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20 Feb 2015, 1:09 am

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/\ you're both in for it when I get home tomorrow morning.


I don't care, you probably don't like me and consider me and others here slackers.
this is why I really have no group that I can be in.



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20 Feb 2015, 2:00 am

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Well, if Raptor can have original thoughts similar to others, so can I. Or does that rule only apply to conservatives and libertarians?


You'd have to have an original thought for equality to apply, and so far you haven't. Raptor has evolved significantly over the years on a number of issues, from gay rights to drug policy and many others, while you continue to parrot the same party line you've been squawking since you showed up here, then have the gall to accuse others of being brainwashed or otherwise otherwise speaking in bad faith.

Also, I'd say a good 40% or so of your post count is literally quotes of other people and the words 'what X said', and you can't get much less original than that.

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As for me allegedly having never thought outside the liberal political box - those are my beliefs and values. I think it's more a matter of you and Dox disapproving of those beliefs and values.


I disapprove of a lot of values and beliefs held by many of the people here, but I criticize you specifically for reasons having nothing to do with those, which are that you're dishonest, you're a hypocrite, you constantly slander people who you know nothing about, and you condescend to people who are smarter and better informed than you are. I have no problem with honest disagreement, as numerous other posters here can attest to, I have a rather serious problem with partisan idiocy and hypocrisy, your stock in trade.


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20 Feb 2015, 2:41 am

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To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).


you and others talk like there are no limits on the 2nd amendment. but there are like thousands and thousands of gun laws. there are tons of limits already on guns. the shooting was terrible but you don't go limiting rights further just cause terrible things happen. not a standard you want to set. or next time someone leaks gov info bam, bye freedom of the press.

when you have 15 million people taking ar15s to schools shooting kids then we can talk but when is like 10 people over the years that hardly gives good reason to limit the rights of 150 million or more people.

more people die in car crashes yet we don't put limits on cars that only let them go a max of 55 mph
no they can go 250 or more mph while theres no road in the us that its legal to do so.


Oh, no, I never said there weren't limits on gun rights, but my point was, extremists in the gun rights movement think their rights come before anyone else'. They are the types who claim that fire arm rights are absolute. I had mentioned Sandy Hook as an example to illustrate how those loons are guilty of the most offensive conspiracy theories, where the grief of mourning parents is either disregarded, or even denied.


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20 Feb 2015, 4:59 am

The Gun Control Challenge is still open, though after years of the best and brightest of WP's anti-gun contingent dashing themselves upon its rocks, I'm not particularly hopeful that anyone who knows what they're talking about will emerge.

Here's the basics, in case anyone has forgotten:

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So, for those of you who favor gun control, the challenge is to present examples of successful gun control programs in action, showing why these measures are necessary and demonstrating that the purpose is really to save lives or prevent violence, not just some vague unease around or dislike of firearms. If you just don't like guns, this isn't the thread for you.

Now, the caveats. The US is awash in guns and has a wide range of socio-economic issues unrelated to guns that affect crime and violence, so in order for a valid comparison to be made, the policy in question has to have been:

Imposed on a country where gun ownership was previously common.
Imposed on a country where violence was an actual problem, preferably comparable to the US.
Be shown to have acted independently of other socio-economic variables
Shown to have reduced total violence, not just "gun violence" by significant levels


Basically, show a country where gun control had demonstrably worked; simple, right?


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20 Feb 2015, 6:06 am

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No, I usually state that I'm in favor of a social safety net but not a hammock or words to that effect. It's only the ones lounging on the social safety net that get all butthurt out of a deep sense of guilt and shame......


please define the difference?


The actual needy deserve assistance and the slackers don't.

Psssp.....
The slackers are easy to identify by their whining whenever I use the word "hammock".


define slacker?
define needs assistance?

so if a guy who lost all his limbs and can't work whines when you say hammock hes a slacker. perhaps even though he can't work he still feels guilty for not working and when you talk about it it makes him feel bad that he can't. but guess he's a slacker. or perhaps all the "slackers" should just be disappeared by the government no?

I think most including a hardhearted conservative like me can agree that loss of one's limbs constitutes eligibility for the safety net for life.

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some would say anyone who cant work should be killed, others might say well if they can't move from the neck down then they can get aid, but anyone else is a slacker. luckily the government has a more realistic way of deciding.

If a person is a slacker they'll know it. I don't see anything happening to clean up the safety net of ne'er do wells. I'm not even sure it would be a good idea since a thorough attempt to weed out the slackers would potentially disenfranchise too many of the more deserving.

Really, if you're just looking for a source of butthurt and disheartenment I can be that guy.


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20 Feb 2015, 6:07 am

sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
/\ you're both in for it when I get home tomorrow morning.


I don't care, you probably don't like me and consider me and others here slackers.
this is why I really have no group that I can be in.


Are you one?


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20 Feb 2015, 6:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-

To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).

Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.

A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.


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20 Feb 2015, 10:58 am

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-

To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).

Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.

