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Religions are to free us but instead most try to enslave us.

Those who want freedom should look to Gnostic Christianity.

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DL

You follow the immoral thinking of Christians if you believe the garbage you wrote.

If hell is not a punishment the God would be rewarding sinners. Not much point in denigrating people and then rewarding them for being as created to be.

When some friend rejects you, do you curse him to hell or just let him walk?

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DL

Seems like when people really start getting on in their inward explorations it turns into a picture more reminiscent of Buddhism or Hinduism - in the west we have a way of using our own metaphors, mostly from the 500 BCE to 300 CE Mediterranian region, to say the same things as well as to address the same shared internal realms.

People somehow get to where all seeming positive appearances of evil are a charade, they're a temporary stop in an incremental unfoldment of consciousness in all beings, all of which are evolving to higher levels of integrity (some two-steps-forward-one-step-back in this), and that end perfection of all beings and the preeminence and supremacy of love is absolutely inevitable. People who end up as Golden Dawn or Thelemic 7=4's or 8=3's generally don't have any desire to change the world, seems like the more they know the less revolutionary necessity they feel. Part of that of course, I'm sure with meditation, you delineate better that you're responsible for your own behavior - no one else's - and that the best you can do is be a functional and well adjusted part of the sea of masses, but I think it's also the perception that every last bit of it is in the hands of the One and the understanding that anything we think we do of our own volition is really an illusion that fades with maturity.

For me at least I don't know that I could ever quite take the Buddhist/Hindu outlook on evil where people seem to turn the other cheek in the face of it - Mao was a great example of what happens if that kind of passivity leaves too few people willing to fight for their freedoms; as far as I can tell nonchalance about what powers run the world typically ends up in institutionalized torture porn and ditches piled high with bodies. At least in the super long run aggregate I get what they're saying. I suppose being raised in the west I don't think I could divorce myself from responsibility for such a thing happening - ie. if we had a tyranny move in, if I didn't die with a gun in my hand, in my own mind, I'd share fault for the situation and would probably often question my right to still be alive if I hadn't stood up to force under the guidance of barbarism. That might create karma but, I'm sorry, I've had it drilled in and programmed that if a group of people are torturing my family and relatives and do nothing about it that I need to think very seriously about sitting in a warm tub and slitting my wrists. I don't know that I can give up that programming in this life because it runs too deep in my ways assessing life and myself.

I agree with THIS that human being is an excellent and POWERFUL example of the manifestation of GOD through human WILL working with GOD given gifts, of course with the caveat that other animals express GOD too, through the gifts provided to them by Nature aka GOD, including the potential for THIS even HIGHER POTENTIAL throughout the Universe, AS 'WE' don't know 'THIS' MORE FULLY, as of yet.

Words alone, in general, are very limited expressionS of GOD.

To truly manifest GOD, as well as possible, one must develop a synergy of human intelligences ranging from existential to physical to greater emotional regulation to proprioception to greater sensory INTEGRATION to cognitive and empathic ARTS OF HUMAN intelligences, where the list of potential intelligences and the synergy thereof is limitless for those who continue to expand their 'eyes' of GOD.

Many people use less than 10 percent of the MUCH FULLER potential IN SYNERGY of MORE AND GREATER intelligences, SIMPLY, as they do not either pursue, per seek, OR FIND AND practice, and CONTINUE TO PRACTICE, these potential synergies of New SOUGHT AND FOUND intelligences.

AND THIS IS AN AREA OF HUMAN POTENTIAL, per synergy of myriad intelligences THAT NEITHER CURRENT STANDARD I.Q. tests CAN measure OR most people are even aware of, per awakening and enlightenment of greater manifestation of humans eyes of GOD AKA Human GENIUS, PER THE STUFF OF EINSTEIN, AND HIS 'LIKE'..

Human beings have incredible GIFTS OF GOD lying dormant in the GOD GIVEN CODE OF their DNA. This potential is just waiting for the environmental challenge and adaptation that will unpack that DNA to make Human more like the myth of LUCIFER, and less like driven SHEEP BY THE psychopathic leaning individuals who also have very limited DEVELOPED AND MANIFEST potential IN ALL POSSIBLE human intelligences, WHO live by the need for power and materialistic greed to fill a black hole soul that is a pit of literal HUMAN hell with no bottom.

THESE individuals hold back human beings, as history shows through religions and cultures that oppress and repress human GOD GIVEN NATURE IN MUCH FULLER POTENTIAL DEVELOPED AND MANIFEST INTELLIGENCES, BY WAY of subjugating HUMANS through illusory fears for MATERIAL GAIN OF THE BLACK HOLE SOUL, THE REAL DEVIL IN LIFE, PER PSYCHOPATHIC LEANING CLERGY, POLITICIANS, AND IN SOME CASES, EVEN TEACHERS..

WHERE in metaphor THE FALLEN ANGEL, PER THE MYTH OF LUCIFER IS ACTUALLY THE TRUER FULLER MANIFESTATION OF GOD; AND THE PREACHER, POLITICIAN OR TEACHER IS THE REAL METAPHOR OF SATAN INCARNATE OF LIMITING HUMAN POTENTIAL FULLER MYRIAD INTELLIGENCES SOUGHT, FOUND, AND MANIFEST IN CONTINUOUS PRACTICE OF MUCH FULLER POTENTIAL OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCES.

The gnostic Christian JESUS better reflects the modern myth of LUCIFER, THAN THE WORSHIP OF THE MYTH OF A SOLDIER GOD PROPAGATED BY EARLY ROMAN EMPEROR CONSTANTINE AND HIS COHORTS, INCLUDING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH RULE(S) OF OLD, AND YES NEW, TOO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism

IN FACT, THE WOMAN LUCY IN THE MOVIE 'LUCY' IS NAMED LUCY FOR JUST THAT REASON.

