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01 Oct 2015, 9:04 pm

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Freedom of religion means you have the right to practice your belief. The problem with people crying freedom of religion while denying gay marriage is that they infringe other peoples rights while trying to look like the victim. Fundamentalist Christians are tyrants who do not get the separation of church and state and believe that freedom of religion allows them to use the law against people who are unfavorable in their worldview.

Do not like gay marriage? Do not get married to the same sex.
You have the right to belief that homosexuality is wrong, however you do not have the right to use that belief as a reason to deny others of their rights. Christian belief was used as a reason to deny interracial marriage. That doesn't sound like freedom to me, that sounds more like religious tyranny.


Clearly you're an intolerant atheist, so I will give you a reason why, homosexuality is a sin, and allowing two homosexuals engage in something as sacred in our religion such as marriage is equatable to pissing on the Bible.

But I wouldn't expect a christianphobic to know that.


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01 Oct 2015, 9:44 pm

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Freedom of religion means you have the right to practice your belief. The problem with people crying freedom of religion while denying gay marriage is that they infringe other peoples rights while trying to look like the victim. Fundamentalist Christians are tyrants who do not get the separation of church and state and believe that freedom of religion allows them to use the law against people who are unfavorable in their worldview.

Do not like gay marriage? Do not get married to the same sex.
You have the right to belief that homosexuality is wrong, however you do not have the right to use that belief as a reason to deny others of their rights. Christian belief was used as a reason to deny interracial marriage. That doesn't sound like freedom to me, that sounds more like religious tyranny.


Clearly you're an intolerant atheist, so I will give you a reason why, homosexuality is a sin, and allowing two homosexuals engage in something as sacred in our religion such as marriage is equatable to pissing on the Bible.

But I wouldn't expect a christianphobic to know that.


How are they an 'intolerant' athiest for saying religion should not be used to deny people their rights granted by the constitution...I don't see any personal attacks or calls to single out and persecute christians I see someone saying practice your beliefs as much as you want but don't try and force them on other people who don't believe the same way.

Also yes in your particular form of christianity homosexuality is a sin....so don't practice homosexuality. But yeah we have this thing called freedom of religion here 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof' legally speaking the constitution holds more ground than the bible in this country. Thus your religion doesn't have the monopoly on marriage, jews, muslims, athiests, pagans, satanists, agnostics, buddists and all sorts of people have unchristian marriages the law needs to respect that.

Someone is not a christianaphobic for wanting you to keep your religion out of their personal life.... :roll:


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01 Oct 2015, 9:50 pm

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Let me inform all of you of Dr. Ben Carson's message...

Dr. Ben Carson said he would not support a Muslim President if he didn't look past Sharia. Fair Enough? The Constitution was rooted in Christian values and theory, and what he meant was that if a Muslim ran for President he would have to reject Sharia while in office because Sharia and the Constitution does not make a good mix. One is the law of a religion, while the other is the law of the land.


No, it isn't. And how do you feel about these theocrats who say that Biblical law trumps the Constitution? Because at least Cruz and Huckabee, if not Carson, have claimed that while speaking in support of Kim Davis.

And of you really do your homework, you'll see that there aren't a whole lot of differences between Sharia and Leverite (aka Biblical law as set forth in Leviticus) Law.

You probably weren't alive in 1960. I was. People were making the same argument against Kennedy, as a Catholic, because they claimed he'd be bound by Canon Law and swayed by the Pope, if he was elected.



I think it's part of the 1st amendment that we can have an opinion. Kim Davis is just one of those people who defend our freedom of religion and that's all. Christians are continually criticized and shamed in public for having our opinions, and then when we try to defend ourselves like Kim Davis did, Leftists won't even begin to shut up, but we're allowed to tolerate their bull? Yeah, I'm not for double standards, I think everyone has the right to defend their beliefs without persecution or at least without legal consequence.

Sharia and Biblical Christian Law were the same, but we're past that(FOR THE MOST PART), Muslims are not.

Ben Carson had the right idea, bad way to express it as sensitive liberals tend to get offended at every little thing.


Woah there Kim Davis broke the law to refuse a government service to people based on her religious beliefs and refuses to resign even though she feels here religious beliefs conflict with the law. It doesn't mean she gets to violate the law because her religion says so. Freedom of religion does not extend to using religion to influence government policy in favor of one religion over others, or to violate rights. Kim Davis as a government employee does not have a right to refuse the service to people that she is responsible for granting. Also freedom of religion doesn't mean people cannot criticize your religion or say negative things about it.

And what you think if someone commits a crime or a government employee uses religion to try and deny rights to citizens they shouldn't face legal consequences? Sorry religion does not excuse those things.

