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15 Feb 2015, 10:56 am

When I was an engineering student, back in 1980, I had a fun maths class one time.

It involved the following fractions.
You see, 1/0 is not mathematically possible.
But, if you multiply 1/0 x 0/1 then it simplifies to become 0/0 which = 1.
So, from the impossible, you get 1. Go figure, huh. :P


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15 Feb 2015, 11:18 am

Narrator wrote:
When I was an engineering student, back in 1980, I had a fun maths class one time.

It involved the following fractions.
You see, 1/0 is not mathematically possible.
But, if you multiply 1/0 x 0/1 then it simplifies to become 0/0 which = 1.
So, from the impossible, you get 1. Go figure, huh. :P


You cannot divide or multiple nothingness (zero).

But your answer to 1/0 x 0/1 = 1 is correct.

1/0=1

0/1=0

Therefore 1/0x0/1=1

However your statement; "From the impossible, you get 1" is 100% false.

1/0 is not possible in the real world but 1/0 still equals 1.

This is because you cannot divide 1 by nothing. So it remains 1.



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15 Feb 2015, 11:56 am

sophisticated wrote:
Narrator wrote:
When I was an engineering student, back in 1980, I had a fun maths class one time.

It involved the following fractions.
You see, 1/0 is not mathematically possible.
But, if you multiply 1/0 x 0/1 then it simplifies to become 0/0 which = 1.
So, from the impossible, you get 1. Go figure, huh. :P


You cannot divide or multiple nothingness (zero).

But your answer to 1/0 x 0/1 = 1 is correct.

1/0=1

0/1=0

Therefore 1/0x0/1=1

However your statement; "From the impossible, you get 1" is 100% false.

1/0 is not possible in the real world but 1/0 still equals 1.

This is because you cannot divide 1 by nothing. So it remains 1.

Huh?

Well- first multiply the numerators: one times zero equals zero.
Then multiply the denominators: zero times one equals zero.

So you get zero over zero.

And zero over zero is indeterminant. You could multiply zero by 365 and still get zero. So if you divide zero into zero you get any number you choose.



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15 Feb 2015, 12:01 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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When I was an engineering student, back in 1980, I had a fun maths class one time.

It involved the following fractions.
You see, 1/0 is not mathematically possible.
But, if you multiply 1/0 x 0/1 then it simplifies to become 0/0 which = 1.
So, from the impossible, you get 1. Go figure, huh. :P


You cannot divide or multiple nothingness (zero).

But your answer to 1/0 x 0/1 = 1 is correct.

1/0=1

0/1=0

Therefore 1/0x0/1=1

However your statement; "From the impossible, you get 1" is 100% false.

1/0 is not possible in the real world but 1/0 still equals 1.

This is because you cannot divide 1 by nothing. So it remains 1.

Huh?

Well- first multiply the numerators: one times zero equals zero.
Then multiply the denominators: zero times one equals zero.

So you get zero over zero.

And zero over zero is indeterminant. You could multiply zero by 365 and still get zero. So if you divide zero into zero you get any number you choose.


1 x 0 = 1. and 1 / 0 = 1

Divide 1 cookie by 0.

How many cookies do you have now ? 1.



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15 Feb 2015, 12:10 pm

LOL....Yes, 1 and 1 is two....no disputing that!

But this is not how we arrive at "truth" necessarily.

Sometimes, there is a most circuitous route to "truth" which involves breaking mathematical and logic-type rules.



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15 Feb 2015, 12:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
LOL....Yes, 1 and 1 is two....no disputing that!

But this is not how we arrive at "truth" necessarily.

Sometimes, there is a most circuitous route to "truth" which involves breaking mathematical and logic-type rules.


Not necesarily . 1 plus 1 can equal 1.

e.g. 1 pile of sand + 1 pile of sand = 1 pile of sand.



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15 Feb 2015, 12:19 pm

Somebody should write a lament:

"There is no Algo-Rhythm to Love!



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15 Feb 2015, 12:21 pm

Absolutely, Sophisticated!

I guess, by this principle, 1 God plus 1 God equals 1 God---hence, at least a somewhat amorphous, rather than a sentient, being.



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15 Feb 2015, 12:22 pm

sophisticated wrote:
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LOL....Yes, 1 and 1 is two....no disputing that!

But this is not how we arrive at "truth" necessarily.

Sometimes, there is a most circuitous route to "truth" which involves breaking mathematical and logic-type rules.


Not necesarily . 1 plus 1 can equal 1.

e.g. 1 pile of sand + 1 pile of sand = 1 pile of sand.


This is not math, this is semantics.



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15 Feb 2015, 12:25 pm

'Tis true.

We are bogged down in sematic arguments.

I know I'm reiterating/stating the obvious:

The only proof of the existence of any Supreme Being lies in the faith of the Believer.



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15 Feb 2015, 1:21 pm

sophisticated wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
sophisticated wrote:
Narrator wrote:
When I was an engineering student, back in 1980, I had a fun maths class one time.

It involved the following fractions.
You see, 1/0 is not mathematically possible.
But, if you multiply 1/0 x 0/1 then it simplifies to become 0/0 which = 1.
So, from the impossible, you get 1. Go figure, huh. :P


You cannot divide or multiple nothingness (zero).

