I have now decided : The Earth is actually FLAT...!

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21 Apr 2016, 11:54 am

objects do look like they are going behind the horizon but its an iilusion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhhCYYkILw

You may know about lenses but you have to admit its extremely misleading to use fisheye lenses at high altitudes when it completely gives a false impression. It is like looking into a fairground mirror, and your explanation of just looking at a part of the mirror makes no sense.
The average person has almost no knowledge of lenses and the mythbusters and Felix Baumgartener footage both give an obvious false impression.

could you provide a link to the PBS documentary with footage from 100,000 feet?

This video is suppsoed to be at around 100,000 feet and the horizon looks quite flat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg



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21 Apr 2016, 12:55 pm

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Am all thumbs computerwise.
Dont know how to do links. Lol!

But if you go to the website of PBS, and click on the TV series "American Experience", probably the first thing you will see will be the show "Space Men". That's the show. Click that and watch.



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22 Apr 2016, 10:37 pm

Ha look at this space walk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdKOOjPOy-g

At 4 hrs 11 minutes you see the grey thing on the left has bouyancy! Because it is filmed in a large swimming pool.

The grey thing doesn't react to momentum,it just keeps going in the same direction because it is floating.

The astronaut even bats the object down and it floats right back up again.



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06 May 2016, 1:25 pm

Alright, guys, from the looks of things, I need to make a return-appearance.

This whole Flat-Earth thing seems to continue to be in serious debate. I like jumping fences (both literally and figuratively). I have actually examined both sides of this Flat-Earth versus Round-Earth debate thing and, I have to say, neither "side" has it 100% correct. I also suspect that attempts to suppress investigation into Flat-Earth Theory has to do with Flat-Earth sharing and having the same acronym and being related to Free-Energy and the Financial-Elite. Strange as that may seem, this idea about spell-casting might not necessarily be so far off, something that becomes extremely obvious when you learn how Legalese manipulates the meanings/definitions/intent of language. Anyway...

Some of the Flat-Earther claims are that we never went to the Moon, that Outer-Space is actually Non-Existent, the ISS is a Hoax, Satellites are not Real, and various other tidbits, etc. The Globe-Earthers point towards NASA-footage of the Moon-Landing, Satellites and a Space-Station Orbiting in Outer-Space that you can see from your own House with Binoculars/Telescopes, full video-tours can be seen of the ISS to prove that it is real, and various other tidbits.

Now let's examine these claims for a bit and either some related eye-brow-raising information or discrepancies or inconsistencies.

The Moon-Landing : Out of all of the sources I have come across, one of them with a high-level of credibility is a man by the name of Dr. Steven Greer who founded the CSETI-Project and, according to his information, only one time did humans ever set foot on the moon, landing inside of a crater, but were "warned off" the moon by alien/extra-terrestrial presences, and the reason given was that the human-species were forbidden from any further space-exploration, due to humanity being part of a war-mongering "military industrial complex" culture. Thus, the idea that the moon-landing never happened can be laid to rest, although the footage of the alleged moon-landing still remains questionable, and may factually have been hoaxed via blue/green-screening.

The idea of outer-space being non-existent can also be laid to rest, how-ever, take a look at the following images and tell me how to explain these inconsistencies with the so-called pictures/photographs that were allegedly captured from a camera...

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...examine each and every single one of them VERY CLOSELY and tell me how to explain some inconsistencies. For the last picture, Saturn is viewed from behind the surface where sun-light should be able to hit, yet appears to be glowing rather brightly for the "dark" side of a planet. Before that one, the previous image is also glowing rather brightly, without any real effect of a shadow being cast, and no stars are visible.

The middle image displays Saturn with plenty of stars in the background, the sun shining brightly, the angle of the shadowed part of the planet pointing in a completely different direction than what would be seen if the sun were truly off in the distance/direction as displayed in said picture, nor are any shadows of the planet itself cast onto the orbit-rings, and plenty of evidence pointing to this image being a CGI-Rendering.

Now let's go to the first two images, allegèdly taken from space-probes, and apply some skepticism... such as asking about the direction of the shadows, the existence of stars in the back-ground, how the allegèd "dark" side of the planet seems to be glowing or giving off its own light-source (whilst the "dark" side of the moon or other allegèd photos/pictures/film-captures of supposèd planets is always shown to be very black...)

Also, the ISS may be allegedly be visible, and shown to exist but, weather-balloons have not captured any footage of either any of the satellites, nor the ISS, despite the "fact" that the ISS is supposed to be visible from your own home via binoculars/telescopes. Additionally, footage of a Hot-Spot can be seen in some footage captured by Weather-Balloons, such as the following...



