Some people are nutritional gods
Some people are poetry gods
Some people are technological advancement gods
Some people are toilet gods
Some people are funny gods
Some people are entertainment gods
Some people are rock gods
Some people are people gods
Some people are animal gods
I would expect to find these three people I mentioned here sitting in a space cafe in the far reach of the solar system, sharing the wisdom and listening to 5th dimension
Anything that could potentially be human suffering could be described as hell
For now I try to live on the good side of the force and to not be tempted by the dark side.
The yin and yang is a perfect representation of natures forces at work.
Words on there own are emptier vessels but so many of these words that adhogday writes are true resonance with aka god nature and a higher wisdom which is only achieved through what can only be described sometimes as the pits of hell.
We live in hell everyday if we choose to be, some choose to make it hellish for others and both of them is sad.
Admittedly you have a right to live in hell, but most people are asking for redemption, to see the light, who wants to spend an eternal life in hell?
Remember hell and god are metaphors for what is bad and good
Hell being: pain, torture, suffering, greed.
And god meaning, peace, unconditional love, a resonance with the universe, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, hope.
Of course hell isn't necessarily a bad place and sometimes can not be avoided. But hell can teach you things that you never expected.
I think that if someone was to commit suicide, mass genocide then I would say they were all ready a tortured soul, and what that does is when people take these actions it causes more tortured souls and the cycle can be never ending.
But It takes souls to break cycles, and we still have free will at this point.
When you have lived in a live or die situation, I choose life, and people like adhogday now officially known as Aka Yoda only enforce that belief for me.
The purpose is people can lift each other out of the pits of hell through Aka = knowledge = wisdom and understanding and accept that we truly are all one and united as human.
If thousands of people disagreed with hitler then hitler would not have had an army.
The free will of hitler and many others could be a Definition of hell.
Learning from the past and identifying mistakes made through human evolution, and not making the same mistakes again is god.
People that inflict pain to others intentionally is hell.
Sharing hope is god.
The narrator on here, is extremely knowledgeable about religion yet = has got a fascinating and brilliant view point towards everything, and I can tell that narrator has uncovered much wisdom which could be described as god.
And I am not actually talking about god as in the man. I'm afraid you have been blinded by the definition of GOD, because god can be achieved in other ways,
Definition:
Kraftiecortie masters the art of language and he has a multiplex of words, in my world this is poetry. A passageway to communication.
Some people are maths gods
Some people are science gods
Some people are art gods
Some people are healing gods
Some people are nutritional gods
Some people are poetry gods
Some people are technological advancement gods
Some people are toilet gods
Some people are funny gods
Some people are entertainment gods
Some people are rock gods
Some people are people gods
Some people are animal gods
I would expect to find these three people I mentioned here sitting in a space cafe in the far reach of the solar system, sharing the wisdom and listening to 5th dimension
Anything that could potentially be human suffering could be described as hell
For now I try to live on the good side of the force and to not be tempted by the dark side.
The yin and yang is a perfect representation of natures forces at work.
Thanks.. very wise words.. of Wisdom.. Truth.. and LIGHT..
AND in a way 'we' ARE ALREADY FULFILLING THIS
'PROPHECY' BY LED ZEPPELIN.
TO SEE GOD IN ALL..
IS TO EXCLUDE
NoNE.
23 Feb 2015, 12:49 pm
23 Feb 2015, 1:37 pm
Grommit wrote:
What's with all the speech bubbles lol. Thats quite a good representation of the 12th dimension
Quetzalcoatl farms lol
Quetzalcoatl farms lol
The speech bubbles are Just ENHANCED free association IN A THETA BRAIN WAVE WAY TRANCE LIKE DANCE IN BETWEEN WAKING AND DREAM STATE to BLOOM overall creativity.
Interestingly, "The Beatles" use many kinds of random cultural artifacts in their creative free association process from circus flyers to occult leaning text and 'we' all Know NOW how that workS for them, OVERALL.. QUITE WELL.. i MIGHT ADD.
