Christian Marriage is a lifelong 1m1w covenant
30 Jun 2015, 6:02 pm
I agree with this, which is from a facebook post by Chaplain Stephen Wilcox of Theological Foundations Ministries, marriage is a lifelong covenant and not to be treated like a piece of legal toilet paper whenever emotions in opposition to keeping ones vows crop up.
"Question:
What is a Christian Marriage, according to the Scriptures and the Historical Church?
Answer:
1. It is written Marriage is an institution designed and administered by God for a lifelong union in Holy Matrimony of one man and one woman, according to the Scriptures
2. It is written God hates divorce and never sanctions it for covenant marriages. A covenant marriage is a union where God has joined a man who does not have another living pre-existent wife, to a woman that does not have another living pre-existent husband into what the Bible calls a one-flesh relationship, according to the Scriptures
3. It is written a husband or wife are not to separate from, or divorce their spouse, but if they are, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, they must remain single and celibate as long as they both live, or else be reconciled, according to the Scriptures
4. It is written a marriage may be violated, but not invalidated by adultery committed by either the husband or the wife, or both, according to the Scriptures
5. It is written that any marriage entered into by any man or woman who has a living pre-existing husband or wife is not a one-flesh covenant marriage that is recognized by God, and is considered to be the sin of adultery, and must be repented of and forsaken, according to the Scriptures.
6. It is written all homosexual relationships are forbidden by God. Homosexual marriages or any union of a woman to a woman, or a man to a man is an abomination in the eyes of God, and must be repented of and forsaken, according to the Scriptures.
ANALYSIS
(Here are the really interesting parts!)
The first Christians took their directions from elders in the church, the Holy Spirit and the written teachings of the apostles as circulated and exchanged between regions. The accumulated teachings have yielded a number of primary principles which can be collectively and succinctly expressed in simple statements.
The combined witness of Scripture and the early church leaders are overwhelmingly compelling on each of these statements. Standing behind these leaders are a wealth of endorsements within many of the over 30,000 early Christians' surviving codices, manuscripts and letters:
1. It is written that Marriage is an institution designed and administered by God for a lifelong union in Holy Matrimony of one man and one woman.
It is written in Matthew 19:4-6
"And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female”, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.’"
It is written in Mark 10:7-9
"'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
It is written in Matthew 5:31-32
"Furthermore it has been said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except fornication, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery."
It is written in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11
"Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife."
In is written in Matthew 19:9
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for fornication, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
It is written in Mark 10:11-12
So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."
It is written in Luke 16:18
"Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery."
It is written in 1 Corinthians 7:39
A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
It is written in Romans 7:1-3
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
Therefore The clear teaching on the subjects concerning marriage, divorce and remarriage is as follows:
1. It is written that Marriage is an institution designed and administered by God for a lifelong union in Holy Matrimony of one man and one woman, according to the Scriptures
2. It is written that God hates divorce and never sanctions it for covenant marriages. A covenant marriage is a union where God has joined a man who does not have another living pre-existent wife, to a woman that does not have another living pre-existent husband into what the Bible calls a one-flesh relationship, according to the Scriptures
3. It is written that a husband or wife are not to separate from, or divorce their spouse, but if they are, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, they must remain single and celibate as long as they both live, or else be reconciled, according to the Scriptures
4. It is written that a marriage may be violated, but not invalidated by adultery committed by either the husband or the wife, or both, according to the Scriptures
5. It is written that any marriage entered into by any man or woman who has a living pre-existing husband or wife is not a one-flesh covenant marriage that is recognized by God, and is considered to be the sin of adultery, and must be repented of and forsaken, according to the Scriptures.
6. It is written that all homosexual relationships are forbidden by God. Homosexual marriages or any union of a woman to a woman, or a man to a man is an abomination in the eyes of God, and must be repented of and forsaken, according to the Scriptures.
May the Lord bless you and keep you, and shine His light upon you and give you peace."
Mod edit: post was extremely long and broke the forum's format. I removed the non-Biblical quotes for the sake of length. They are viewable on Mr Wilcox's Facebook page
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30 Jun 2015, 6:31 pm
Yeah and what makes you think your religion ought to dictate all marriage? There is freedom of religion here which means no one has to abide by christian scriptures or rules if they don't want to. And sorry but you don't have the monopoly on marriage either? How do you feel of marriges without a christian ceremony, what if someone went with some kind of pagan ceremony...
And the bibles a book, it says things that people say that god wants, likes, hates, ect...but how do we really know any of that's true, did god come down and directly tell these people to write this stuff down? doubtful, humans always seem to think themselves the authority on what their respective 'god' wants. Anyways in this country we have the freedom to choose not to follow your scriptures.
