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04 Feb 2015, 9:00 pm

Art is art. I see it as an act of creation, exploration and imagination. It's a sacred place. Some see it this way also but others simply see it as a series of calculations that can only be performed after a series of instructions are experienced and followed and that's the only legitimate art.

Outsider Art is created when people who have never had formal art education, or, perhaps, very little, explore their psyches, finding that sacred refuge in which to go and we get the product of that, whatever they created while in that beloved Zone.

I dislike the term Outsider Art. It's as if those who formalized their art and feel they are supremely talented are trying to marginalize the spiritual art of the person seeking refuge which is the most sacred form. Why do they have to call it Outsider Art? Sounds so cliquey and excluding to put art in that category.


How snooty of them!



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04 Feb 2015, 9:48 pm

I'm an outsider artist. I've never shown in a gallery or made a website.



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04 Feb 2015, 10:36 pm

To me a metaphor for art that is color by numbers is truly not art and instead closer to systemizing science...

Here is my Outsider Art at Super Wal-mArt Saturday as i celebrate doing this odd mix of balanced dancing 3000 miles now in 17 months...

My art of dance has been shared on Facebook literally thousands of times by hundreds of Outsider Artists taking videos of me in stores with their smart phones and uploading it on Facebook...

I just do it 'cause it feels GREAT!

AND my wife videotapes me doing it here for about 50 seconds at Super-Walmart.. but it is nothing like the fast moving style i do in Rave Dance Halls...

My wife won't go at all.. to the Rave Bar.. as it scares her.. thinking i'm gonna fall or run in to someone..;)



I refuse to do anything with Art that requires color by numbers.. guidelines.. or instructions...

I do it to escape the mind of mechanical cognition...

If I want science, I'll read a research paper..;)


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05 Feb 2015, 2:25 am

I am trying to picture you dancing like that in fast motion, Aghogday. Next time you go to a rave, you should try to have it videotaped. That would be neat if you posted it.



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05 Feb 2015, 9:18 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am trying to picture you dancing like that in fast motion, Aghogday. Next time you go to a rave, you should try to have it videotaped. That would be neat if you posted it.


Thanks Ana.. I'll try to find someone sober enough to do that.. As usually I am the only sober one.. And when I do I'll share it with you on one of your threads.. As there seems to be a small minority of folks in PPR who understand the fuller importance of Physical and overall Art and Emotional intelligences...:)

I would not want to annoy their 'sensibilities'..;)


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06 Feb 2015, 1:44 am

I would posit that art (any medium) is about expression. "High art" simply speaks to more people and/or has somehow been deemed historically significant.


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06 Feb 2015, 2:08 am

I really like that aghogday. Thanks for sharing.

I wish more people would dance in stores.



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06 Feb 2015, 9:06 am

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I really like that aghogday. Thanks for sharing.

I wish more people would dance in stores.


You're welcome heavenlyabyss...

One reason i do it in public is in hopes of inspiring more people to move creatively in balance..

But i do a much better job of seeing results at the Rave Dance Hall...

Younger people.. as always.. in general.. are more malleable to change..:)


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06 Feb 2015, 10:57 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I dislike the term Outsider Art. It's as if those who formalized their art and feel they are supremely talented are trying to marginalize the spiritual art of the person seeking refuge which is the most sacred form. Why do they have to call it Outsider Art? Sounds so cliquey and excluding to put art in that category.


How snooty of them!


How snooty indeed! It's quite patronizing. Here's a bit from a blog post of a similarly annoyed person.

http://opheliasmirror.org/2013/08/08/my-problem-with-outsider-art/

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The passive, submissive stance that most Outsider Artists are asked to take in the very role of being an Outsider means that they are pandered and helped along by inner art world galleries who show their work as a side show. The disabled mentality that Outsider Artists are encouraged to take, and therefore become, reinforces the incapability to actually make some sort of viable opposition to the inner sanctum of the nepotistic, incestuous art world. Where, to get a show in the inner art world, you need to have gone to the RA for example, to talk and network, and be liked as a person, irrespective of the work.


The marginalization is intentional, and part of the marketing that the inner sanctum does when putting on an "Outsider Art" gallery show.



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06 Feb 2015, 2:05 pm

Janissy wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I dislike the term Outsider Art. It's as if those who formalized their art and feel they are supremely talented are trying to marginalize the spiritual art of the person seeking refuge which is the most sacred form. Why do they have to call it Outsider Art? Sounds so cliquey and excluding to put art in that category.


