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28 Jan 2015, 2:08 pm

...the left.

First of all I don't consider myself a leftist or rightist but do think of myself as a Common Sensist. However, if I have an opinion that those on the right perceive to be the same as those on the left, the right always want to silence it and accuse me of trolling just for having an opinion and I don't even claim to be a leftist or on the left. I am not in that paradigm. It's so hypocritical and ironic those who hate PC and censorship are often the first ones to censor anyone who merely has a different opinion.



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28 Jan 2015, 5:25 pm

Both right and left sometimes want to censor opposing views. Both right and left are sometimes happy for existing views to exist; either they can learn from them, or they can more productively educate through open discussion than through suppression.

In recent years, the right have generally been keener on censorship. See Section 28 as an example. The left's more liberal attitude has seen them win the culture war, and now much of the left is getting complacent and the pendulum is swinging back the other way - see the Oxbridge abortion debate that was shut down in case it made people feel "unsafe".



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28 Jan 2015, 6:55 pm

As scientific research shows, generally speaking, folks who are not open to new experiences trend toward the conservative side of the political spectrum.

In general, If it doesn't fit 'their' established paradigms of life it can scare the pants off of some of them, to use a metaphor.

It is best to ignore them, as actually in some cases, it may be an innate and/or environmentally influenced biological propensity that simply makes them nervous that they cannot change.

Of course, if you are actually censored that is something to be concerned about but little threats without any credible authority are not much use to worry over, in my opinion.

To understand more of human nature, as it affects folks differently, is part of the greater potential to master one's own experience of life.

People are similar but different in many ways, both innately and environmentally, of course.


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29 Jan 2015, 12:23 am

I did regret responding and deleted what I typed because I thought it might come back on me. It is a good idea to just not comment because people will not listen to anything that isn't a complaint which mimics their own.



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29 Jan 2015, 1:09 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...the left.

First of all I don't consider myself a leftist or rightist but do think of myself as a Common Sensist. However, if I have an opinion that those on the right perceive to be the same as those on the left, the right always want to silence it and accuse me of trolling just for having an opinion and I don't even claim to be a leftist or on the left. I am not in that paradigm. It's so hypocritical and ironic those who hate PC and censorship are often the first ones to censor anyone who merely has a different opinion.


As a Humanist, I do pick some things from the left and right to support. I am an Economic Conservative, and a Social Liberal. I favor Humane long term Economics and responsible social behavior.

I find the right is willing to listen, but the left sees me as an enemy.

I belong to a writers group, recently invaded by some women who are objecting to everything men write about women characters. They do not write, or submit work for review by the group, just let every man know something about my soggy knees. They are Social Justice Warriors who are going to the source of public opinion, writers, and subjecting us to political reeducation.

Now we write porn, about how a woman rose to her position by sex and blackmail. Our women characters belong on a curb under a street light, but have become wealthy by being serial brides, the sex toy of the boss, and the unexplained sudden illness of anyone in their way.

The right has never expressed an opinion.

We are supposed to be science fiction, horror, and fantasy. leftist claim the arts, and now claim the right to regulate art. They are objecting to future art.

We create worlds where the leftist win, then due to a lack of thinking, or wishful thinking, the country falls apart, and step at a time their true nature comes forth, as cannibal groups war with each other to devour the remaining population. Only greedy people would not share their flesh with a hungry world. They must be made to share the wealth with the Social Collective. The word cannibal has been banned, it is now called Social Adjustment.

We like them, there is nothing like something to push back to get the creative juices flowing.

The greatest force in human nature is backlash against something absurd.



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29 Jan 2015, 1:55 am

I find the above post disturbing. (not the OP's)

Leftists and rightists, it's all really a bunch of BS.



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29 Jan 2015, 9:43 am

political correctness is thought censorship



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29 Jan 2015, 10:25 am

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...the left.

First of all I don't consider myself a leftist or rightist but do think of myself as a Common Sensist. However, if I have an opinion that those on the right perceive to be the same as those on the left, the right always want to silence it and accuse me of trolling just for having an opinion and I don't even claim to be a leftist or on the left. I am not in that paradigm. It's so hypocritical and ironic those who hate PC and censorship are often the first ones to censor anyone who merely has a different opinion.


As a Humanist, I do pick some things from the left and right to support. I am an Economic Conservative, and a Social Liberal. I favor Humane long term Economics and responsible social behavior.

I find the right is willing to listen, but the left sees me as an enemy.

I belong to a writers group, recently invaded by some women who are objecting to everything men write about women characters. They do not write, or submit work for review by the group, just let every man know something about my soggy knees. They are Social Justice Warriors who are going to the source of public opinion, writers, and subjecting us to political reeducation.

Now we write porn, about how a woman rose to her position by sex and blackmail. Our women characters belong on a curb under a street light, but have become wealthy by being serial brides, the sex toy of the boss, and the unexplained sudden illness of anyone in their way.

The right has never expressed an opinion.

We are supposed to be science fiction, horror, and fantasy. leftist claim the arts, and now claim the right to regulate art. They are objecting to future art.