And I like how you rag on the 'liberals' which like a lot of people by liberals you probably just mean people you disagree with for being too 'sensative'....and then you have christians throwing a big fit whenever their religion is criticized, or claiming by allowing same sex couples to have legally recognized marriage/unions somehow violates their right to practice christianity and participate in a traditional marriage which is a load of bull. But its the liberals who are too sensitive and prone to offense....lol.



Freedom of religion overrides an illegal court order. The court is not allowed to pass laws, it's allowed to see if they correspond with the Constitution then make a decision whether or not they are legal or illegal, and gay marriage is something that concerns society and "order" which is under the 10th amendment which would make it up to the states to decide. She broke the law to defend her beliefs, and she shouldn't face legal consequence if that was her intent because it's an infringing on an individuals right to their beliefs AND freedom of religion. Doing what the government wanted would have been equal to pissing on the Bible. The government cannot coerce an individual into doing something that offends their belief.


She is free to resign from her position and take a job where she is not responsible for granting marriage licenses to gay couples...she does not have the right to stand in the way of peoples legal right to have a legally recognized marriage...whether or not its valid in her or her gods eyes.

And technically speaking pissing on the bible is totally legal....due to freedom of expression.


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01 Oct 2015, 9:50 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Chakravartin wrote:
Aniihya wrote:
Freedom of religion means you have the right to practice your belief. The problem with people crying freedom of religion while denying gay marriage is that they infringe other peoples rights while trying to look like the victim. Fundamentalist Christians are tyrants who do not get the separation of church and state and believe that freedom of religion allows them to use the law against people who are unfavorable in their worldview.

Do not like gay marriage? Do not get married to the same sex.
You have the right to belief that homosexuality is wrong, however you do not have the right to use that belief as a reason to deny others of their rights. Christian belief was used as a reason to deny interracial marriage. That doesn't sound like freedom to me, that sounds more like religious tyranny.


Clearly you're an intolerant atheist, so I will give you a reason why, homosexuality is a sin, and allowing two homosexuals engage in something as sacred in our religion such as marriage is equatable to pissing on the Bible.

But I wouldn't expect a christianphobic to know that.


How are they an 'intolerant' athiest for saying religion should not be used to deny people their rights granted by the constitution...I don't see any personal attacks or calls to single out and persecute christians I see someone saying practice your beliefs as much as you want but don't try and force them on other people who don't believe the same way.

Also yes in your particular form of christianity homosexuality is a sin....so don't practice homosexuality. But yeah we have this thing called freedom of religion here 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof' legally speaking the constitution holds more ground than the bible in this country. Thus your religion doesn't have the monopoly on marriage, jews, muslims, athiests, pagans, satanists, agnostics, buddists and all sorts of people have unchristian marriages the law needs to respect that.

Someone is not a christianaphobic for wanting you to keep your religion out of their personal life.... :roll:


Someone isn't homophobic for wanting to keep it out of their free will. The government can't coerce you into something that involves conscientious decisions. Now, you can give that decision to someone else instead of someone's answer of "resigning your position."


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01 Oct 2015, 9:56 pm

Chakravartin wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Chakravartin wrote:
Aniihya wrote:
Freedom of religion means you have the right to practice your belief. The problem with people crying freedom of religion while denying gay marriage is that they infringe other peoples rights while trying to look like the victim. Fundamentalist Christians are tyrants who do not get the separation of church and state and believe that freedom of religion allows them to use the law against people who are unfavorable in their worldview.

Do not like gay marriage? Do not get married to the same sex.
You have the right to belief that homosexuality is wrong, however you do not have the right to use that belief as a reason to deny others of their rights. Christian belief was used as a reason to deny interracial marriage. That doesn't sound like freedom to me, that sounds more like religious tyranny.


Clearly you're an intolerant atheist, so I will give you a reason why, homosexuality is a sin, and allowing two homosexuals engage in something as sacred in our religion such as marriage is equatable to pissing on the Bible.

But I wouldn't expect a christianphobic to know that.


How are they an 'intolerant' athiest for saying religion should not be used to deny people their rights granted by the constitution...I don't see any personal attacks or calls to single out and persecute christians I see someone saying practice your beliefs as much as you want but don't try and force them on other people who don't believe the same way.

Also yes in your particular form of christianity homosexuality is a sin....so don't practice homosexuality. But yeah we have this thing called freedom of religion here 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof' legally speaking the constitution holds more ground than the bible in this country. Thus your religion doesn't have the monopoly on marriage, jews, muslims, athiests, pagans, satanists, agnostics, buddists and all sorts of people have unchristian marriages the law needs to respect that.

Someone is not a christianaphobic for wanting you to keep your religion out of their personal life.... :roll:


Someone isn't homophobic for wanting to keep it out of their free will. The government can't coerce you into something that involves conscientious decisions. Now, you can give that decision to someone else instead of someone's answer of "resigning your position."


