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21 May 2015, 4:02 am

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Every man is a potential rapist. Do you think there's no way you'd ever rape a woman?


Every woman is a potential child killer. Every child is a potential genocidal maniac. Every Christian is a potential child abuser. It is therefore just and fair to demonize women, children and Christians.

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But every rapist, at some point in his life, has thought "I would never do that."


Assuming this is true, what point are you making exactly? I'm sure all Christians believe they'd never harm a child, either. But we'd best assume they're all probably going to, because a handful have and we wouldn't want to take any chances, right?



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21 May 2015, 10:16 am

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Though with this encounter, I have decided that it's probably best if I avoid SJWs like the plague, since I want people to be treated equally and they do not...

I'm not really sure this is what they were saying... In fact, they were keen to emphasise that rape is just as bad when it happens to a man. They just perceived you and your brother as attacking them, so they attacked back.

There are lots of perfectly friendly SJWs, you've just got to speak the right language with some of them. A few weeks ago I had a very friendly conversation with a SJW that started when I said "Emmeline Pankhurst was, on balance, a bad person". Because I dressed up what I was saying properly, I could attack possibly the biggest feminist icon of all without getting chewed up. I don't blame you if you don't want to go to all that effort to express challenging opinions around them, particularly as there are too many who avoid thinking at all costs (no different to almost any other ideology in that respect, of course).

Looking at it, I think the major issue here is that it wasn't a group or a page you were posting on, it was on someone's personal Facebook page. He's not in a position of responsibility or anything so he doesn't need to tell people to be nice to you.


How were you able to dress that up properly? Didn't Emmeline Pankhurst do a lot for the suffragette movement?

She did, and I acknowledged that, but I also said I didn't like her attitude towards the working classes, her support for the "white feather" movement, some of her violent tactics, or the way she bullied Sylvia and Adela. Sylvia was the best Pankhurst (leaving aside Richard, who was cool but didn't need to contemplate violence because of his privilege).



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22 May 2015, 9:49 am

There is a serious problem with wrongful convictions for sex offenders. We don't know the numbers, but they estimate about 8-15% of all convictions are innocent (If there are 100,000 people in prison, that's 15,000 innocent people), and that's merely based on DNA evidence, not those accused with no evidence.

Such as the teacher who had a student out for revenge, so she sent him a picture of herself nude. The teacher was talking to the principal when he got the message, and not knowing what to expect, he opened it. He now can't teach and is on the sex offender registry for life, and spent some time in jail. His life was destroyed by one revenge picture.
There was a daycare worker who spent years in prison, accused of molesting the kids in her care, until the kids were old enough to say they had lied because the investigators had asked leading questions.
There have been numerous accounts of young people who turned 18 a month or so before their partner and have had the cops called on them by the parents for statutory rape, which leaves them on the sex offender list for life.

There have been instances where people have accused their former partners of rape or sexual assault only to have the evidence show otherwise. And then there's the problem within our own justice system, where they will actually tell people that if they plead innocent, no jury will side with them and they'll rot in prison, but if they plead guilty, they can be out in six months and on probation, but at least they'll have more of a life. Some people have their own children used against them. It's the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition all over again, we haven't changed.

This makes it much harder to deal with actual sex offenders (I've seen some cases where one family member was convinced not to prosecute because the rest of the family bullied them into submission). We have such a huge bias towards anyone accused, and we're so afraid of dismissing a victim that we would rather have a thousand innocents in prison than have one potential danger on the street. There's also a bias against men (being typically larger and stronger) even though there are plenty of men who experience sexual assault/rape as well. There was recently a report that stated feminists broke up a men's rape survivor support group because they thought it was an MRA group. Women are also more likely to be thought innocent.

We don't know the stats, we probably never will. The amount of people who don't report, and the number of false reports muddy the waters a lot. Blaming one group over another is not going to help. We need to gain awareness and support the victims, and educate people and their children, and change the laws to be more fair and less biased.


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23 May 2015, 4:51 am

I doubt that story about the teacher. Unless composed of the worst lot of the worst excesses of radical feminism, I really don't think a jury would convict someone based on a single picture which had been sent by a student.

Please provide sources for your claims.


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23 May 2015, 10:22 am

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I doubt that story about the teacher. Unless composed of the worst lot of the worst excesses of radical feminism, I really don't think a jury would convict someone based on a single picture which had been sent by a student.

Please provide sources for your claims.