The thing about free association and metaphors, in general, is people, the consumers of the original free associated ART FORM FROM CREATION ACTIVITY IN CREATIVE ART MIND can AND DO find 'their' own meaning in the ART, whether or not intended by the creator of those FREE associations and metaphors in ART or not.
GOD is ART to me.
me to ART is GOD.
OH!.. and this is one of my favorites from the Beatles..
'Mr. KITE'...
And amusingly so.. i kinda look like the statue in the ground
of the funeral art on the Album cover..
Particularly when one magnifies it bigger...
JUST A random statue from the home of John Lennon..
IS all that IS...
Yes.. reality is
so much stranger
and mysterious...
than fiction alone..
as again all is ALLONE..
And as Mark Twain states..
IN PARAPHRASE HERE..
REALITY AIN'T GOTTA MAKE SENSE!
And OH god! I'm glad i am no longer
'made of stone' with no heArt..
sOul.. or spirIt flow....
stONe
or noT...
AND YES.. MY ULTIMATE 'DREAM
IN REALITY' IS TO BE COMPARED
TO THAT
STATUE..
..BY someONE else...
A better compliment to me than the comparison of others to
GOD, Jesus, Buddha, Yoda, or Superman....
But perhaps i am the ONLY one WHO can make that comparison...
..AS although 'we' are ALLONE WE ARE ALL UNIQUE TOO.. ASonE..aLone...
So in other words, 'WE' ARE ALL THAT STATUE alone as ALLONE.
BUT not likely 'The BEATLES' PER metaphor intended that metaphor OR NOT..
"And of course Henry the Horse.. 'dances the walk'..."..
23 Feb 2015, 2:06 pm
And yes.. there are a 'few' other folks who suggest 'The Beatles' are 'Prophets'.. as pArt of 'some' kind of 'Ultimate Truth'..
http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-with-religion/beatles-prophets.html
AS yes, 'we' 'Alone' are ALL in a realITy that is Tapestry ALLONE and NOT 'sense' alone...
23 Feb 2015, 2:45 pm
23 Feb 2015, 3:32 pm
Grommit wrote:
I don't mind being the statue either.
I think prophet is a strong word, i don't know of any prophet.
I don't know what the ultimate truth is other than to try to be happy with oneself
I think prophet is a strong word, i don't know of any prophet.
I don't know what the ultimate truth is other than to try to be happy with oneself
Yes.. and that's precisely my interpretation of 'The Statue'..
A journey within...
with or with out help from others..
23 Feb 2015, 3:34 pm
23 Feb 2015, 3:40 pm
Grommit wrote:
Wow I think gods after me no lie there is some serious lighting outside my window, I'm not religious but that's just spooky, I take it back lol
SynchroniCiTy.. A LanguAge of GOD..
SoMe folKs cAll 'IT' 'GOD wInks'..
OtHer folks calL iT...
A perSonAl relaTionShip WitH
GOD.
23 Feb 2015, 3:43 pm
aghogday wrote:
Grommit wrote:
I don't mind being the statue either.
I think prophet is a strong word, i don't know of any prophet.
I don't know what the ultimate truth is other than to try to be happy with oneself
I think prophet is a strong word, i don't know of any prophet.
I don't know what the ultimate truth is other than to try to be happy with oneself
Yes.. and that's precisely my interpretation of 'The Statue'..
A journey within...
with or with out help from others..Yes I understand, I'm willing to go along with it, lol that was so strange, I think I am going to stop talking about god for the time being. lol
23 Feb 2015, 3:45 pm
Grommit wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Grommit wrote:
I don't mind being the statue either.
I think prophet is a strong word, i don't know of any prophet.
I don't know what the ultimate truth is other than to try to be happy with oneself
I think prophet is a strong word, i don't know of any prophet.
I don't know what the ultimate truth is other than to try to be happy with oneself
Yes.. and that's precisely my interpretation of 'The Statue'..
A journey within...
with or with out help from others..Yes I understand, I'm willing to go along with it, lol that was so strange, I think I am going to stop talking about god for the time being. lol
!
