British Labour Party openly embraces Islamic extremists

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There's many Islam-related topics I wanted to post here over the last few days (starting with this YouTube video, in which an Egyptian Islamic university have just produced new textbooks that say that, among other things, it's perfectly acceptable for Muslims to kill apostates and eat them - good on the presenters for being horrified, but one wonders how long they will be able to be visibly so in the Islamist climate of that country - I genuinely pity the Christians, women, gay people and secular and liberal Muslims, the poor bastards) but I'll stick with just one.

This is a revealing and horrifying read, and it's from the left-wing Harry's Place blog. I don't always agree with everything they write, for many reasons - they're damned socialists for a start - but they're absolutely on-point about the moral bankruptcy of much of the left, not only in Britain but also in Europe as well.

My only question is this: would the Labour Party in hard-to-reach white areas get into bed and openly endorse violent, racist Christian fundamentalists or even BNP-type outfits? If not, why not? They are the kind of people that would claim to speak for the entire Christian community if they were able to. Fear has a lot to do with people not speaking out.

How on Earth must genuinely liberal and tolerant Muslims, people who have a wide variety of different opinions on different subjects just like anyone else (they do exist and exist they do in abundance, albeit rather quietly) and ex-Muslims, like the Council of Ex-Muslims, who wrote in the comments on HP:

...feel when their country's main opposition party gets into bed with their totalitarian, religious fascist oppressors?

Still, anything to keep the "Muslim vote" onside eh? Even if these clowns don't represent Muslims in general much more than, say, the French National Front represents the white population of France:


These people are not just the enemy of non-Muslims (especially Jews, women and gays) or liberal Muslims; they are the enemy of all humanity, quite frankly.

This will be a massive stain on Labour for a very long time. I hope they never live this down once people realise just how craven Labour have been and how eager the party has taken to banding together with religious fundamentalists. The Labour party is poison to freedom in Britain. Simple as that.

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No surprise there.....

No, but so brazenly and openly supporting people who are openly tied to terrorism in order to receive votes? It's a shock even for me.

The Labour Party would never cuddle up to vicious white supremacist extremists in this way. They'd never spend time with or endorse a student group riddled with fanatical neo-Nazis (in fact, the government has actually disowned the Islamic student society I refer to because they realise that they're part of the problem), or have anything to do with people who believed that white people who commit racist violence should be covered up and protected for the benefit of the white community.

This making of common cause with religious fanatics has to stop.

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To the left any right winger is a white supremacist. I've been told that directly by a few of them when they were wound up about something.

C'mon this is the Labour party we're talking about here. Bliar and Brown, buddies of dubya and the GOP, invaders of Afghanistan & Iraq, whilst having desert tea parties with Gaddafi, reverting manifesto promises on education, selling our independence down the river at Lisbon. Are you really surprised, really?

I'm surprised because even the (very left-wing, in many cases) ex-Muslim organisations and liberal Muslims are absolutely horrified by this kind of crap. And I don't blame them either - I'm horrified by it, and for much the same reasons.

Sounds worrying, but there are three possible reasons to not panic:
(1.) Left-wing political parties tend to be broad churches.
(2.) The connection claimed for Ed Miliband (the connection which proves that the problem goes "all the way to the top") has two degrees of separation, and both links basically just involve two people being in the same room as each other.
(3.) Even though their rhetoric can be insane, Hamas is the "official" representative of a reasonable cause. Meeting with Hamas people doesn't necessarily mean that you buy into their rhetoric - it might just mean that you believe in the Palestinian cause.

They do, but Labour has changed beyond recognition from, say, a few decades ago. In the Britain of, say, the 1960s, I probably wouldn't be massively against voting Labour. Now? I think they're poison.

Would David Miliband meet with neo-Nazis then for their votes? If not, why not?

This aligning with Islamists goes a lot further than you think.

For example:

You haven't seen the enormous Labour mess that is Tower Hamlets, which was a Labour borough taken over lock, stock and barrel by Islamists some years ago and where the local Labour Party was, some years ago, completely infiltrated by said extremists - in around 2005, a local Labour MP plainly said as much.

35% of the electorate there are Bangladeshi; yet 100% of the Cabinet is Bangladeshi, because they booted out all the white people. The mayor of Tower Hamlets wants an Islamic caliphate in Europe. There are enough instances of corruption there - the council is egregiously, unbelievably corrupt (I'm not saying that there isn't corruption in this country, far from it, but it's ten times as bad in Tower Hamlets and probably in a few other parts of the country) to last you all morning. Anyone raising any objection - like the opposition councillors - is legally harassed for endless spurious reasons just for doing their job. The Mayor of London of the time - Ken Livingstone, a noted supporter of genocidal Islamists such as Yusuf al-Qaradawi - supported the independent Islamist candidate (Lutfur Rahman) over their official Labour candidate.

Tower Hamlets is that corrupt that central government have been mulling over stepping in and the councillors have taken support from a special national local government body.

Have a look at this, this, this (it has got so bad that Livingstone was laughed out of the meeting when he tried to help his extremist pal again, especially after all the damage that it's done to the local Labour party and to Labour in east London, never mind the country), this (the curious case of the most senior white lackey on the council), and this. There's loads more if you're interested.

Oh, and here's the situation regarding the East London Mosque, a major institution in that part of the world, which has hosted hate preachers in the past - and four anti-gay speakers in December alone whilst lying to the outside world about their condemnation of homophobia.

(It's well worth noting that there are some very informative comments in the comment pages - don't know if they're still there - by an observant Muslim living in the area. They're an incredible eye-opener. He explains the situation for anyone in any doubt - basically, he says that politics in these areas are Pakistani/Bangladeshi, not British. We're basically dealing with "the Muslim community" - with all the identity politics that this implies - as though it's a foreign country, not as though they're our own citizens.)

