Can Homosexuality and the Christian Faith Exist Together?

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Dude.. Chill out. He's basically agreeing with you, that homosexuality is okay. ...
This is such a stupid argument. It's not even worth focusing on. Are human beings capable and worthy of love?
Nobody cared about this crap for tens of thousands of years.....
and if they did - not like they care about it today.
It's not a big deal. Really isn't. ...I think the mainstream media and politics, social groups have gotten us so used to arguing about little points (no I'm not saying homosexuality or homosexuals are little or unimportant, OK), we can't see the bigger picture.

And indeed that is what's happened.

Let the attacks on me roll in.

Ha! Don't know about you; but I am cool, smiles, and depending on where one lives this is still a huge issue of basic human civil rights. And I for one am not going to idly stand by when misleading info on the issue is claimed.

Homosexuality is clearly both a genetically and environmentally produced diversity of human being, now solidly backed up by science.

We are not going back to the dark ages on this one. At least NOT here, where homosexuality is higher than the general Internet population, assessed here as such, in informal polls..

I never said I hated lgbt folk or said they were evil.

To clarify, I was going to post several articles agreeing with the fact genes do play a role in potential homosexuality,
but go on to say there is no proven correlation that those genes cause homosexuality.

Besides, if two men or women truly seek God together, they should be judging me, not the other way around.

And my size is none of your business, that is to me and my lover, whomever that may come to be.

To be clear absolutely none of that was directed at you other than your suggestion that there was no genetic influence, per the gay gene with homosexuality, according to that link you provided.

I appreciate you clarifying here that you do understand that there IS A GENETIC INFLUENCE, Now.

I wasn't suggesting you are a homophobe, as you already made it clear you are not, and I dam sure wasn't saying anything about anyone's size.

I was trying not to name body parts, by saying little p and big p.

And homophobes disgust me, so I was just ranting at the general disgusting nature of this thread for folks who are suggesting Jesus would get bent out of shape about homosexual behavior, which he obviously would NOT, 'cause he teaches the 'golden rule', and that doesn't include homophobes, as practicing golden rule folks. They are outsiders and are definitely NOT REAL practicing Christians, according to what Jesus truly taught per the GOLDEN RULE, AND original gnostic records.

The hypocrisy of the whole thing just frigging disgusts me, particularly in this environment that should be gay friendly, if any environment should. AND TRULY it's about the only thing that disgusts me on this forum, other than intellectual bullies.

Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding..

hubpages isn't really a quotable resource when it comes to science.

also, identical twins being seperate orientations is actually possible genetically; there is such a thing as 'epigenetics', where your environment changes which genes will activate; which is why identical twins can look different, have different personalities and even (slightly) differing fingerprints.

i realise that this indeed states that they aren't "born" gay, but they would be born with an increased disposition, perhaps both were born Bi and they mutated in the opposite direction.

hetero-gay is a spectrum, like eye colour, one can be fully one way, somewhere halfway or 'on the fence' waiting for epigenetics to trigger a direction.


what i'm trying to say is that, while being gay might not be fully "born in", it isn't 100% choice either, but rather a (varying strength) combination of both, with some having no choice at all and others a fully free choice

The problem with his view is because homophobes typically claim it's a choice, therefore they can be hated and discriminated against.

Oops

So is 99% of heterosexual sex so your perspective is rather selective and you might as yourself why.

As to you general them.

The religious perspective is satanic and anti-love.

Love used to be the all important part of life then the religious perspective changed to sex.

Which is more important to you?

If not love, why not?

You might remember that love use to be the focus.

http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/fil ... nrite.html

Regards
DL

This is the nature nurture debate.

I am on the nature/gene/DNA side as I thing we are all whatever out DNA tells us to be.

If gays are not born that way or if their DNA is not what is making them gay, them it must be the nurturing and I know of no one who is intentionally raising their children to be gay.

It is no a choice. I is a DNA driven reality or condition and not something that can be nurtured into a person.

Regards
DL

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Homosexuality is clearly both a genetically and environmentally produced diversity of human being, now solidly backed up by science.

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I agree with the genetic base of homosexuality. What do you mean by environmentally produced? Do you mean nurturing or the environment effects DNA?

If you mean nurturing is backed up by science as producing gays, please give your source.

Regards
DL

This is a debate about DNA, something that should be easily determinable by today's methods.
We found proof that DNA correlates to heart disease, cancer, and almost every time we looked for these correlations, we found them relatively quickly.

On the other hand, the gay gene has never been found, the fact that this research has taken so long just makes me wonder why are we looking for something that isn't there.

It is a myth, and no matter how many people believe it is there, it still doesn't change the fact there is no gay gene.