23 Feb 2015, 4:47 pm
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23 Feb 2015, 7:40 pm
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23 Feb 2015, 10:25 pm
23 Feb 2015, 11:45 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Narrator wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
People DO choose instant gratification to long-term detriment. So why is choosing eternal torment after living a life rejecting God really such a surprise to anyone? Do you really believe it's unthinkable? You're basically describing yourself, after all.
No, I'm not describing myself... you're attempting to describe me... and failing.
I'm old-school... delayed gratification... as in, want it, then save for it.
And my choice of belief has taken several decades of learning and thought. Nothing instant there.
But do go on. You made a big post about instant gratification to answer a simple question.
Do you believe that all of us who are not choosing your god, are wanting eternal suffering?
That's the argument you are buying into here.
I'm not buying into any argument. I'm trying to answer a question, and I believe it's a question you already know the answer to.
Do I think drug addicts want rotten teeth, fried brains, disease, etc.? No. And I don't think you want the consequences of living eternally apart from God any more than drug addicts want to destroy themselves. So why do it?
Obviously, I know why drug addicts stay on drugs…fear of withdrawal. But if you know that's coming, why experiment with addictive hard drugs in the first place? You know withdrawal will make you sick. You know you have to take more drugs to fend it off. And you know that pattern will eventually kill you. So why start in the first place?
No, I don't think you WANT eternal torment. But you aren't afraid of it enough to change your cognitive behavior any more than an addict is afraid of self-destruction enough to get off drugs. You know it's coming, but you've spent years in thought and study rationalizing it away. I think I can reasonably assume you're getting what you want out of this world and not all that concerned about the next one.
Think Pascal's Wager, with a slight twist: If you're wrong and you lose everything, is the kind of God who would commend your soul to eternal torment really the kind of God you'd want to spend eternity with, anyway?
Interesting answer. It contradicts Sophisticated's belief, but hey, perhaps you didn't notice that.
If you're going for 'fear' being any kind of motivation, let alone a prime motivation, then it's not a good one. During several decades as a Christian, fear was not what kept me there. But it is one of the things that made it difficult to leave. My thinking eventually came to this: I no longer believe, but can I take the risk? It's a pathetic position to be in, and anyone who has been in it may have some empathy for that. Eventually, you decide that integrity is what matters. If you can no longer reconcile what you once believed with the way your knowledge and understanding has evolved, then staying in is just faking it. That's where Pascal is wrong. If your heart and mind aren't in it, you can't just mouth the words and expect to escape the fire. The New Testament is pretty clear on that.
Pascal's wager makes no sense to anyone who believes in integrity.
Nor is it a case of "knowing it is coming." It would be completely irrational and also a lack of integrity, to "know" somethings is coming and not try to avoid it. I don't buy into irrational things and I hold integrity high (if you hadn't already guessed
)And sticking with the same theme, a person who "rationalizes something away," has to have a reason to want to do so. Why would I, having invested nearly 4 decades in my faith, and having no need or desire to skirt around it, wish to rationalize it away? What is my motivation? I tell you that my only motivation is/was truth.
Early in my Christian life, I studied theology and I learned how deeply people can be conned by dogma. I wanted the knowledge part of my faith to be based on proper theology. I spent time with Catholics and Pentecostals, Baptists and Lutherans, Presbyterians and Anglicans, and several others. Each had conflicting dogmas, and half of them don't believe the other half are 'saved.' I read Paul getting pissed at the Corinthians. "Some say I am of Paul, and some say I am of Apollos. Has Christ been divided?" I felt the same way! So I quested for truth. I wanted my faith to be based on "meat," on what I learned, not on the "milk" I being was fed. I wanted my faith to be on solid ground, not washed away like the house built on sand.
Yet to hear the way you and Soph talk... you do not respect that quest, turning it into some sordid rationalized escape, motivated by the some negative need to evade of God.
But then... I remember when I was a Christian. I was so convinced of my faith that I was similarly dismissive. And you really do have to be dismissive, because the alternative is to allow for the possibility that you could be wrong.
24 Feb 2015, 12:11 am
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