What if Adam never ate the apple of Eden?

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*The following post is purely a work of fiction and is not intended to offend/degrade/propagandize against any race or religion*

What if Adam never ate the apple of Eden in which Eve was tempted by the serpent to do so?

In this alternate time line of the creation story from the bible, what do you think would have happened had Adam wizened up when he was tempted by Eve? How would humanity's history play out?

In my honest opinion I think what would happen is that Adam would be left behind on Eden and Eve would be the only one to be exiled and, because of his relationship with Eve, Adam would go outside of Eden to occasionally visit Eve. This would eventually result in the two children that they've had (Cain and Abel). Cain would turn out to be the typical humans we usually are and Abel will become the first of God's Superior species called the Homo-Elohim. Of course as time would go by the Homo-Sapiens and Homo-Elohim would grow farther apart from each other due to their social, cultural and genetic differences.

But enough of my views, What do you think the human (and "Elohuman") history would turn out?

The situation would have been aborted.

Meaning with both Adam and Eve ate the apple - subconscious caught the stream of sensation, consciousness of duality by way of empirical apparatus, attempted to share this with conscious agency as such it would be experienced as we are today; conscious beings moving around with five senses and not having a sense of where they came from, who they are, why they are, aside from family names and the environments that raise them.

If Adam had never eaten of the apple? Subconsciousness would have received the message duality, consciousness would have put the breaks on it, and we'd have a situation of experience that's very difficult for us - not having been there - to wrap our minds around; ie. fallen subconscious (ie. fallen into 'matter') but consciousness unfallen. My only guess is that it might have been rectified a lot quicker because rather than the blind leading the blind the self with primary awareness would have cleaned this up like a spill on a kitchen floor rather than taking the spill as a state of reality and wandering on for millenia trying to understand itself in reference to that spill.

Would it have been a good or bad thing? I don't know. Incarnation of a human race would have been aborted. Suffering prevented? Hopefully. Development and refinement of consciousness passed on? True as well unless the same thing just happened in a different way.

What if Adam and Eve both retro-actively receive and accept the offer of salvation from Jesus' sacrifice?

Eve would have been booted out of the Garden of Eden, and Adam would not have.

There could be no visitations between the Garden, and outside the garden (conjugal,or otherwise). Adam remaining in the garden would be immortal, but eve would be both mortal and have no mate so would die without kids. End of story. No human race, no OT, no NT. Nada.

Or God could just create another, more obedient Eve so that Adam can mate.

You would think. But then the two of them would have lived in eternal bliss in the Garden. Not much of story there either.

God apparantly wanted the human race to screw up.

So he would have tried some way to get them both to disobey him in unison so he could banish them from the garden. Maybe he would have created a more persuasive (ie more seductive) Eve to lure Adam into breaking the rules about fruit picking.

1 Timothy 2:14 says that Eve was deceived when she ate the fruit of the tree, but Adam was not deceived.
Romans 5:12 to 21 says death and sin entered the world due to the transgression of Adam, not Eve.

Based on the above, my view is that if Adam had resisted eating, God would have forgiven Eve and erased the knowledge of bad that would have now entered her mind having ate from the tree of knowledge of good and bad.
Adam and Eve therefore would have lived for ever, and so would their children providing they also resisted eating from the tree.

I think a more interesting scenario would have been, what would happen if Adam and Eve hadn't eaten, half of their children hadn't eaten either, but some of their children did eat? Or what would have happened if Adam and Eve had children before they ate, but the children refused to follow their parents into sin?
Would we now live in a world divided in two, a huge Eden with gates guarded by Cherubs with flaming swords where the obedient part of mankind would live forever, but they cannot be exposed to us sinners, for then they would learn sin from us without having to eat from the tree. We would be kept outside Eden. Would we be taking holidays to the Middle East to look at the Cherubs and try to peek past them to see Paradise?
Would the Americans try to bomb them so they can control Paradise as well?
Or would God have two Earths, one for the sinners, and one for those that didn't disobey?

Like Natural Plastic says, it does seem convenient the way Adam and Eve sinned before they had any children, it would have been very complicated to have sinners and faithful living on the same planet, so God must have known what was going to happen and so allowed it.

Maybe a bet was made between God and the Devil before man was even made, we are just the objects that will prove who was right, God or the Devil.

By the way original poster, Adam and Eve didn't only have two sons otherwise how would humanity have increased unless the sons also mated with Eve?
Genesis 5 v 4 says after Seth, Adam had sons and daughters.

But it's not just coincidence that Adam and Eve didnt start "begetting" until after the Fall.

If Adam and Eve had not eaten then they never would have had any children. They may not even have been able to have sex. They were blind and couldnt see their own nakedness after all.

In addition to death, and disease, etc being introduced into the world by the couple partaking of the fruit, the act also forced women to have to endure the pain of child birth. So no fruit means no child birth which means no children which mean Adam and Eve never having descendants.

Which makes sense. If the couple were immortal they would not have needed to have kids/descendants anyway.

So there is no way that the scenario of: "some of their children eating the fruit, but that they, and other of their offspring not eating it" could have happened.

Actually it's funny that you mention a "second Eve", and the issue of being "obedient".

Some say that THAT Eve WAS the second "model". God's second try at making a companion for Adam. And that God had already made another lady before Eve.

This earlier lady didnt go for this patriarchal "obeying Adam" jive, so she sprouted wings and just flew out of the Garden of Eden. That lady was "Lilith". So thats when God slipped Adam a mickey and surgically removed Adam's rib to fashion Eve: a lady who was obedient to Adam, but was...alas... not immune to being led astray from God by that serpent. The first girl wasnt obedient at all, but the second girl was obedient to Adam but had trouble with obeying the higher up guy in the chain of command- God. Even God has trouble getting things right I guess.

After fleeing the Garden Lilith became an evil succubus, and is still out there doing evil at night.

Lilith is not mentioned in Genesis in your King James (ie the Torah). She is talked about in Jewish folklore, and in the Medeaval Babylonian Talmud. Part of why the character of Lilith appears was to reconcile the two creation stories in Genesis: in the first both Adam and Eve are fashioned at the same time out of mud, and in the second Eve is fashioned out of Adam's rib.A seeming contradiction. So ancient Rabbis figured that the Torah must be talking about two different "Eves" being created at two different times. That's one way to resolve it.

But, why would God try so hard to purposely trick them into betrayal? Is it because he has some big plan (or agenda) for the future ahead?

God only knows.

Actually that video sums up this argument quite well !

But judging how the video ended what would've happened if eve didn't eat the apple of eden? would there be a reverse sexism against men?

How do we know that it was an apple?

It was NOT an apple.

The OT refers to it as "the fruit of the tree of knowledge", but never as an "apple".

They didn't have apples in the ancient middle east/Mesopotamia region where Eden would have been located.

Apples were discovered later, and spread from central Asia to China, Europe, and North America, becoming the iconic fruit of the Temperate Zone, but still don't do will in the Middle East.

So the fruit was probably.... a pomegranate maybe?

But yes- IF Adam and Eve DID start being fruitful and multiplying before the fall, and none of their offspring ate the fruit either than-yes there would have been over population pretty fast as portrayed in the Video. That's a problem because the story implies no child birth before the fall (to my understanding).

Last edited by naturalplastic on 08 Nov 2015, 9:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.

I've never tried figs, dates, or pomegranates.
Does OT stand for Official Text?
Isn't the Bible supposed to be interpreted metaphorically instead of scientifically or literally anyway?