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30 Jun 2015, 6:41 pm
Henry VIII was wrong to do that too. I'm not Catholic, but what he did was wrong. He threw out the church leaders who didn't tell him what he wanted to hear and installed his own church and put himself at the top of it so he could hear whatever he liked. That was wrong. Divorcing and killing his wives was also extremely wrong.
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30 Jun 2015, 6:49 pm
And the bibles a book, it says things that people say that god wants, likes, hates, ect...but how do we really know any of that's true, did god come down and directly tell these people to write this stuff down? doubtful, humans always seem to think themselves the authority on what their respective 'god' wants. Anyways in this country we have the freedom to choose not to follow your scriptures.
The Bible's historicity and the messianic prophecies indicate the Bible's accuracy and Jesus'/Yeshua's fulfillment of those prophecies (such as Isaiah 53 and many others, written centuries before Him) indicate that He is the Christ/Messiah. He said that to remarry another is to be considered adultery, and if He is the Son of God, then He has the authority to make that law.
The other items are that of homosexuality being a capital crime in Levitical law and thus it is something that will quite adversely affect your relationship with God and your eternal future, and so to advocate for it is to advocate for other's to go to hell basically.
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30 Jun 2015, 6:59 pm
If someone marries someone abusive, the abusive spouse should be required to be rehabilitated. Homosexuality is a capital crime in the Old Testament and in the New Testament it is a sin that assures you a ticket to Hell, so to advocate in favor of it is like advocating seasoning one's food with cyanide for their health. Polygamy isn't sin, but it's wrong and unfair and also shouldn't exist - perhaps God allowed it during the initial phases of the population growth of the world here, but it's getting close to the steady state phase of the population growth curve and that's probably why even most people who advocate for things stated outright as sin, such as homosexuality, are somehow opposed to the other form of marriage which God didn't condemn. God intended monogamy originally though, with Adam and Eve - for all their long lifespan they could only have each other, there was literally no one else for them (can you imagine that, trapped all those years? Heck, they might have had to grow up and learn how to get along with each other rather than play the blame game indefinitely) and thus should married couples, each husband and wife, learn to get along with each other rather than look for excuses to throw each other away and seek out someone "better". It would require maturity, something the last few generations have been lacking, but it's not impossible to do right.
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30 Jun 2015, 7:22 pm
A local church released this statement yesterday (June 29, 2015):
The State did not create the family, and it should not try to recreate the family in the State's own image. We will not capitulate on marriage because Biblical authority requires that we cannot. The outcome of the Supreme Court's ruling to redefine marriage represents what seems like the result of a half-century of witnessing marriage's decline through divorce, cohabitation, and a worldview of almost limitless sexual freedom. The Supreme Court's actions pose incalculable risks to an already volatile social fabric by alienating those whose beliefs about marriage are motivated by deep Biblical convictions and concern for the common good.
The Bible Clearly Teaches The Enduring Truth That MARRIAGE CONSISTS OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN
From Genesis to Revelation, the authority of Scripture witnesses to the nature of Biblical marriage as uniquely bound to the complementarity of man and woman. This truth is not negotiable. The Lord Jesus Himself said that marriage is from the beginning (Matthew 19:4-6), so no human institution has the authority to redefine marriage any more than a human institution has the authority to redefine the Gospel, which marriage mysteriously reflects (Ephesians 5:32). The Supreme Court's ruling to redefine marriage demonstrates mistaken judgment by disregarding what history and countless civilizations have passed on to us, but it also represents an aftermath that evangelicals themselves, sadly, are not guiltless in contributing to. Too often, professing evangelicals have failed to model the ideals we so dearly cherish and believe are central to Gospel proclamation.
Evangelical Churches Must Be Faithful To The Biblical Witness On Marriage Regardless Of The Cultural Shift.
Evangelical churches in America now find themselves in a new moral landscape that calls us to minister in a context growing more hostile to a Biblical sexual ethic. This is not new in the history of the church. From its earliest beginnings, whether on the margins of society or in a place of influence, the church is defined by the Gospel. We insist that the Gospel brings good news to all people, regardless of whether the culture considers the news good or not.
