Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Should He Be Executed?
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beneficii wrote:
xenocity,
He needs to be punished for his crimes.
He needs to be punished for his crimes.
His crimes... Or his brother's crimes?
Would the jury have reached verdict, if he was a white christian? It would have taken them days if not weeks to reach a verdict and there would have been a good chance of a hung jury...
Will he get the death penalty? I'll be surprised, if they don't jump at a chance to sentence a Russian immigrant and Muslim to death.
Well just being either is enough to get the full punishment from a jury in the U.S.
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Janissy wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Would the jury have reached verdict, if he was a white christian? .
They did in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Also, he is white. In fact he is pretty much literally from Caucasia.
Yup, a lot of people aren't aware that the word Caucasian means literally of the Caucasus.
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Janissy wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Would the jury have reached verdict, if he was a white christian? .
They did in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Also, he is white. In fact he is pretty much literally from Caucasia.
But he is a Muslim and there is a good amount of Americans who hate Muslims (if not the majority).
The jury and victims will want the death penalty to send a message to the Muslim world.
At least McVey had a decent amount of people objecting to his execution...
Though if they do sentence Tsarnaev to death, they should let Al-jazzera break the news to soften the blow to Muslims.
One final note: Caucasian ≠ White... Spanish fall under the hispanic label not the white label in U.S. as does other caucasian peoples.
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xenocity wrote:
Janissy wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Would the jury have reached verdict, if he was a white christian? .
They did in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Also, he is white. In fact he is pretty much literally from Caucasia.
But he is a Muslim and there is a good amount of Americans who hate Muslims (if not the majority).
The jury and victims will want the death penalty to send a message to the Muslim world.
At least McVey had a decent amount of people objecting to his execution...
Though if they do sentence Tsarnaev to death, they should let Al-jazzera break the news to soften the blow to Muslims.
One final note: Caucasian ≠ White... Spanish fall under the hispanic label not the white label in U.S. as does other caucasian peoples.
According to the Census Bureau, they are white.
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Meistersinger wrote:
In this case, as far as I'm concerned, let the punishment fit the crime, Eye for an eye, and all that.
Something like driving him out to the desert, putting him in a suicide vest with a trigger that he must hold onto with both hands to keep it from exploding, and leaving him there all alone to settle his own fate?
beneficii wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Janissy wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Would the jury have reached verdict, if he was a white christian? .
They did in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Also, he is white. In fact he is pretty much literally from Caucasia.
But he is a Muslim and there is a good amount of Americans who hate Muslims (if not the majority).
The jury and victims will want the death penalty to send a message to the Muslim world.
At least McVey had a decent amount of people objecting to his execution...
Though if they do sentence Tsarnaev to death, they should let Al-jazzera break the news to soften the blow to Muslims.
One final note: Caucasian ≠ White... Spanish fall under the hispanic label not the white label in U.S. as does other caucasian peoples.
According to the Census Bureau, they are white.
Not to derail, that was only 2010 census, because hispanic and latino weren't counted as an ethnic group.
Though in most federal and state demographics, Spanish fall under the hispanic label not the white label.
Though the 2010 census did have a question asking if you were Spanish/Hispanic/Latino as a culture question.
The official full definition from the Census Bureau is " a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South (except for Brazil) or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."
Hispanic or Latino is a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American (except for Brazil), or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race according to the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.
The U.S. Dept. of Transportation defines Hispanic as persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central or South American, or other Spanish or Portuguese culture or origin, regardless of race.
etc...
The CDC on the other hand doesn't use Hispanic when viewing ethnicity.
These non Central and South American countries are considered Hispanic/Latino under the American definitions.
Spain (EU), Andorra (EU), Equatorial Guinea (Africa), Western Sahara, Philippines (Asia), Guam (Asia/Pacific), Micronesia, Northern Mariana Island (Asia/Pacific), and Palau (Asia/Pacific).
Any other countries that were part of the Spanish Empire fit the definition.
Though Brazil is not Hispanic, but is considered Latino.
From the CIA World Fact book and U.S. federal government via Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic#D ... ted_States
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xenocity wrote:
Janissy wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Would the jury have reached verdict, if he was a white christian? .
They did in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Also, he is white. In fact he is pretty much literally from Caucasia.
But he is a Muslim and there is a good amount of Americans who hate Muslims (if not the majority).
The jury and victims will want the death penalty to send a message to the Muslim world.
At least McVey had a decent amount of people objecting to his execution...
Though if they do sentence Tsarnaev to death, they should let Al-jazzera break the news to soften the blow to Muslims.
One final note: Caucasian ≠ White... Spanish fall under the hispanic label not the white label in U.S. as does other caucasian peoples.
Why would executing him be "a blow to Muslims"?
The vast majority of people living in Muslim countries are not Jihadists. So to them he is just some crazy murderer in a foreign country who should be dealt with the normal way-which in THIER countries-would be beheading. So the vast majority of Muslims, if anything, would be baffled as to way we would consider NOT executing him.
And the tiny minority who "root" for him because they are Jihadists/terrorists would assume that he will be "martyr". And it would be a "blow" to them if we didnt execute him.
xenocity wrote:
beneficii wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Janissy wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Would the jury have reached verdict, if he was a white christian? .
They did in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Also, he is white. In fact he is pretty much literally from Caucasia.
But he is a Muslim and there is a good amount of Americans who hate Muslims (if not the majority).
The jury and victims will want the death penalty to send a message to the Muslim world.
At least McVey had a decent amount of people objecting to his execution...
Though if they do sentence Tsarnaev to death, they should let Al-jazzera break the news to soften the blow to Muslims.
One final note: Caucasian ≠ White... Spanish fall under the hispanic label not the white label in U.S. as does other caucasian peoples.
According to the Census Bureau, they are white.
Not to derail, that was only 2010 census, because hispanic and latino weren't counted as an ethnic group.
Though in most federal and state demographics, Spanish fall under the hispanic label not the white label.
Though the 2010 census did have a question asking if you were Spanish/Hispanic/Latino as a culture question.
The official full definition from the Census Bureau is " a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South (except for Brazil) or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."
Hispanic or Latino is a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American (except for Brazil), or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race according to the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.
The U.S. Dept. of Transportation defines Hispanic as persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central or South American, or other Spanish or Portuguese culture or origin, regardless of race.
etc...
The CDC on the other hand doesn't use Hispanic when viewing ethnicity.
These non Central and South American countries are considered Hispanic/Latino under the American definitions.
Spain (EU), Andorra (EU), Equatorial Guinea (Africa), Western Sahara, Philippines (Asia), Guam (Asia/Pacific), Micronesia, Northern Mariana Island (Asia/Pacific), and Palau (Asia/Pacific).
Any other countries that were part of the Spanish Empire fit the definition.
Though Brazil is not Hispanic, but is considered Latino.
From the CIA World Fact book and U.S. federal government via Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic#D ... ted_States
I thought we were talking about people of the Caucasus region?
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