But your answer to 1/0 x 0/1 = 1 is correct.

1/0=1

0/1=0

Therefore 1/0x0/1=1

However your statement; "From the impossible, you get 1" is 100% false.

1/0 is not possible in the real world but 1/0 still equals 1.

This is because you cannot divide 1 by nothing. So it remains 1.

Huh?

Well- first multiply the numerators: one times zero equals zero.
Then multiply the denominators: zero times one equals zero.

So you get zero over zero.

And zero over zero is indeterminant. You could multiply zero by 365 and still get zero. So if you divide zero into zero you get any number you choose.


1 x 0 = 1. and 1 / 0 = 1

Divide 1 cookie by 0.

How many cookies do you have now ? 1.


One times zero equals ONE????? Since when?
One times zero equals zero.

How does one over zero equal one?

if you divide one cookie by two you get two half cookies. By ten: ten ten percent sized cookies.

You cant divide something by zero at all.

But even if we go by your "logic": that failing to divide a cookie at all (ie dividing no times) results in one whole cookie. It would still only equal one. So zero times one equals zero. So the result of the equation is zero. Not one!



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15 Feb 2015, 5:07 pm

hahaha

Sorry I dropped that bombshell before I went to bed. But you see how it changed the whole nature of what should be simple "logical" arithmetic. And when people say, "You're just arguing semantics," it's often said as if to make semantics seem like a waste of time. But sometimes semantics highlights important differences in understanding, which can help us to talk with, instead of at people.


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15 Feb 2015, 7:38 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
sophisticated wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
sophisticated wrote:
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When I was an engineering student, back in 1980, I had a fun maths class one time.

It involved the following fractions.
You see, 1/0 is not mathematically possible.
But, if you multiply 1/0 x 0/1 then it simplifies to become 0/0 which = 1.
So, from the impossible, you get 1. Go figure, huh. :P


You cannot divide or multiple nothingness (zero).

But your answer to 1/0 x 0/1 = 1 is correct.

1/0=1

0/1=0

Therefore 1/0x0/1=1

However your statement; "From the impossible, you get 1" is 100% false.

1/0 is not possible in the real world but 1/0 still equals 1.

This is because you cannot divide 1 by nothing. So it remains 1.

Huh?

Well- first multiply the numerators: one times zero equals zero.
Then multiply the denominators: zero times one equals zero.

So you get zero over zero.

And zero over zero is indeterminant. You could multiply zero by 365 and still get zero. So if you divide zero into zero you get any number you choose.


1 x 0 = 1. and 1 / 0 = 1

Divide 1 cookie by 0.

How many cookies do you have now ? 1.


One times zero equals ONE????? Since when?
One times zero equals zero.

How does one over zero equal one?

if you divide one cookie by two you get two half cookies. By ten: ten ten percent sized cookies.

You cant divide something by zero at all.

But even if we go by your "logic": that failing to divide a cookie at all (ie dividing no times) results in one whole cookie. It would still only equal one. So zero times one equals zero. So the result of the equation is zero. Not one!


That's right. That's why when you take an object and divide it by zero, you still have one whole object.

1/0=1 <<< Is just another way of saying that the division is impossible.



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15 Feb 2015, 8:09 pm

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1/0=1 <<< Is just another way of saying that the division is impossible.

When I pick up my old led calculator, and plug in 1 / 0 =
I get a bunch of not numbers...
It comes up with this: E.EEEEEEE
Fascinating!
So I progress. I open up MS Excel, pick a random cell, and type in, =1/0
You have to do that in Excel. It's like it has its own numerical grammar.
It comes up with this: #DIV/0!
Even more fascinating!
While the hash symbol is being ubiquitous, the exclamation point is trying to tell me something.
In 1734, one mathematical fellow called it "ghosts of departed quantities."
Zero seems to be more than just nothing, if it has such an effect on things.


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15 Feb 2015, 8:34 pm

Narrator wrote:
sophisticated wrote:
1/0=1 <<< Is just another way of saying that the division is impossible.

When I pick up my old led calculator, and plug in 1 / 0 =
I get a bunch of not numbers...
It comes up with this: E.EEEEEEE
Fascinating!
So I progress. I open up MS Excel, pick a random cell, and type in, =1/0
You have to do that in Excel. It's like it has its own numerical grammar.
It comes up with this: #DIV/0!
Even more fascinating!
While the hash symbol is being ubiquitous, the exclamation point is trying to tell me something.
In 1734, one mathematical fellow called it "ghosts of departed quantities."
Zero seems to be more than just nothing, if it has such an effect on things.


If zero was more than nothing, then it wouldn't be called zero.



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15 Feb 2015, 8:41 pm

okay.

1/2 is one half .

But 1/ 1/2 equals two.

1 over 1/1000,000 is one million.

Dividing one by positive numbers less than one results in multiplying the number one.

So logically dividing one by the tiniest number of all-zero-would yield: infinity.

So 1/0 = infinity.

Then 0/1 obviously equals zero.

So 1/0 X 0/1 would be "infinity times zero".

Which would be...zero.

Not one!