The Gospel Must Inform Our Approach To Public Witness
As evangelicals inspired and motivated by the good news that God offers reconciliation through the life, death, and resurrection of His Son, Jesus, we commit to:
• Respect and pray for our governing authorities even as we work through the democratic process to rebuild a culture of marriage (Romans 13:1-7)
• The TRUTH regarding Biblical marriage in a way that brings healing to our sexually broken culture
• Affirming the Biblical mandate that all persons, including LGBTQ persons, are created in the image of God and deserve dignity and respect
• Love our neighbors regardless of whatever disagreements arise as a result of conflicting beliefs about marriage
• Live respectfully and civilly alongside those who may disagree with us for the sake of the common good
• Cultivate a common culture of religious liberty that allows the freedom to live and believe differently to prosper.
The Redefinition Of Marriage Should Not Entail The Erosion Of Religious Liberty
In the coming years, evangelical institutions could be pressed to sacrifice their sacred beliefs about marriage and sexuality in order to accommodate whatever demands the culture and law require. We do not have the option to meet those demands without violating our consciences and surrendering the Gospel. We will not allow the government to coerce or infringe upon the rights of institutions to live by the sacred belief that only men and women can enter into marriage.
The Gospel of Christ Jesus determines for us the shape and tone of our ministry. Christian theology considers the teachings of the Gospel about marriage both timeless and unchanging, and therefore we must stand firm in this belief. Outrage and panic are not the responses of those confident in the promises of a reigning Christ Jesus. While we believe the Supreme Court has erred in its ruling, we pledge to stand steadfastly, faithfully witnessing to the Biblical teaching that marriage is the chief cornerstone of society, designed to unite men, women, and children.
Therefore, we promise to proclaim and live this truth at all costs, with convictions that are communicated with kindness and with love.
30 Jun 2015, 7:35 pm
I hope no one quotes the OP. It took a long time to scroll past on a mobile phone.
As for the rest of the conversation - as long as the Christians here don't start comparing homosexuals to animals that have sex with humans they can have their little corner where they list all the things they hate, and ill chill with the rest of humanity that has moved forward.
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30 Jun 2015, 7:42 pm
As for the rest of the conversation - as long as the Christians here don't start comparing homosexuals to animals that have sex with humans they can have their little corner where they list all the things they hate, and ill chill with the rest of humanity that has moved forward.
Homosexuality is still a sin, even if it isn't as bizarre as the other one you mentioned. It's still something wrong to advocate and condone because it is tantamount to encouraging any other mortal sin.
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30 Jun 2015, 7:54 pm
I think you need to look up what mortal sin means then look up the definitions of the words 'opinion", 'fact' and 'belief'.
I might as well make "The book of Spectrum" and say that someone who rates a tv show I like a 2/10 is committing a mortal sin by your definition, even though a) they never read my book of spectrum or knew of it b) don't understand my book of spectrum c) do not share the views of the scripture d) accept it as gospel (and thus, know it to be law or right and wrong and e) it is a viewpoint based on a set of principles, evangelised as fact.
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30 Jun 2015, 8:02 pm
You need to understand that they are not Christians and don't follow our religious code.
30 Jun 2015, 8:14 pm
Christians are free to practice their beliefs. If one of those beliefs is for Christian men to marry only Christian women, then that does not infringe upon the rights of the LBGT community. If it means that a Christian minister refuses to officiate (or even attend) a same-sex marriage, then that also does not infringe upon the rights of any member of the LBGT community, since that minister is not preventing the marriage, only refusing to take part in it. This has been upheld when a minister refuses to marry any couple when that minister feels that the couple is not ready for marriage.
In fact, the minister need only say, "I believe that you are not ready to be married" to legally avoid any liability for not participating in a same-sex marriage -- I know this, because it happened to me (my first marriage ... the minister was right ... we were not at all ready). We sought out another minister with more liberal views, had the ceremony, and everyone was happy (for a while, at least).
30 Jun 2015, 8:16 pm
The State did not create the family, and it should not try to recreate the family in the State's own image. We will not capitulate on marriage because Biblical authority requires that we cannot. The outcome of the Supreme Court's ruling to redefine marriage represents what seems like the result of a half-century of witnessing marriage's decline through divorce, cohabitation, and a worldview of almost limitless sexual freedom. The Supreme Court's actions pose incalculable risks to an already volatile social fabric by alienating those whose beliefs about marriage are motivated by deep Biblical convictions and concern for the common good.
The Bible Clearly Teaches The Enduring Truth That MARRIAGE CONSISTS OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN
From Genesis to Revelation, the authority of Scripture witnesses to the nature of Biblical marriage as uniquely bound to the complementarity of man and woman. This truth is not negotiable. The Lord Jesus Himself said that marriage is from the beginning (Matthew 19:4-6), so no human institution has the authority to redefine marriage any more than a human institution has the authority to redefine the Gospel, which marriage mysteriously reflects (Ephesians 5:32). The Supreme Court's ruling to redefine marriage demonstrates mistaken judgment by disregarding what history and countless civilizations have passed on to us, but it also represents an aftermath that evangelicals themselves, sadly, are not guiltless in contributing to. Too often, professing evangelicals have failed to model the ideals we so dearly cherish and believe are central to Gospel proclamation.