A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.


I think I demonstrated in my previous posts that I don't demonize all, or even most, gun owners. Rather, I'm talking about the gun fetishists who have been nutso on the subject.


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20 Feb 2015, 1:48 pm

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Well, if Raptor can have original thoughts similar to others, so can I. Or does that rule only apply to conservatives and libertarians?


You'd have to have an original thought for equality to apply, and so far you haven't. Raptor has evolved significantly over the years on a number of issues, from gay rights to drug policy and many others, while you continue to parrot the same party line you've been squawking since you showed up here, then have the gall to accuse others of being brainwashed or otherwise otherwise speaking in bad faith.

Also, I'd say a good 40% or so of your post count is literally quotes of other people and the words 'what X said', and you can't get much less original than that.

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As for me allegedly having never thought outside the liberal political box - those are my beliefs and values. I think it's more a matter of you and Dox disapproving of those beliefs and values.


I disapprove of a lot of values and beliefs held by many of the people here, but I criticize you specifically for reasons having nothing to do with those, which are that you're dishonest, you're a hypocrite, you constantly slander people who you know nothing about, and you condescend to people who are smarter and better informed than you are. I have no problem with honest disagreement, as numerous other posters here can attest to, I have a rather serious problem with partisan idiocy and hypocrisy, your stock in trade.


OH MY GOD.. THAT is perhaps the best example of projection i've ever seen...

Your guns must be getting heavy friend..;)

That's a stumble.. and an unusual one for you.....

My gun may be smaller but my GUNS ARE BIGGER..;)


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20 Feb 2015, 2:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-

To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).

Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.

A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.


I think I demonstrated in my previous posts that I don't demonize all, or even most, gun owners. Rather, I'm talking about the gun fetishists who have been nutso on the subject.


You've consistently demonstrated youself to be an anti in several threads over the years. Want me to go dig up some samples and post them here?


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20 Feb 2015, 3:24 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-

To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).

Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.

A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.


I think I demonstrated in my previous posts that I don't demonize all, or even most, gun owners. Rather, I'm talking about the gun fetishists who have been nutso on the subject.


You've consistently demonstrated youself to be an anti in several threads over the years. Want me to go dig up some samples and post them here?


I have what can be described as a most unusual propensity toward photographic memory of text, millions of words of text.. literally speaking....

There is no record here of the 'K' lying AKA dishonesty; I challenge anyone to bring up text PER BLACK AND WHITE QUOTE that proves otherwise, per my last post up there about PROJECTION.

OPINIONS CAN AND DO VARY, like 'A holes', BOTH EXPRESSED AND UNDERSTOOD BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN LIES OR DISHONESTY, JUST problems with cognitive empathy aka theory of mind, most likely, per scientific evidence on 'THAT' 'HERE'.

BULLIES, WITH AVATARS WITH GUNS OR NOT.

PHYSICAL BULLIES.

INTELLECTUAL BULLIES.

DO NOT SCARE ME, OR MAKE ME SWEAT BULLETS...
haha!

AND that's all for now..;)


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20 Feb 2015, 7:46 pm

aghogday wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-

To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).

Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.

A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.


I think I demonstrated in my previous posts that I don't demonize all, or even most, gun owners. Rather, I'm talking about the gun fetishists who have been nutso on the subject.


You've consistently demonstrated youself to be an anti in several threads over the years. Want me to go dig up some samples and post them here?


I have what can be described as a most unusual propensity toward photographic memory of text, millions of words of text.. literally speaking....

There is no record here of the 'K' lying AKA dishonesty; I challenge anyone to bring up text PER BLACK AND WHITE QUOTE that proves otherwise, per my last post up there about PROJECTION.

OPINIONS CAN AND DO VARY, like 'A holes', BOTH EXPRESSED AND UNDERSTOOD BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN LIES OR DISHONESTY, JUST problems with cognitive empathy aka theory of mind, most likely, per scientific evidence on 'THAT' 'HERE'.

BULLIES, WITH AVATARS WITH GUNS OR NOT.

PHYSICAL BULLIES.

INTELLECTUAL BULLIES.

DO NOT SCARE ME, OR MAKE ME SWEAT BULLETS...
haha!

AND that's all for now..;)


Thank you and your photographic memory. 8)


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20 Feb 2015, 7:48 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor-

To answer both your posts:
Know your enemy.
And...
Not at all. I have no problem with people who use firearms for recreation, or even for those who see gun rights as politically important. But I certainly do have a problem with those people who believe gun rights are without limit, and who believe their gun rights are more important than the grief of those who have suffered loss because of gun violence (the way gun fetishists disregarded the grief of parents who had lost children at Sandy Hook). The same people are the kind who convince themselves of the most insane, baseless conspiracy theories revolving around being martyred for their gun rights (again, Sandy Hook, when gun fetishists claimed the shooting was only a false flag government operation to take their precious guns away, that no children had been killed, and that the grieving parents were only actors).