We create worlds where the leftist win, then due to a lack of thinking, or wishful thinking, the country falls apart, and step at a time their true nature comes forth, as cannibal groups war with each other to devour the remaining population. Only greedy people would not share their flesh with a hungry world. They must be made to share the wealth with the Social Collective. The word cannibal has been banned, it is now called Social Adjustment.

We like them, there is nothing like something to push back to get the creative juices flowing.

The greatest force in human nature is backlash against something absurd.


I understand what you are saying here, as a creative writer, and I can certainly identify with this.

Part of the reason I come here is for JUST that inspiration. ;)

And as a financially independent person, I have nothing to lose by not satisfying ALL THE readers in the herd either in my creative writing just for fun, or here as an independently thinking person who can find a friend in a stranger on almost any 'REAL Street Corner' in life. :)

And my creativity extends into a kind of physical creativity in dance and photography that blows many minds out there in the herd on and offline and I just keep smiling knowing I am free to do as I please, within the laws of the land. :)

To master the laws in the U.S. can be to TRULY BE FREE....

It's truly a good place to live for those of us who use the U.S. to really be free..:)

And this boy who was born to be wild and free, is finally an undomesticated MAN AND free, and I am no longer jealous of the motorcycle riders on the highways of life that express the same kind of freedom...like you, my friend...;)


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29 Jan 2015, 10:30 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I did regret responding and deleted what I typed because I thought it might come back on me. It is a good idea to just not comment because people will not listen to anything that isn't a complaint which mimics their own.


I am much more careful here than I would be almost anywhere else offline or online, as I realize some people do not have the ability to read between the lines.

That's not my form of Autism as I have extreme skills in that area.

And obviously, it is not Inventor's issue either, and part of why I have NEVER HAD problems understanding his communication, where other folks here have identified it as disturbing, gibberish or whatever, just as they have with my communication at times, where I try to metaphor deeper meanings rather than staying IN math-like language with dead emotional expression in words.

One of the greatest forms of censorship, per potential causal factors, is simply not understanding all forms of communication, and sometimes that can be an inherent, environmentally produced, or mix of both, in causal factors that DO LEAD to these type of misunderstandings.

I cannot imagine anything in text getting me TRULY EMOTIONALLY upset but on the other hand, I have been to real PHYSICAL HUMAN HELL, so perhaps that makes me more resilient than most HUMANS TO the little nit picky crap in life.....


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29 Jan 2015, 12:22 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...the left.
First of all I don't consider myself a leftist or rightist but do think of myself as a Common Sensist.
Mmm hmm, well your threads and posts sure seem to be predominantly leftist.

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However, if I have an opinion that those on the right perceive to be the same as those on the left, the right always want to silence it and accuse me of trolling just for having an opinion....

So what? No one on the right has ever had someone on the left try to sensor them or call them a troll?
Back when this forum was still very active I've been called troll (and an @sshole, a douchebag, a knave, to name a few) for expressing my opinions a bunch of times. I got a kick out of it and just gave them more of............you guessed it.....trollery, assholery, douchebaggery, and knavery by the bucket full. I enjoyed it immensely and they did all the crying they had intended for me to do. :lol:

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......and I don't even claim to be a leftist or on the left. I am not in that paradigm.

You don't have to claim it. My dog doesnt claim to be a dog but that doesnt make him any less a dog. What is just is.

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It's so hypocritical and ironic those who hate PC and censorship are often the first ones to censor anyone who merely has a different opinion.

You'll find hypocrisy on both sides of the political aisle. The fact that you don't (or won't) see that makes you particularly partisan.


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29 Jan 2015, 12:24 pm

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The fact that you don't (or won't) see that makes you particularly parisian.

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30 Jan 2015, 9:56 am

What concrete examples are there of right-wingers trying to censor are there?

I can think of the time they organized to get warning labels put on music albums, or tried to ban the teaching of homosexuality to children.

It should be the parent's choice if they want homosexuality taught to their child.



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30 Jan 2015, 10:28 am

slenkar wrote:
What concrete examples are there of right-wingers trying to censor are there?


Well far right, as in fascist governments make no apology about censorship.

Far left government the same, in fact there is barely any difference in practice.

It is really a question of the individual beliefs.



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30 Jan 2015, 10:34 am

Tbh honest UK politics is stupid enough as it is, if it was at the level of the “liberal”/“contard” slanging matches over the pond, I might just get a lobotomy.

It is getting old fast. It just proves that people don't have a great deal of originality, deductive capability, or their own ideas when it come to politics.

People are still largely attracted tot he idea of manifesto politic. This demostrates that the public at large are unrealistic.



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30 Jan 2015, 10:39 am

Very few "censorship"/"freedom of speech" issue in the UK or States, actually have to do with a direct threat to those rights. Rather it is more around reactions and consequences to things said, or social taboos.

In some countries to do have laws where certain views, are crimes. Holocaust denial is one. Those countries would argue that these ideas are dangerous. To be clear I think Holocaust denial is stupid, and I don't agree. However once one idea is a crime, it is shaky ground.



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30 Jan 2015, 10:50 am

slenkar wrote:
What concrete examples are there of right-wingers trying to censor are there?

I can think of the time they organized to get warning labels put on music albums, or tried to ban the teaching of homosexuality to children.

It should be the parent's choice if they want homosexuality taught to their child.


What does the phrase "teaching homosexuality to children" mean?