And:

They've pulled this kind of crap before. They were people who had the Muslim Council of Britain - you know, the sort of people that mainly cause problems and friction between Muslims and non-Muslims - as official representatives of the government during the Labour era, when they were given free reign to spread their lies and flimflam over the radio.



Numerous Labour MPs support extremist Islamists, some of which were at that meeting. Andy Slaughter, Sadiq Khan, Stephen Timms (who was stabbed by an Islamist constituent of his). Jeremy Corbyn is another very well-known sympathiser with Islamism on the extreme left of the party. Stephen Sizer is another serious anti-Semite in the Labour Party. And that's not forgetting the others I've forgot to mention and some of the other Muslim MPs that are sympathetic to (or won't condemn) Islamism.

This isn't just the case in Tower Hamlets - numerous other constituencies (mostly Labour, but sometimes not) have this sickness, this disease.




So, if you believe in Palestinian statehood, you might be happy to want to meet with the representatives of people who actively support religious genocide?

You can be pro-Palestinian without being anti-Israel. I strongly support Israel, yet I believe that, if the Palestinians stop the violence, the hatred, the incitement and the Islamism, there's a separate state for them too.

I might agree with Greece leaving the EU and starting again - doesn't mean I'd want to be in any way associated with Golden Dawn, for example.

You could have a look at how they treat their own women and children in Gaza. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want to be in the same room as anyone that supports them.

There are loads of better ways you could believe in a Palestinian state - I do - without supporting genocidal lunatics. I might believe in Irish unification, for instance - doesn't mean I'd want to, for example, have anything to do with people that want to kill every last person of English descent on Earth. (No Irish republican terrorist organisation has ever threatened such.)

Hamas is a reasonable cause if you think the Holocaust was reasonable. Hamas, let us not forget, explicitly say they want to kill every last Jew on Earth, starting with the ones living in Israel. Their Charter specifically states that that is what they want to do. It's not just a case of rhetoric - they're militants with genocidal aspirations. What they are is what's on the tin. Sacrificing Israel would not change a thing, and it would make the West less safe. These people want to take over the entire world for Islam and that are against Israel because they see it as a mortal insult to Islam by the Jews and that must be wiped from the map.

The reason behind all of this is because Labour is trying everything it can do to prevent the formation of a viable Islamic political party. In the past they pork barrelled Muslim communities with money for new minarets whilst telling the white working class non-Muslims to get stuffed and have their services cut. Labour was also instrumental in founding the highly secular and liberal (ignore anybody who says it is Islamic) Respect party to act as a safety valve following the invasion of Iraq.

There is certainly enough support in numbers for an Islamic political party and I estimate that it could elect 6 or 7 MPs and possibly as many as 4 MEPs plus members on the London Assembly.

There hasn't been any serious desire for an Islamic political party anywhere in Europe. There was once an Islamic Party of Britain, but that fizzled out.

I do wonder how much real support for an Islamic political party there actually is, given the, er, 'irregular' voting patterns of some constituencies with very large Muslim presences.

I suspect the Islamists are far keener on getting a hold of power through entryism and by deceit (at least to most of the general, non-political public) rather than coming right out and saying what they are. If they did that, the electorate would be enraged. Far better to try and do it quietly.

You are wrong. There are undercurrents in Islamic communities that are driving the desire for Islamic political parties. I suspect that they will initially be localised affairs rather than a single party for the whole of the UK. The Islamic Party of Britain was not a serious party but more of a think tank run by rather wacky individuals that made little attempt to connect with local communities. It was also launched prematurely in an era when there was little demand for Islamic politics.



Define irregular and provide some examples.

I'm talking about outright electoral fraud, Arran.

For a start, Tory peer Sayeeda Warsi alleges that electoral fraud committed by the 'Asian' community prevented the Tories from taking several key marginal seats.


And there has been serious electoral fraud in the Islamist-dominated borough of Tower Hamlets. Have a look at these two stories by Andrew Gilligan:


And an update on that story:



There's at least one cast-iron instance, in the notoriously corrupt Bangladeshi Islamist (at least in the make-up of the council anyway, though they form a minority in the area itself) borough of Tower Hamlets.

Oh, and one more:



I can probably provide more examples if you want them. But the catastrophe in the rotten borough of Tower Hamlets looks the most immediately obvious.

You have just told me what I knew years ago. Much of this fraud is committed by the Labour party although Muslims in other parties have not all been immune from it.

Personally I think that photographic ID combined with a national register of voters will put a stop to most of it. The British system of adding names to the electoral roll and casting your ballot is unchanged from the 19th century; hideously insecure; and downright crazy in a modern nation.

It does seem to be particularly concentrated in areas with large Muslim populations, although of course undemocratic non-Muslim scumbags have been guilty of it too.

Reasonably reliable sources have told me that the bulk of the fraud is committed by secularised Muslims who put ethnic cultural issues and the interests of their taxi driver mates before religious matters rather than Muslims who support politicised Islam and Sharia law. This is often termed the biraderi vote. I'm not denying that there are Muslims who support politicised Islam and Sharia law who use tactics of infiltration. Nobody knows the exact numbers but there are probably fewer than you like to think there are. Troy Southgate is spot on that the Labour party only wants secularised watered down Muslims like those in the MCB and will not tolerate religious ‘extremism’ of any kind.

Does UKIP have any solutions to the problem of electoral and postal voting fraud?

I don't think they're secular. And I don't think they're that watered down. They're in it to make money for themselves by using the nasties as cover.

Iqbal Sacranie, general secretary on the MCB up until 2006, on the Rushdie case: “Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him his mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah.

Nice chap.