Evangelical Churches Must Be Faithful To The Biblical Witness On Marriage Regardless Of The Cultural Shift.
Evangelical churches in America now find themselves in a new moral landscape that calls us to minister in a context growing more hostile to a Biblical sexual ethic. This is not new in the history of the church. From its earliest beginnings, whether on the margins of society or in a place of influence, the church is defined by the Gospel. We insist that the Gospel brings good news to all people, regardless of whether the culture considers the news good or not.
The Gospel Must Inform Our Approach To Public Witness
As evangelicals inspired and motivated by the good news that God offers reconciliation through the life, death, and resurrection of His Son, Jesus, we commit to:
• Respect and pray for our governing authorities even as we work through the democratic process to rebuild a culture of marriage (Romans 13:1-7)
• The TRUTH regarding Biblical marriage in a way that brings healing to our sexually broken culture
• Affirming the Biblical mandate that all persons, including LGBTQ persons, are created in the image of God and deserve dignity and respect
• Love our neighbors regardless of whatever disagreements arise as a result of conflicting beliefs about marriage
• Live respectfully and civilly alongside those who may disagree with us for the sake of the common good
• Cultivate a common culture of religious liberty that allows the freedom to live and believe differently to prosper.
The Redefinition Of Marriage Should Not Entail The Erosion Of Religious Liberty
In the coming years, evangelical institutions could be pressed to sacrifice their sacred beliefs about marriage and sexuality in order to accommodate whatever demands the culture and law require. We do not have the option to meet those demands without violating our consciences and surrendering the Gospel. We will not allow the government to coerce or infringe upon the rights of institutions to live by the sacred belief that only men and women can enter into marriage.
The Gospel of Christ Jesus determines for us the shape and tone of our ministry. Christian theology considers the teachings of the Gospel about marriage both timeless and unchanging, and therefore we must stand firm in this belief. Outrage and panic are not the responses of those confident in the promises of a reigning Christ Jesus. While we believe the Supreme Court has erred in its ruling, we pledge to stand steadfastly, faithfully witnessing to the Biblical teaching that marriage is the chief cornerstone of society, designed to unite men, women, and children.
Therefore, we promise to proclaim and live this truth at all costs, with convictions that are communicated with kindness and with love.
All that flowery talk of women complimentary to men when in reality, throughout antiquity, marriage has mostly been about political pacts, social climbing, and the status children will instantly receive by being born into wedlock. It rarely had anything to do with how the woman and the man got along. They could be married and literally hate each other so long as they could produce children together.
30 Jun 2015, 8:23 pm
As for the rest of the conversation - as long as the Christians here don't start comparing homosexuals to animals that have sex with humans they can have their little corner where they list all the things they hate, and ill chill with the rest of humanity that has moved forward.
Homosexuality is still a sin, even if it isn't as bizarre as the other one you mentioned. It's still something wrong to advocate and condone because it is tantamount to encouraging any other mortal sin.
Just because you think the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong doesn't mean that you should believe that homosexuality is wrong. After all, the Bible is just a book, which was written, edited, revised, & translated by fallible, error-prone human beings, which means that it's got to have at least one error in it, & it has plenty. Have you ever actually looked at the Bible with a critical eye, instead of just blindly believing that it's free of any sort of errors?
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30 Jun 2015, 8:29 pm
Christians are free to practice their beliefs. If one of those beliefs is for Christian men to marry only Christian women, then that does not infringe upon the rights of the LBGT community. If it means that a Christian minister refuses to officiate (or even attend) a same-sex marriage, then that also does not infringe upon the rights of any member of the LBGT community, since that minister is not preventing the marriage, only refusing to take part in it. This has been upheld when a minister refuses to marry any couple when that minister feels that the couple is not ready for marriage.
In fact, the minister need only say, "I believe that you are not ready to be married" to legally avoid any liability for not participating in a same-sex marriage -- I know this, because it happened to me (my first marriage ... the minister was right ... we were not at all ready). We sought out another minister with more liberal views, had the ceremony, and everyone was happy (for a while, at least).
I think that I made a mess quoting, I was actually talking to the OP. You talking to me? If so I don't understand what you would like me to understand.
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