How snooty of them!


How snooty indeed! It's quite patronizing. Here's a bit from a blog post of a similarly annoyed person.

http://opheliasmirror.org/2013/08/08/my-problem-with-outsider-art/

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The passive, submissive stance that most Outsider Artists are asked to take in the very role of being an Outsider means that they are pandered and helped along by inner art world galleries who show their work as a side show. The disabled mentality that Outsider Artists are encouraged to take, and therefore become, reinforces the incapability to actually make some sort of viable opposition to the inner sanctum of the nepotistic, incestuous art world. Where, to get a show in the inner art world, you need to have gone to the RA for example, to talk and network, and be liked as a person, irrespective of the work.


The marginalization is intentional, and part of the marketing that the inner sanctum does when putting on an "Outsider Art" gallery show.


And truly that's the beauty of freedom of information and first amendment right OF Freedom of Expression.

I started doing poetic expression as totally disabled almost completely shut-in person in my bedroom, just a little less that two years ago.

And now well over a million folks have viewed MY ART on the free avenue of Google Blogger, You Tube, ETC., PER my clearing house of ART on Google PLUS, and there are so many other avenues I use that generates tens of thousands of connections of my soul or MORE to the soul of others through Art.

I am financially independent so it is the Art that is all that counts for me.

I am no insider, I am an outsider, and if I am a copyrighted insider that only shows their art to privileged circles, I might have 10 thousand views or several thousand poetic expressions viewed in 'chap books' sold but it is not the goal that I am after, it is the sharing of the human heArt, soul, and spirit that are a trinity of the same dam thing.

And with or without the structured guidelines of 'THE insiderART WORLD', I and literally millions of other FREELANCE ARTISTS ARE SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT 'WE' DO, NO matter what our social status or socio economic status might say different.

Screw snooty.

That's NOT an avenue of Art to or for me. :)

And truly art rescued me from a cold dead soul that lost its affect for both humanity and nature.

There is nothing more priceless than a he and art connected as HEART.

AND YES, I do 'new age' male nude renaissance self art at age 54, FULL BLOWN.

AND THAT IS PERHAPS the so-called gayest thing the insider ART WORLD PROCLAIMS, A middle age straight MAN CAN DO.

BUT NAH, I HAVE PLENTY OF VIEWERS AND VIEWERS IN THE WORLD of Freelance poetry who ARE females too, now closing in on 10K views just on that one RESTRICTED ADULT BLOG.

I GO WHERE NO to few to no other STRAIGHT middle aged men go before, and not even where so-called mainstream INSIDER Art DARES TO GO, for now.

THE vehicle and vessel is open, to house the ART, AND IT IS the Internet, and a brave new Renaissance of FREE ART AS HeArt that IS HERE.

BY the way, it is estimated that only about 5 percent of the real general population gained any benefit from the last ART Renaissance.

Now all it takes is an open mind, heart, emotion, imagination, ART, AND a smart phone camera, keyboard, Google, and other free mediums for art, AND access to the Internet, AND anyone can become a budding Michelangelo or whomever, whatever, wherever they imagine to DO and GO WITH, MOST importantly, IN expressing their own unique HUMAN NATURE IN creation activity and NOT COPY ANYONE ELSE, with color by numbers Inside ART ways of structured guideline systemization that is closer to Science than Art, in my opinion.

Free Verse poetry comes well before, and is alive in ancient days, before Whitman and counterparts in the last couple of centuries bring it back to life, after the snobby, prudish, Victorian way of life.

FREE VERSE IS back again, IN wAY MORE THAN WORDS, traveling much faster FREE IN OUTSIDER ART than Insider ArT can even come up, keep up with, or come close to NOW.

Repression, oppression, and subjugation of human nature through all 'Victorian' ways OF killing human libido are the true killers of human imagination, creativity, ART, and even what human productivity can be when human LIBIDO IS UNBOUND FROM THE CHAINS OF RELIGION AND CULTURE.

And to be crystal clear, Science now shows that HUMAN LUST IS A CORE driving force of human creativity and productivity.

Yes, William Blake, IS CORRECT, TOTALLY CORRECT, PER HIS message tHere, even though HE WAS CONSIDERED INSANE DURING his lifetime, from the SNOOTY INSIDERS OF PRUDISH VICTORIAN WAYS OF art of LIFE.