AND TRULY THAT REASON IS JUST, AS TRUTH.

MOST ALL MEN AND WOMEN HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE REAL LIFE SUPERMEN AND SUPERWOMEN, by fuller gifts of gOD, IF JUST ALLOWED TO FULLY EXPRESS THEIR GIFTS OF GOD IN THE CODE OF THEIR DNA PROPERLY CHALLENGED, ADAPTED, AND MANIFEST, AS BRILLIANT LIGHTS OF EYES OF GOD IN SKYS OF TRUTH in sKEYeS of GOD!

Have a nice day IN NOW, Gnostic Bishop; you bring and ADD much value to this forum, BY THE PRESENT OF YOUR presence here, in the present NOW OF HUMAN SHARED Heaven WITH GOD kNOWnOW..!

Or even freer still, no religion at all.

No religion in the dogmatic sense of the word - yes.

I think the only thing that worries me when people take their materialism too empirically is that they often tend to completely throw the subjective overboard as a necessary evil or a failure of natural selection to perfect the brain's objectivity. When and if they fall for believing that the outside/physical world is the only thing of any worth they often times find themselves incredibly vulnerable to every bump or jolt on the road of life; that can get especially bad if a person's either a compulsive thinker or finds themselves living more often than not living in repressive circumstances. I really think working for mastery of our subconscious and subjective worlds is really the next important shoe to drop in our movement toward a more civilized society, without it people seem to jump from one addiction to another, burning through things like it's a cheap fix, without really learning that the top of the pendulum isn't a human power structure (or at least only secondarily) - it's their own motivational core and structure of beliefs.

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The Nature of GOD expressed innately in instinct and intuition, per human being, is both strength and survival AND kind and compassionate, per unconditional expressions of the term 'love', when used this way.

Tough LOVE is the GOD of human nature, and to more fully express that is in mind and body balance.

To make it complicated is to follow words instead of innate instinct and intuition.

Turn the other cheek when taken literally as such, is simply NOT PART of the GOD OF HUMAN NATURE.

OF COURSE, WHEN AN EMPIRE IS ATTEMPTING TO CONTROL FOLKS, IT MAKES FOR EFFECTIVE ILLUSION, AND SO MANY OTHER HUMAN ILLUSIONS OF CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS LIES AGAINST INSTEAD OF WITH the GOD Nature expressed in human being.

TO ATTEMPT TO SUCCESSFULLY Socially COOPERATE AND BE EFFECTIVE IN 'THAT' PER BOTH EFFECT AND affect is successfully fulfilling the gift of GOD IN human nature, and sure, sometimes that does make loving one's so called enemies as effective in total AFFECT.

AND SOMETIMES THAT INCLUDES KICKING A**, AS THAT IS PART OF GOD GIVEN NATURE FOR HUMAN Beings, too.

But of course, BETTER avoided at all costs, as YES, those who 'live by the sword', statistically speaking, DO GET INJURED OR DIE FROM THAT PRACTICE IN, THE LONG TERM, MORE THAN THOSE FOLKS, WHO DO NOT.

AND ALL THAT is simply human common sense for those humans who are allowed to seek, find, develop, AND to practice THAT in full manifest of the gifts of GOD in Human Nature..

AMEN.

No danger of that here. I came away from religion in large part because it was way too prescriptive. If you have to put a name to it, and then add other practices with names, then you have the beginnings of a dogma. I prefer my thinking to be untethered and philosophical. I believe humans are "spiritual," but as soon as I use that word, a whole raft of assumptions are made about my meaning. So I don't use it. I also take onboard much of the materialist viewpoint, but not the label, because again it comes with assumptions and constraints. There is no name for what I believe, and I very much like it that way. That's freedom!

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No argument.

The Western religions have buried their better parts and that include the teachings that match Eastern theologies.


Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his

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DL

Cut for brevity.

Thanks. Much appreciated.

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DL

I hear what you are saying but we all have some ideal that we are slave too.

Yours might be a political system or other philosophy.

Thing to try to do is be open to change in accepting whatever is better thinking as it comes to hand.

I see all theologies and philosophies as just a search for the best set of rules to live life by.

Read up on Freud`s Father Complex and you ill see that we all seek the best ideal personified as ourselves.

Even you my friend and that is how should be.

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DL

You are welcome.

Should be? Why?


I can't see that I'm slave to any ideal. I do have ideals, but I can and do choose to go against them at times, which I couldn't do if I was slave to them.

I do have several conventions I try to follow, if only for a simple life:
- Social conventions, which I inexpertly try to follow (or try to avoid).
- Work conventions, for the sake of income.
- Wife conventions (happy wife, happy life )


Open to change is why, after 35 years being heavily invested in religion, I had to be open to change when I saw its flaws.

Yes, I see religion as fulfillment of rules that some people seem to need.

But I don't agree that philosophies are a search for rules. For me, philosophies are a search for understanding.


I understand all that. I lost my mother in 2001, then my father in 2002. Aside from missing them and feeling like an orphan, it unlocked me from that need.

Aside from my conventions to keep life simple, my only real ideal is integrity - to act as I believe, and to allow my beliefs to be corrected. It may sound all rather minimalist, but it's very liberating.

I've learned that there is one truth in my life - I will be wrong, and being corrected is affirmation that I'm not stuck in one place. As for other truths, they are all subjective. Look up "truth" in Wikipedia - it demonstrates the wonders still to be explored when released from holding to one set of rules.