For those whom are not yet familiar with the history, the distance to the sun has varied distances of 450 millions of miles apart in measurements, depending on which school-book you use, and its year of publication. Additionally, biologist Dr. Rupert Sheldrake had discovered a similar phenomenon with the Speed-of-Light history, too. The value for the Speed-of-Light has different values depending on which year the books were published. This is a HUGE "rocker" for the "boat" called NASA-science. Why ? Even a SLIGHT change within the ACTUAL distance that Light Travels Per Second would basically mean that ALL "scientific-calculations/beliefs" have to suddenly be thrown out the window, and RE-calculated, such as the Age of the Universe (currently approximated to 13.8 billion years ago before Brane-Theory hypothesized Micro-Wave to Material-Existence), distance to the Sun (currently valued at 93.3 million miles away by main-stream NASA-science), and just about nearly EVERYTHING else that relied on Spectroscopy/Spectrometry.

NASA-Project : This is apparently more like a front that is used to funnel/channel Black-Budget Tax-Dollars into secret behind-the-scenes nefarious-activities. NASA has been so highly compartmentalised that very few people have any idea what the compartment next to them even does within its operations. For the rest of the REAL purposes behind NASA, I am just going to advise you to listen to all of Dr. Steven Greer's seminars, and he explains how it's related to hiding an intended future False-Flag of an Alien-Invasion (even though such craft and alien-looking creatures would actually be MAN-MADE and these creatures being human-programmed mini-androids with their own Artificial-Intelligence). The government would then be played like a puppet, presidents/politicians being tricked into believing that it's a genuine alien/out-side threat, who then goes on to make a speech about how NASA needs another 3$US trillion worth of your tax-dollars on a daily basis in order to fight off this next "terrorist" boogey-man (even though it was merely all staged).

Final Mention/s : I actually now have reason to believe that the earth could actually potentially be both flat and spherical simultaneously. The reasons for this are probably at a level of science that we do not yet understand within the realm of Quantum-Mechanics or perhaps even more advanced than the subject of Quantum-Physics. I think we can make a lot of progress here, and build some bridges, come closer to the truths about reality, instead of being divided and conquered into Republican-vs-Democrat/Atheist-vs-Christian-vs-Muslim/etc., type debates that only create walls/barriers/borders, and keep us separated, whilst all of the Financial-Elite keep going to the bank...



Just to give you an idea of the REAL power-structures in society...
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06 May 2016, 1:50 pm

Physics can't support a flat-earth concept. The very idea that of the earth being flat isn't even possible.

I've been at 40+ thousand feet and have seen the curve of the earth with my naked eyes.

Furthermore, for those who don't like science very much (which "Flat-earthers" seem to oppose science), every celestial body we know of in space is round or round-ish.

Earth is closer to an egg shape, than spherical.

Having been a seafarer (and still am at heart), I understand nautical navigation and the necessary understandings of the tides, etc. That said, there is no way the earth is flat.

Many souls have sailed around the world without the use of modern technologies and can bare further witness to the earth not being flat. I can bare that witness too.

Anyway, take it or leave it, the choice is up to you as to what you choose to believe.



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06 May 2016, 2:30 pm

Hollow, and we are on the inside surface. Everything in the day and night skies is an atmospheric phenomenon within the concave Earth caused by, er, the Holographic Principle. And quantum. Lots of quantum. (In sober truth, someone apparently convinced Hitler of this. He authorised experiments to spy on British ships by pointing instruments 30 degrees up in the sky.)


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06 May 2016, 2:31 pm

Haytham wrote:
Physics can't support a flat-earth concept. The very idea that of the earth being flat isn't even possible.

Quantum-Physics actually manages to be able to support such concepts as possibilities. Even if rejected by main-streamists.

Haytham wrote:
I've been at 40+ thousand feet and have seen the curve of the earth with my naked eyes.

This needs to be clarified/quantified. Completely naked eyes would be from, say, whilst riding in a hot-air-balloon at 40K+ feet in the air. Were you in a hot-air-balloon at that altitude ? Otherwise the eye cannot be regarded as naked if viewed through a window or other type of transparent-barrier.

Haytham wrote:
Furthermore, for those who don't like science very much (which "Flat-earthers" seem to oppose science), every celestial body we know of in space is round or round-ish.

Have you ever considered that, anything that gives off a light-source, will always appear round from a distance, even if the object itself is not a sphere ? I have seen plenty of aero-planes fly through the sky at night before, and possible other things, and the light that it gives off certainly appears spherical, but the air-craft itself from which the light-source is originating is not itself a sphere. Just because you see a light at a distance does not automatically make the object emitting said light into a round sphere.

Haytham wrote:
Earth is closer to an egg shape, than spherical.

I have heard plenty of claims ranging from globe, ball, sphere, egg-shaped, including that of pear-shaped, elongated spheroid, hollow, concave, etc. Pear-shaped and elongated spheroid comes from "official" sources by the way. Not only that, I forgot to mention, but Physics has also made this "official" declaration that the Universe is Flat...

