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13 Feb 2013, 3:59 pm

I can´t help myself, I see prenatal diagnostic and abortion due to the child´s disbility as fascistic eugenics.



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13 Feb 2013, 4:36 pm

depends on the nature of the disability. In many cases, the difficulties caused by the disability or illness would invariably render the quality of life so low to the point that abortion might be kinder in the long run. Things like extreme deformities, where conjoined twins share a single heart or even a single brain for example.

What I find offensive though is comparing abortion to nazi eugenics.


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13 Feb 2013, 4:36 pm

I find abortion offensive for any other reason besides rape or life of the mother.



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13 Feb 2013, 4:42 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I find abortion offensive for any other reason besides rape or life of the mother.


I'm sure women who want control over their bodies find it just as offensive that others should lecture them on why they cant.


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13 Feb 2013, 4:45 pm

That depends on the disability. If the disability is such that the child cannot live a human life, then termination is the best option. If the disability is such that it merely inconveniences the parents, that is a different matter.

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13 Feb 2013, 4:49 pm

ruveyn wrote:
That depends on the disability. If the disability is such that the child cannot live a human life, then termination is the best option. If the disability is such that it merely inconveniences the parents, that is a different matter.

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in this case, 'human' is something of a weasel word. Take a person with extreme kanner's autism for example. Many people would say they are incapable of living a 'human' life in the conventional sense but it doesnt mean they couldnt live in a different way that is meaningful to them. I would hate for a baby to be terminated on these grounds alone.

If the disability is going to cause long term extreme suffering that cannot be outgrown, rectified or treated, that is the time to consider abortion on these grounds.


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13 Feb 2013, 4:56 pm

thomas81 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
That depends on the disability. If the disability is such that the child cannot live a human life, then termination is the best option. If the disability is such that it merely inconveniences the parents, that is a different matter.

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in this case, 'human' is something of a weasel word. Take a person with extreme kanner's autism for example. Many people would say they are incapable of living a 'human' life in the conventional sense but it doesnt mean they couldnt live in a different way that is meaningful to them. I would hate for a baby to be terminated on these grounds alone.

If the disability is going to cause long term extreme suffering that cannot be outgrown, rectified or treated, that is the time to consider abortion on these grounds.


I agree with your reservations. What I had in mind was a condition like spina biffida or acephelia which is being born with a brain missing the cerebral cortex. With the latter there is no hope of a human existence in any sensible meaning of the word.

I also concur with your reservation concerning suffering. We put down our beloved pets when the pain gets too great. We should do the same for people if they so desire or the parents of a suffering infant so require.

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13 Feb 2013, 5:03 pm

Mercifully, the odds of instances happening where a disability would be a appropriate grounds for abortion are astronomically low.

Another condition I can think of where I'd rather be aborted than born with is something like dystrophic epidermolysis bullosa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidermolysis_bullosa


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13 Feb 2013, 5:14 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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That depends on the disability. If the disability is such that the child cannot live a human life, then termination is the best option. If the disability is such that it merely inconveniences the parents, that is a different matter.

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in this case, 'human' is something of a weasel word. Take a person with extreme kanner's autism for example. Many people would say they are incapable of living a 'human' life in the conventional sense but it doesnt mean they couldnt live in a different way that is meaningful to them. I would hate for a baby to be terminated on these grounds alone.

If the disability is going to cause long term extreme suffering that cannot be outgrown, rectified or treated, that is the time to consider abortion on these grounds.


I agree with your reservations. What I had in mind was a condition like spina biffida or acephelia which is being born with a brain missing the cerebral cortex. With the latter there is no hope of a human existence in any sensible meaning of the word.

I also concur with your reservation concerning suffering. We put down our beloved pets when the pain gets too great. We should do the same for people if they so desire or the parents of a suffering infant so require.

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Um, my little brother actually has Spina Bifida, so that's not exactly accurate.

That said, his personality is still as NT as everyone else...


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13 Feb 2013, 5:16 pm

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Um, my little brother actually has Spina Bifida, so that's not exactly accurate.

That said, his personality is still as NT as everyone else...


He can correct me if I'm wrong, but i think Ruveyn is referring specifically to disabilities where part of the brain is missing, hence no chance of a meaningful life.

That said, I've never heard of spina bifida causing this. I think there are other disabilities not affecting the brain that should be considered grounds for abortion. DEB for example, as I already mentioned.


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13 Feb 2013, 5:31 pm

I was going to say something else here.
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13 Feb 2013, 5:33 pm

thomas81 wrote:
If the disability is going to cause long term extreme suffering that cannot be outgrown, rectified or treated, that is the time to consider abortion on these grounds.


I agree with this. I find the thought of aborting a baby because they will likely be an Aspie disgusting, but when a baby may be born with something like Trisomy 18, then abortion should definitely be considered.



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13 Feb 2013, 5:39 pm

If there is a defect so severe that there will be NO quality of life,then I would prefer to not be born.


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13 Feb 2013, 6:51 pm

Nope. Wish I'd been aborted. Would have saved humanity a lot of trouble.



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13 Feb 2013, 7:11 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
Nope. Wish I'd been aborted. Would have saved humanity a lot of trouble.


Based on what?


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13 Feb 2013, 7:36 pm

Zodai wrote:

Um, my little brother actually has Spina Bifida, so that's not exactly accurate.

That said, his personality is still as NT as everyone else...


I sit corrected. I did not know spina biffida could be treated.

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