Yeah right, like antis didn't cease the moment to USE that incident (or any others like it) as leverage for their cause.

A few yahoos waving NRA banners or whatever doesn't represent all gun owners like you wish. That was a time for mourning, not political grandstanding. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.


I think I demonstrated in my previous posts that I don't demonize all, or even most, gun owners. Rather, I'm talking about the gun fetishists who have been nutso on the subject.


You've consistently demonstrated youself to be an anti in several threads over the years. Want me to go dig up some samples and post them here?


No, I shall reiterate: I am anti-nut with a gun, not anti-gun.


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20 Feb 2015, 8:00 pm

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Okay Mr photographic memory for text, if you think I'm 'projecting', surely someone with your unique talent should have no problem providing quotes of me behaving like what I'm accusing Bill of, e.g. being a mindless partisan, broad brushing groups I know nothing about, talking out of my ass, etc. I'll wait, but in the meantime I'd like to talk about the irony of bullying accusations coming from the worst internet tough guy on WP, the kind of blowhard who can't go 3 posts without mentioning how much he can bench or how his Kung Fu is superior to everyone else's, etc; it's a bit like being lectured on the dangers of currency inflation by Robert Mugabe. Perhaps you should stay in your own lane.


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Okay Mr photographic memory for text, if you think I'm 'projecting', surely someone with your unique talent should have no problem providing quotes of me behaving like what I'm accusing Bill of, e.g. being a mindless partisan, broad brushing groups I know nothing about, talking out of my ass, etc. I'll wait, but in the meantime I'd like to talk about the irony of bullying accusations coming from the worst internet tough guy on WP, the kind of blowhard who can't go 3 posts without mentioning how much he can bench or how his Kung Fu is superior to everyone else's, etc; it's a bit like being lectured on the dangers of currency inflation by Robert Mugabe. Perhaps you should stay in your own lane.


Well if you pay attention to what I wrote, I only quoted what I could prove, as all the other stuff was a matter of opinion.

All I said is there is no record of Bill Lying per being dishonest.

So in fact, you lied by saying that UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT HE DID.

I've read his writings here and it does not exist on the record. And if you wonder how I keep up with all of that I read 10 to 15 times faster than the average human being, along with that close to photographic memory for text, per my Hyperlexic version of Autism.

Oh and by the way, when properly focused I can type with speeds approaching 130 words a minute, AND that in part explains literally close to 10 million words typed online since the end of 2010, that are documented still in black and white and green and gray and other colors for purview.

I WILL apologize if you can prove otherwise on the Bill being dishonest thingy.

Otherwise, it is you lying to say he is lying, if YOU CANNOT QUOTE IT to prove it, as it is YOU THAT MADE THE ASSERTION, LIE OR NOT.

AND THAT my friend is projection more or less, as metaphor.

And as far as me being an Internet tough guy I can prove it PER REAL LIFE with videos and photographs, how about you, as all I see so far is a rifle and you in an avatar.

AN INTERNET tough guy is a guy who is all full of talk and can't prove the walk.

I on the other hand can prove IT online per the close to half a ton of moving weight in leg press with my legs for 12 reps and already have documented over 3000 miles per Nike GPS Sports Watch in a dance walk of mixed martial arts and ballet over the course of 17 months..

I am known for being as tough as I am graceful, and In real life folks CALL ME A LEGEND.

It's an extreme advantage in real life in all avenues of it to be TOUGH AND GRACEFUL PER the divine survival and Love thingy. It's an IDEOLOGY that should be PROMOTED BOTH ONLINE AND IN REAL LIFE IN MY OPINION, AS IT IS A GOOD THING NOT A BAD THING, IN MY opinion, NOW.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE, on the legend thingy, YOU CAN CALL SEVILLE QUARTER IN PENSACOLA FL, the place that folks routinely call me a legend of dance, and ask any employee about the big guy with shades that blows the place away with HIS STYLE of dance, now going on 48 weeks straight every Thursday Night for three or four hours straight without a break or a drink of water, except for one week with an intestinal bug.. not the thing ya wanna have when ya dance.. haHA!..:)

But anyway, you came here to defend Raptor, specifically on these points, and I came here to defend Bill; So TIT FOR TAT; CALL IT COGNITIVE EMPATHY; OR WHATEVER but it is what I do best, defend others from bullies, either intellectual or physical ones.

And if you made a mistake, you can just apologize, if you like, AND IF YOU CAN, and go on.

But that will truly surprise me, and at this point in my life I am used to surprises; however, with you I am not expecting one, almost never the more... AND IN A Way... SADLY enough to me... for you.. per that cognitive empathy thingy.....

..As I have read what you write here.. as well....Mr. Smarty Pants.. 'who' THINKS 'HE'S' ALWAYS RIGHT...;)

I CHOOSE MY WORDS CAREFULLY.. very carefully.. even the metaphors that some folks see as gibberish...;)


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I'll link some stuff out later when I'm on my desktop, but I think kind of win by default after that response, I mean 'legend', really?


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