What do other people having gay marrighes have to do with your free will?....You're perfectly free to have a traditional christian marrige, think and say gay marriage is wrong and never do anything to support them. What because gays can marry now you have to marry someone of the same sex? :| ....how about mind your own business?

Also the government didn't coerce her...gay marriage was legalized, she decided her personal religious beliefs were grounds to deny these couples their new right. Resignation was an option....denying people their rights based on her religion is illegal....lots of people have to change jobs or positions when they have conflicts with the job why should she be special just because she's a christian?


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01 Oct 2015, 10:01 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Chakravartin wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Chakravartin wrote:
Aniihya wrote:
Freedom of religion means you have the right to practice your belief. The problem with people crying freedom of religion while denying gay marriage is that they infringe other peoples rights while trying to look like the victim. Fundamentalist Christians are tyrants who do not get the separation of church and state and believe that freedom of religion allows them to use the law against people who are unfavorable in their worldview.

Do not like gay marriage? Do not get married to the same sex.
You have the right to belief that homosexuality is wrong, however you do not have the right to use that belief as a reason to deny others of their rights. Christian belief was used as a reason to deny interracial marriage. That doesn't sound like freedom to me, that sounds more like religious tyranny.


Clearly you're an intolerant atheist, so I will give you a reason why, homosexuality is a sin, and allowing two homosexuals engage in something as sacred in our religion such as marriage is equatable to pissing on the Bible.

But I wouldn't expect a christianphobic to know that.


How are they an 'intolerant' athiest for saying religion should not be used to deny people their rights granted by the constitution...I don't see any personal attacks or calls to single out and persecute christians I see someone saying practice your beliefs as much as you want but don't try and force them on other people who don't believe the same way.

Also yes in your particular form of christianity homosexuality is a sin....so don't practice homosexuality. But yeah we have this thing called freedom of religion here 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof' legally speaking the constitution holds more ground than the bible in this country. Thus your religion doesn't have the monopoly on marriage, jews, muslims, athiests, pagans, satanists, agnostics, buddists and all sorts of people have unchristian marriages the law needs to respect that.

Someone is not a christianaphobic for wanting you to keep your religion out of their personal life.... :roll:


Someone isn't homophobic for wanting to keep it out of their free will. The government can't coerce you into something that involves conscientious decisions. Now, you can give that decision to someone else instead of someone's answer of "resigning your position."


What do other people having gay marrighes have to do with your free will?....You're perfectly free to have a traditional christian marrige, think and say gay marriage is wrong and never do anything to support them. What because gays can marry now you have to marry someone of the same sex? :| ....how about mind your own business?

Also the government didn't coerce her...gay marriage was legalized, she decided her personal religious beliefs were grounds to grant these couples their new right. Resignation was an option....denying people their rights based on her religion is illegal....lots of people have to change jobs or positions when they have conflicts with the job why should she be special just because she's a christian?


Why should the homosexual couple be special enough to be the reason she was sent to hell? It's an illegal court order, she has perfectly legitimate cause to do it, and no one is telling you can't hire a proxy for her to make a decision in her place.


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01 Oct 2015, 10:06 pm

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Why should the homosexual couple be special enough to be the reason she was sent to hell? It's an illegal court order, she has perfectly legitimate cause to do it, and no one is telling you can't hire a proxy for her to make a decision in her place.


Uhh how are they going to send her to hell?...she is not having a same sex marriage, though plenty of divorces I hear.

If she is worried about going to hell over signing a legal document as I said she could find a position or other job that does not require her to do so. Jobs have have qualifications one of the ones for that job is granting marriage licenses to all people legally entitled to marriage....hell or maybe they could have compromised and had someone else sign those ones aside from her if she's that stuck on that what seems to be very mudane job.

Its not an illegal court order to demand a person responsible for signing marriage licenses do their job or find a new position.

And I thought Jesus forgave everyone for their sins....so what she'll go to hell over one sin?


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Chakravartin wrote:
Aniihya wrote:
Freedom of religion means you have the right to practice your belief. The problem with people crying freedom of religion while denying gay marriage is that they infringe other peoples rights while trying to look like the victim. Fundamentalist Christians are tyrants who do not get the separation of church and state and believe that freedom of religion allows them to use the law against people who are unfavorable in their worldview.

Do not like gay marriage? Do not get married to the same sex.
You have the right to belief that homosexuality is wrong, however you do not have the right to use that belief as a reason to deny others of their rights. Christian belief was used as a reason to deny interracial marriage. That doesn't sound like freedom to me, that sounds more like religious tyranny.


Clearly you're an intolerant atheist, so I will give you a reason why, homosexuality is a sin, and allowing two homosexuals engage in something as sacred in our religion such as marriage is equatable to pissing on the Bible.