NOW, for those who stay in that era, and refuse to change, It is ONLY their loss, in what ART CAN BE, when set totally free in human 'LUST FOR LIFE' IN ALL THINGS LIVING and created AS FREE ART in fuller FREE CREATION ACTIVITY.


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12 Mar 2015, 9:49 am

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Wow, quite possibly the gayest thing I've ever seen.



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12 Mar 2015, 11:12 am

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Wow, quite possibly the gayest thing I've ever seen.


Oh, so we have a homophobe, in the audience.

I love toying with homophobe dudes, who have not a clue that true power comes from grace like Bruce Lee, and not macho B.S.

However, by doing ballet I have also increased my leg pressing power in parallel leg press to 930LBS, and trust me in real life, you would never say that to my face, if you wanted to keep a face. And to be clear I don't need to fight, I can melt someone to their knees with just one glare of my werewolf face.

Or my gorilla growl OR MAYBE A LION OR TIGER ROAR OR GROWL, IT'S HARD TO 'TALE' SOMETIMES.

THE OPTIONS ARE ENDLESS.....



Oh, and yeah, I'm also considered a Kung FU expert, BY MILITARY SPECIALISTS TEACHING THAT as one of my MANY other special interestS is Martial ARTS, if you can imagine Bruce Lee, or Chuck Norris, with the ability to kick with a half-a-ton of lightening fast POWERED kicks at 233 LBS, instead of Chuck at 170, and Bruce at 130.

And I can prove that too. And quite honestly I dance gay, too, as I do not like homophobic behavior FROM LITTLE DUDES, and I love to toy with them, when they take the bait.

In my experience, every single homophobic behavior is an indication that someone is seriously afraid that they themselves are gay. I have photos with at least 150 gorgeous girls linked here, in addition to my Indian Princess looking wife who never ages, SO I AM NOT AFRAID TO SHOW GRACE IN MOVES THAT POWER MY MARTIAL ARTS KICK A** WAYS..:)

And by the way, you will never ever have a wife as beautiful as mine, and I can prove that too, WITH YES, IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE TOO.

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But thanks for coming by, and you can see more of my muscles and graceful dance, and singing just like Elton John, in the link below. But if that is too much trouble I WILL provide that here, too.

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2015/03/12/arthur-forest-dude-set-free-in-pan-of-action/



I would love to meet you in person; now THAT would be super fun; AT LEAST FOR ME,

As you are not even brave enough to show your face, here..;)

And the best thing of all, IS, 'GOD' 'sent you here', whether you realize that or not, to provide me just another opportunity to spread the 'good news' of the higher power of 'GOD', in me.

Thanks Bud, you did just did just what I AND 'GOD', wanted you to do, WITH PERFECT TIMING, I MIGHT ADD.

I'm stronger and smarter, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, MORE CREATIVE, than you will ever know..;)

And I CAN be as gay looking as I want, and still have 150 girl FRIENDS, who are more gorgeous than you could get close to, without a face, OR A GRACEFUL DANCE, for sure..;)

And again, yes, I can prove that too..:)

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/12/09/gods-muse-of-dance/

I come armed with ALL THE FACTS AND ART, BETTER THAN THE FRIGGING 'TERMINATOR' 6 OR WHATEVER..;)

IF you weren't afraid to be 'A REAL MAN', IN NATURE'S TRUE BALANCE IN ART OF MIND AND BODY BALANCE, YOU COULD DO THIS TOO.

AND TRULY that's the saddest part of A gender, OVERALL that is failing, for basic human success, at the most rudimentary levels of human being, as evolved, naturally.

I for one, choose girls, ALL the time, who I for one, am out to 'SOULY' impress, and as the links SHOW WITH CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE, 'BOY', DO THEY LOVE WHAT I FOR ONE, CAN DO, FROM HEAD TO TOE, BABY..;)

IF you think this is fun online, you have no idea how much fun I have in real life doing JUST THIS, BABY!..:)

THERE ARE many homophobes in my RED STATE 'TOBACCO CHEWING' FUNDAMENTALIST RED STATE area, who have their 'tales' between their legs now..;)

And that is part of my mission, in this lifetime, to TERMINATE THAT AS WELL.

You can call me PETER PAN OR THE TERMINATOR, AS I CAN DO BOTH BABY, BETTER THAN 'SUPERMAN'..:)

HAVE a nice day.

OH 'GOD', it's FUN TO BE ME!..:)

AND YES,

"I'M BACK"

..as promise(d)..;)


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