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12 Jun 2018, 9:04 pm

Hi all. Let's talk about Murray Rothbard. He was an insane pseudo-economist who is still popular in some corners of the internet, such as the an-cap subreddits. Basically, he was the founder of the great oxymoron that is anarcho-capitalism.

Overall, it seems like the Rothbardian an-caps have no real political influence. Anarcho-capitalism is basically an internet movement, and its stupidity has become one of the funniest internet memes in history.

In other words, this is not a thread about serious threats to humanity. Instead, this is another "Let's point and laugh at crazy people." thread. It's pretty much impossible to cope with the word's stupidity without laughing at it.

Who was Murray Rothbard? Well ... here are some fun facts about the man himself.

- He defended child labor, and complained about children who were sent to school against their will.
- Although he claimed to be an anarchist, he also said "Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment."
- He said positive things about The Bell Curve.
- He hated both 2001: A Space Odyssey and Star Wars. (This isn't as bad as the other things ... but still ... ouch.)
- Although he called himself a "classic liberal" ... he considered John Locke to be a proto-Marxist, and he also felt that Thomas Hobbes was too fiscally left-wing. Perhaps this means that the real classic liberals weren't all "libertarian" in the modern sense of the word.
- Towards the end of his life, Rothbard began to speak in favor of border controls ... which is ironic, given that Rothbard was allegedly an anarchist. During this part of his life, he inspired Hans-Hermann Hoppe ... and Hans-Hermann Hoppe later became the hero of r/physicalremoval.
- He wanted the cops to "clear the streets of bums and vagrants." ... because liberty. Amirite?
- He wanted to make it legal for parents to neglect their children and also to sell babies. He even used the phrase "free baby market".
- He believed that it should be legal for children to smoke and drink.
- He also wanted pedophilia to be legal ... as long as the child consents to it. Really.
- He believed that Milton Freidman was a socialist, presumably because he was jealous of Friedman's popularity at the time.

Why do so many people admire this man? I'm glad that he only has a cult of online followers now ... but why would anyone like him?


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13 Jun 2018, 5:08 am

Sounds like a really weird person. Anarcho-Capitalism could not actually exist.



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13 Jun 2018, 10:33 am

TwinRuler wrote:
Sounds like a really weird person. Anarcho-Capitalism could not actually exist.


Anarcho-capitalism could theoretically exist, but it wouldn't function as intended. It would actually be closer to feudalism. Anyone who reads about history knows that private landowners can and will become tyrannical if there is no government.

Here is an analogy that internet nerds will understand. A lot of an-caps will claim that Reddit is "communist" because they banned r/physicalremoval. In reality, Reddit could ban every single subreddit and it still wouldn't be communist. Reddit is owned by Steve Huffman. He can legally do anything he wants with it because Reddit is technically his private property. In other words, an-caps have no right to complain about site owners banning unpopular viewpoints.

Therefore, it is entirely possible for private landowners to become tyrannical. In an-cap society, the whole world would be like that.

Let's post funny an-cap memes now.

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13 Jun 2018, 5:49 pm

Another weird thing about Rothbard:

He was Jewish, but a great admirer of a certain Harry Elmer Barnes, who was sympathetic to Nazi Germany and was a proponent of an early, if rudimentary, form of Holocaust Denial. Rothbard wrote a glowing obituary of Barnes, but whereas he acknowledges his pro-German sympathies, says nothing about the latter phenomenon. He couldn't have been unaware of it, could he?

Maybe he really was just pretty crazy.

https://mises.org/library/harry-elmer-barnes-rip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Elmer_Barnes


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13 Jun 2018, 5:53 pm

DeepHour wrote:
Another weird thing about Rothbard:

He was Jewish, but a great admirer of a certain Harry Elmer Barnes, who was sympathetic to Nazi Germany and indulged in some early Holocaust Denial type stuff. Rothbard wrote a glowing obituary of Barnes, but whereas he acknowledges his pro-German sympathies, says nothing about the latter phenomenon. He couldn't have been unaware of it, could he?

Maybe he really was just pretty crazy.

https://mises.org/library/harry-elmer-barnes-rip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Elmer_Barnes


Given that Friedman was sympathetic towards Augusto Pinochet, I'm not surprised.


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13 Jun 2018, 6:34 pm

DarthMetalKnight wrote:
He believed that Milton Freidman was a socialist, presumably because he was jealous of Friedman's popularity at the time.


As a supporter of Austrian Economics, of which Mises and Hayek are generally acknowledged to be the chief proponents, Rothbard had slightly more solid (from his point of view) grounds for regarding the likes of Friedman as a 'socialist', in the sense that Friedman did not really believe in 'sound money', for all his alleged role in the economic experiment which occurred in Pinochet's Chile.

Friedmanite Monetarism is a long way removed from classic Austrianism. Friedman for example believed in expanding the money supply by about 5% per year - when such a policy was vaguely adopted in Thatcher's Britain and Reagan's America in the 1980s, it was accompanied by inflation averaging close to 5%, an outcome which was quite predictable, but which would horrify any Austrian economist.

Friedman was also a close associate of former Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and strongly supported the latter's essentially Keynesian response to the financial crisis in 2008. In the 70s and 80s Monetarism was often touted by Conservatives as the antidote to Keynesian 'Socialism', but in fact the two economic theories have a good deal in common, and are really two sides of the same coin. Whether either theory is essentially 'socialist' is extremely doubtful.


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