It is something we should be able to prove wrong easily, but no studies have actually been aimed at disproving the gay gene myth in the first place.

You're a moron. Just because you refuse to accept facts, you make insane comments to try and make gay people into a lesser class...

We know a bit of what our DNA does but only a small percentage so far so you surprise is premature and un-warranted.

If not nature/DNA, are you suggesting that we nurture our children to be gay?

If not, then what are you saying causes one to be gay?

Regards
DL

Homosexuality is environmentally produced, in the sense that sexuality and gender is a spectrum and bisexuality exists in even greater numbers among humans than one-sex homosexual orientation, according to the largest study done on human sexuality, per the Kinsey Report on Human Sexuality.

In that sense one can go one or both ways, so in part that makes THAT part OF THE HOMOSEXUAL equation a potential choice..

Additionally, there are current primitive cultures that exercise free sex from puberty, where the culture is one of making babies for survival, FOR greater numbers of humans, FOR greater effectiveness of the sum of social cooperation in what is described as the 'work of the night', where there are no words for homosexuality or masturbation in the language.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/

But of course, culture and religion AND even recorded written and spoken language CAN BE powerful repressors, oppressors, and subjugators through illusory fears, of GOD given human nature, per natural feelings and senses.

Perhaps, the most well known example of this is FGM, Female Genital Mutilation; still a widespread practice, in some African Muslim countries, where women see taking away a GOD given organ of the clitoris that is only evolved for pleasure, as a sign of self-esteem.

That's just insane, and proves that culture, religion, and even written language that supports these mutilation practices is the same, in this way.

The Bonobo, is the only primate, except for humans, that share in face to face kissing for pleasure, oral sex, and front to front sex.

The difference among Bonobos and other primates, other than humans, IS that the Bonobo obviously has a much greater propensity to share feelings of emotion and senses through the AFFECT and effect OF EMOTIONAL CONTAGION through MIRROR NEURONS.

NOW TO BE CLEAR, SCIENCE DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY PROVE THE DEAL ABOUT EMPATHY and mirror neurons among Bonobos; but I have enough frigging affective empathy by way of mirror neurons myself, to see it in the 'eyes', uniquely the similar to human primates, in Bonobo eyes and other facial expressions.

When a human can share in the pleasure of others, and truly cares about others this way through affective/emotional empathy, much of the pleasure is in giving others pleasure, in all ways that can happen. So many sexual practices, alternate to procreation become the norm, as pleasure given in all ways of human reciprocal communication, is a way for peace instead of strife.

Make Love NOT WAR, is a REAL DEAL FOR BOTH HUMAN PRIMATES AND BONOBOS, WHO ARE FREE TO DO THAT IN ALL WAYS THAT CAN BE DONE. SO YEAH, IN THIS WAY, PORNOGRAPHY IN most all the VICARIOUS AND VIRTUAL MIRROR NUERON WAYS IT IS PROVIDED CAN BE AT LEAST ONE POTENTIAL ANSWER , FOR PEACE FOR HUMAN BEINGS, unless violence is promoted in it, of course.

It is transparent as hell to me, when I 'hear' and 'see' a psychopathic leaning mind, in metaphor, in ways of not sharing this affective empathy by the 'cold hearts of eyes, ears and tongues', and other senses and feelings, and even the cold hearts of words that can reflect those 'cold eyes of human being death in life'.

This happens for many reasons, from childhood neglect in the first two years of life and or through social stress, and or generally speaking chronic stress before and or later in life.

But seriously for this deficit of humanity, this is where most hate is generated, in the eyes of 'cold dead hearts and souls, out of mind and body balanced in both emotions and senses; losing the ability to connect in the emotional and affective empathy of love in all associated senses and feelings.

And on top of that; a major 'cause of human misery and suffering is over-population, globally speaking.

MOST, Any turn away from intercourse, is a way out of human misery and suffering for the human race, overall, in the
long term..

3500 years ago things are not the same;

But times are A changing and not to evolve with GOD AS IS
IS
FGM-like Insanity..

The answer would have to be yes because there are open and affirming churches in existence today. There are multiple within driving distance to my house. Here is one right here: http://southwooducc.org/

Stating the gay gene is in fact a myth does not mean I am saying they are lesser in worth than everybody else.
In fact, the only thing I am saying is just that, there is no gay gene.
What difference does it make that they are born that way or not?
They are productive members of society either way, so why would pointing this out be homophobic?
Your adding your own perception of me to the context of my post, which is absurd.
If a person wants to be homosexual, or becomes homosexual, or is somehow born that way is irrelevant
to their worth. They are no less, and no more than you or I.
But there still is no proof of this so called gay gene.