Haytham wrote:
Having been a seafarer (and still am at heart), I understand nautical navigation and the necessary understandings of the tides, etc. That said, there is no way the earth is flat.

Alas, I have also come across sea-farers who have come to conclude that flat-earth theory (some of it anyway), actually has more validity than globe-earth theory (assuming that they are not sock-puppet accounts of course). Additionally, I have come across comments from star-gazers, who have observed the skies since they were little, and they have pondered the evidence, and have become skeptical that this earth is a ball that is spinning as fast as claimed by the so-called science-books (combine the speeds/rotations of earth, orbits, galaxies, stars, solar-systems, etc., then compare what it's supposed to look like when you're watching the distance from out the side of the window of an air-plane that's flying in a straight line, versus how the surroundings/distance actually looks like when spinning from the edge of a merry-go-round).

Haytham wrote:
Many souls have sailed around the world without the use of modern technologies and can bare further witness to the earth not being flat. I can bare that witness too.

I have also "traveled around the world" a minimum of a dozen times (the circling of the globe as they say). I am actually no longer so certain of this planet's shape myself, and I would rather not adhere to any ideas of certainty anyway, nor have I been able to find any individual on any of the on-line forums or elsewhere who has been willing to address the discrepancies of the photos/images of Saturn, provide footage of satellites or the ISS from weather-balloon cameras, but I digress.

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Anyway, take it or leave it, the choice is up to you as to what you choose to believe.

Believe it or not, many people have taken it as fact, but then many of them, for whatever reasons, decided to leave it after attempting to debunk some of the flat-earth evidences (they are, how-ever, apparently a mix of both over-zealous fundamentalist-style debate-tactics, with some genuine investigations/experiments that actually give compelling reasons to put the globe-earth model to question). I, personally, like hopping fences. Reality and the very laws of physics could suddenly change on us without our knowing for all I know...


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06 May 2016, 2:46 pm

There's a local islamic cult who believes that earth is flat.

My neighbor is one of them - I have asked him to show me photos of the edge.



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06 May 2016, 2:58 pm

Gosh!

If the earth is a flat disk (like all of these modern flat earthers claim) then....

Whats on the flip side?

Is there a whole nother world on the tail side?



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06 May 2016, 3:04 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
There's a local islamic cult who believes that earth is flat.

My neighbor is one of them - I have asked him to show me photos of the edge.


Give him a compass and tell him to head north.


Probably been reading the Qu'ran

And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);

And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-

And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),

And the earth/Planet Earth after that He blew and stretched/spread it.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Flat_Earth_and_the_Quran



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06 May 2016, 3:04 pm

Actually- from the point of view of a neutrino generated at the Sun's core the Earth IS flat because neutrino's move at the speed of light so earth moves relative to them at the SOL which means Earth would appear flat to them because of the Fitzgerald Contraction that results from Relativity.



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06 May 2016, 3:10 pm

Just to point out, it's trivial to track the phases of Venus & via a telescope verify that the termination line is curved, just like one can watch the same phenomenon occur with the moon. Also, the motions of the four visible planets (along with the other known objects) are only predictable using the known equations if they follow round/elliptical orbits around the sun. Science works.

And with a telescope one can see the ISS against the moon, as my daughter and I have done. We've also timed the transit as well as timed its passage across the sky, to calculate the orbital height. And, it reappears exactly whenever it should based on calculations that only work if the assumption of a round(-ish) Earth were correct. Again, Science works.

To entertain these other theories, it's not enough to simply come up with "alternative" explanations. One must *also* be able to make alternate predictions that work as well or better than the current ones. Flat Earth and the others have failed miserably in that endeavor, thus they *must* be relegated to the dustbin barring some significant change in their predictive results.


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06 May 2016, 3:18 pm

Two questions.

1) How does day-and-night work if the earth is flat? Where does the sun go at night if the earth isnt really spinning?

2) What is the motivation? What do they (whoever "they" are) gain from this centuries long vast conspiracy to deceive us all about the true shape of the Earth?



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06 May 2016, 3:58 pm

The surface of a sphere is locally flat, but is globally curved. At each point for a sufficiently small patch around that point the patch is homeomorphic to a finite region of the the Euclidean Plane. But there is no global homeomorphism...

That is why it is possible to have flat maps of limited portions of the earth's surface but there is no flat map that is faithful over the entire surface of the earth. That is why maps of very extensive areas have to distort shapes and sizes.


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06 May 2016, 4:30 pm

Re: the moon landings

When the astronauts took off from the moon they had to meet with a module that was orbiting the moon and dock with it,
this doesn't seem possible,especially with 60's tech, to launch at the exact time and do all the manouvers.



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