I'm not sure that story made the news, so don't believe it if you don't want to. Considering the amount of cases involving false accusations against teachers, and against teachers who have been found with porn of any sort, the news usually doesn't pick those up. I'll provide sources for similar cases though.
They even have help websites for teachers who have been wrongfully accused. My husband has had to go through extreme lengths to prevent getting wrongfully accused, though that doesn't stop the students. It just helps his superiors know nothing could have happened because they have proof.
http://thetruthaboutpronerestraint.com/ ... a-student/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fai ... story.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... cused.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/02/news/mn-15083

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... tic-crimes

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local ... 44021.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/ ... 381783110/

http://www.nea.org/home/16921.htm

If a picture is involved, the chances of being considered innocent drop dramatically, because it's evidence. I know one man (also didn't make the news) who fixed computers in his house for a living, who was arrested after a false accusation and was put away because the cops found two pictures on one of the many hard drives he was working on. Even though it was found that the man who tipped police off owed the computer man $500... I wish I could prove these stories, but they're hard to prove and it's often they're dismissed as being factually accused instead of falsely. I mean, if they're in possession of even just one picture, that is a felony here in California. Any form of possession of anything that can be thought of as child porn (even a picture of a child in a bathtub, if it's not your own child, can be considered child porn) can land you in jail, or at least on the sex offender list.


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23 May 2015, 10:33 am

kamiyu910 wrote:
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If a picture is involved, the chances of being considered innocent drop dramatically, because it's evidence. I know one man (also didn't make the news) who fixed computers in his house for a living, who was arrested after a false accusation and was put away because the cops found two pictures on one of the many hard drives he was working on. Even though it was found that the man who tipped police off owed the computer man $500... I wish I could prove these stories, but they're hard to prove and it's often they're dismissed as being factually accused instead of falsely. I mean, if they're in possession of even just one picture, that is a felony here in California. Any form of possession of anything that can be thought of as child porn (even a picture of a child in a bathtub, if it's not your own child, can be considered child porn) can land you in jail, or at least on the sex offender list.
I live in California, and I also know a man who repaired computers in his apartment, and who was arrested, tried, and convicted under similar circumstances. Thus, I confirm the veracity of what Kamiyu910 is saying - a man doesn't have to have committed a sex crime to be convicted of one in California, and to be forced by law to register as a sex offender.

Did you know that 'mooning' someone can be considered a sex crime? That a man checking his fly or re-arranging his 'package' while facing away from anyone could be arrested for committing a sex crime?

Think about that last one, ladies, the next time your underwire starts riding up ... :roll:



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23 May 2015, 10:46 am

Here, I found the penal code, for California at least:

Penal Code 311.11 makes it a crime to knowingly possess or control any child pornography that was produced using a person under 18.

http://www.shouselaw.com/child-pornography-crimes.html
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displ ... =311-312.7

In which even if it was sent to you as a revenge tactic, you are still in possession, therefore you are the one in trouble.


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23 May 2015, 2:40 pm

Interesting. Could you link to court cases in which individuals have been convicted based upon mere possession, despite claiming that they were sent the images without their knowledge? A literal reading would criminalise *reporting* child pornography, because in order to report it, you would have to be aware of it...


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23 May 2015, 3:58 pm

Magneto wrote:
Interesting. Could you link to court cases in which individuals have been convicted based upon mere possession, despite claiming that they were sent the images without their knowledge? A literal reading would criminalise *reporting* child pornography, because in order to report it, you would have to be aware of it...


I really do not want to dig through court cases. If you want to, you can. The last time I tried to find a court case for something, it took me the better part of the day due to the amount of cases and how the website for the court works (crappily). I don't care if you believe me or not, just read the law. That in itself is bad enough.

http://www.wksexcrimes.com/child-pornog ... ction-311/


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23 May 2015, 4:39 pm

Regarding those daycare workers, that was during the whole Satanic Ritual Abuse scare, wasn't it?


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20 Aug 2015, 2:10 pm

All social justice warriors want men extinct. Out of existence. Deleted. GONE-ZO.


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23 Aug 2015, 10:14 am

Barchan wrote:
Every man is a potential rapist. Do you think there's no way you'd ever rape a woman?
But every rapist, at some point in his life, has thought "I would never do that."




saying every man is a potential rapist is misandrist. you would not say the same for jews, blacks and muslims


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23 Aug 2015, 11:53 am

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Regarding those daycare workers, that was during the whole Satanic Ritual Abuse scare, wasn't it?


I just realized I never replied to this! o.O
But yes, those were pretty bad too. The ones I was thinking of, however, didn't involve the rituals. There were a surprising number of those Ritual cases (O_O)


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23 Aug 2015, 12:59 pm

“Feminist consciousness is consciousness of victimization . . . to come to see oneself as a victim.”
— Sandra Lee Bartky, Femininity and Domination: Studies in the Phenomenology of Oppression (1990)


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