Conservatives more likely to believe vaccines cause Autism

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It doesn't matter what you're in favor of. Either you agree that it's time for guillotines or else you're a collaborator.

"We are our brother's keeper" is a sentiment inapplicable to those who have no brothers, and generally expressed only by those who've been adequately kept. It's an extremely privileged position. For those who lack that privilege, whose experiences afford no grounds upon which to extend trust to "the authorities" and many reasons not to, regarding the benefits of vaccination as potential trap-bait is a rational conclusion. The fact that this has actually been done by said authorities reinforces that suspicion, as does talk of mandating consumption of said potential bait.

It might be understandable, but it certainly isn't rational.

Please describe how this conclusion is irrational without appealing to outside perspectives which the agent in question is already stipulated to have discounted.

Everyone from Jesus Christ, to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, to Martin Luther King taught we are our brother's keeper, and none of these men were exactly in a privileged position. Having a heart when it comes to caring for the welfare of others is hardly a matter of privilege.
As far as "those who have no brothers" - I take it that it's either a go-it-alone libertarian bullsh*t, or, you're referring to very alienated people. In either case, just because you believe it to be so hardly makes it so. By the way, as an Aspie, I fully understand what alienation and isolation is.
As for your take on vaccinations, I go with what The_Walrus said.

These men were not exiles or outcasts. They each had a place in a community. Whether or not they should be generally considered privileged, each enjoyed the specific privilege of having experienced the existence of a group of people who cared for their welfare and did not endeavor to destroy them. The fact that you can't see this as being a privilege is most likely a reflection of the fact that you share this privilege, and people who have privilege are as a rule blind to it.



Surviving to adulthood in order to express such a sentiment necessarily implies the privilege of not being murdered by your parents (a privilege I share with you, though not for lack of trying on one's part). So yeah, there's definitely a component of privilege there, we're just arguing the extent of it.



The fact that you differentiate between the two speaks volumes about you. Perhaps if you weren't so focused on othering libertarians you'd have noticed that the former set is largely comprised of members of the latter.



Except that goes both ways. And whereas you have no basis whatsoever for the belief that anybody gives a sh*t about me, I have good reasons to conclude that there are no such sh*t-givers.



I am not my diagnosis. Even if I were, Complex PTSD has far more to do with this than ASD.

If there's a single person you met before the age of 20 from whom you don't fear for your life, you do not know where I am coming from.



Then feel free to answer my response to them.

Just because you're in pain and have a chip on your shoulder is no reason to believe where you're coming from is the best vantage point; just the opposite.
And if libertarians are alienated, isolated people, then all the more reason to consider libertarianism to be a maladjusted, traumatized and trauma inducing political philosophy.

I've heard that increased numbers in autism is largely due to awareness. And in like manner, they reckon the current 2% (?) of people with ASD will likely increase dramatically as awareness and diagnosis increases.

I am in absolute 100% agreement.

Oh, so now I'm an anti-vaxxer; a compliment coming from any progressive.

And you just happen to be one of the ones being kept as opposed to being a keeper, hence you love of anything progressive and your generosity with the money and freedom of others.....

And how do you come to that conclusion? My wife and I do in fact contribute to World Vision in caring for a girl in Bangladesh, so I think you've got it backwards. And remind me again how is it that it's wrong to care for our fellow humans?

I am unsure what you are counting as "outside perspectives", but discounting the scientific evidence of vaccine efficacy and safety is irrational.

If I believe I can fly, it might be rational to jump off a building, but you can't derive truly rational conclusions from irrational premises.

If we didn't have vaccines, we'd still be dying from smallpox. And being paralyzed from polio.

It's gotten to the point where the younger generation doesn't really know what smallpox is, since it was eradicated around 1979.

They don't have much idea what polio is, either--because it's really not a part of their lives.

The solution is to monitor what's PUT into the vaccines.

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Such evidence is doubtful when the very existence of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims Office of Special Masters (the so-called vaccine court) http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-p ... al-masters persists.

Very true, but today's vaccines aren't the "clean" vaccines of yesteryear (that all ended with the advent of the polio vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine when several various diseases and disorders were induced by the vaccine). All the "anti-vaxxers" would go home if vaccines now were clean like those given in 2009 to Germany's leaders http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 56028.html , but not its citizens. If Germany's leaders got/are getting clean vaccines, should we believe that other world leaders aren't? And, if so, why not us, too?

No doubt....we have to monitor what's put into the vaccines.

The benefits of vaccines outweigh the dangers, though.