But I wouldn't expect a christianphobic to know that.


First off, I am not an atheist. Second off, just because it is your religion doesn't mean it applies to others who aren't of you religion. Seperation of church and state means that your religion cannot dictate people of other religions. If you don't want gay marriage, do not have one. Other people are free to marry the same sex no matter what your religion says about it. And you act as if you are offended when you are actually just a spoiled brat. There is nothing Christianophobic about wanting Christians to not dictate your life. Plus you might not even know the bible so well. The Bible only states that sexual intercourse with another man is sinful. There is no mention of marriage, romantic relationships or lesbianism. Now let's say that two people of the same sex who are homoromantic asexuals want to marry. They aren't going against the bible because they do not intend to have any sexual intercourse at all.

Now I can expect bigotry coming from you.



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02 Oct 2015, 11:30 am

Aniihya wrote:
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Aniihya wrote:
Freedom of religion means you have the right to practice your belief. The problem with people crying freedom of religion while denying gay marriage is that they infringe other peoples rights while trying to look like the victim. Fundamentalist Christians are tyrants who do not get the separation of church and state and believe that freedom of religion allows them to use the law against people who are unfavorable in their worldview.

Do not like gay marriage? Do not get married to the same sex.
You have the right to belief that homosexuality is wrong, however you do not have the right to use that belief as a reason to deny others of their rights. Christian belief was used as a reason to deny interracial marriage. That doesn't sound like freedom to me, that sounds more like religious tyranny.


Clearly you're an intolerant atheist, so I will give you a reason why, homosexuality is a sin, and allowing two homosexuals engage in something as sacred in our religion such as marriage is equatable to pissing on the Bible.

But I wouldn't expect a christianphobic to know that.


First off, I am not an atheist. Second off, just because it is your religion doesn't mean it applies to others who aren't of you religion. Seperation of church and state means that your religion cannot dictate people of other religions. If you don't want gay marriage, do not have one. Other people are free to marry the same sex no matter what your religion says about it. And you act as if you are offended when you are actually just a spoiled brat. There is nothing Christianophobic about wanting Christians to not dictate your life. Plus you might not even know the bible so well. The Bible only states that sexual intercourse with another man is sinful. There is no mention of marriage, romantic relationships or lesbianism. Now let's say that two people of the same sex who are homoromantic asexuals want to marry. They aren't going against the bible because they do not intend to have any sexual intercourse at all.

Now I can expect bigotry coming from you.

Actually, the Separation of Church and State clause refers to the State interfering with freedom of religion. This was a egregious problem during the colonial era.
The Supreme Court decision will inevitably lead to some gay couple demanding to be wedded in a church that performs marriages, as this is the kind of thing that Social Activists thrive on ( not to mention the cash they would hope to get in a lawsuit).
My church has made the decision that we will no longer perform marriages, so it can be strongly argued that our rights are being violated, because otherwise we would find ourselves in the aforementioned situation.
The fact that the Bible doesn't mention homosexual marriages doesn't mean that they are sanctioned. It is obvious that they are not consistant with the Christian faith. Your point on this is not Scriptural.


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02 Oct 2015, 3:00 pm

If you call medieval Catholics pulling rules out of their ass that aren't out of the Bible. A lot of the Christian faith isn't even based on way it says in the Bible.



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02 Oct 2015, 3:29 pm

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If you call medieval Catholics pulling rules out of their ass that aren't out of the Bible. A lot of the Christian faith isn't even based on way it says in the Bible.



Yet you didn't say what, which also means you once again are pulling things out of your own ass.


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02 Oct 2015, 3:33 pm

No, look at all the edicts the Catholics made in history. Then you will understand. However I doubt it with your bad reading comprehension since you cannot even read the sentences that I write without misinterpreting them.



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02 Oct 2015, 3:44 pm

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No, look at all the edicts the Catholics made in history. Then you will understand. However I doubt it with your bad reading comprehension since you cannot even read the sentences that I write without misinterpreting them.



See, is that the stereotype you're going to come up with? That all Christians are Catholic? Lmao, there goes your piss poor logic again. Lmfao.


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02 Oct 2015, 3:49 pm

Chakravartin has been banned for a month to cool down a bit.



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Chakravartin has been banned for a month to cool down a bit.


You'd be fired as a mod any day in my book, first, let's review your reasons for warnings: insults, multiple others used them, yet you chose me, because you disagree with me, leading to the 2nd reason, you're biased and quite frankly outright showing your bigotry, and then your irrational behavior like, how does a warning jump to a month? Lmfao, you are the one that needs to cool down and ask for a sick day.



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i thought you wanted to leave the site and get banned, well now your wish will be granted for the third time.