Is it moral for God to punish us?

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Is it moral for God to punish us?

Is it moral for an all-knowing and all-powerful God to set in motion a history that he designs and then condemns others for?

We live in a history that God has set up and is fully responsible for. God, punishing man, who can do nothing but follow God’s plan and the nature God has put in us, is having innocent people suffer for the wrongs God himself has pre-destined and which cannot be altered.

For example.
God chose to have Jesus sacrificed. God, in his planning book would also have decided who would kill Jesus. There would be no way for that man to not kill Jesus or God’s plan would fall off the rails and in this case, we would not have a messiah or scapegoat to ride into heaven.

Some will say we have free will but as shown in the example above, Jesus’ killer could not refrain from killing Jesus without derailing God’s plan. Further, to pre-destine any one action or condition within a history changes all other conditions and pre-destines all conditions within the plan. Think the butterfly effect.

Having said the above and having shown that we have no free will if anything is pre-destined, I think it would be quite immoral for God to judge or punish us for being and doing exactly what he pre-ordained for us in his plan. We have no choice and to punish us is immoral.

Do you agree?

If not, why not?

Regards
DL

If the Christian version of god exists then we are his playthings, put here on this planet to massage his cosmic ego.

I think it's kind of hypocritical for this type of being to be one from which morals emanate, as theists say.

The word Moral in that context would suppose it is, from the POV of the theology at least.

A better question would be is it Ethical and the answer is clearly NO.

Abrahamism mixes determinism and free-will arguments if an when it suits. The doctrine is littered with these contradictions.

More or less the dilemma that drove me from Christianity. I will say I do still believe the Bible, I just believe, as I believe with about 99% of the world's population, will suffer a sadistic God's wrath for his own pleasure. We're almost all going to Hell because God wants it that way. It's the only logical conclusion. Within the parameters of the Bible that is (which if you think it totally illogical, pointless to comment. Blah blah man in the sky I get it)

What primarily leads me to this is, in the Bible, when this concept is mentioned (In Romans I believe, it's been a little while since I opened that book to recall the exact chapter/verses) we are basically told, in short, tough s**t, it's God- deal with it.

We are designed to explicitly disobey God. We are programmed utterly incapable of obeying God. The Bible tells us so. As a matter of fact, even if it were possible to be perfect we are still stained as a result of Original Sin, totally fair I may add. Then we are taught a prerequisite of salvation, (without getting into a Calvinism vs Arminianism argument) is to love God. Who then can love such a God who would create a seemingly endless pipeline of souls directly funneled into the pits of Hell? Then we are told that Christ's sacrifice was a demonstration of God's all powerful love. His only son given to save us because it was the only way to give us a chance. I say that demonstrates the utmost of cruelty. I mean, an omnipotent God could not have designed a way to save his supposedly most believed creation without torturing his only son to death? Which leaves only two conclusions. God is not in fact omnipotent. There are limitations to what he can do based on "spiritual physics" if you will. This would be inconsistent with all the basic concepts we're taught about God's nature. Secondly, God is cruel and isn't loving at all. At least by our definition. However since we are evidently so backwards in our thinking, it's possible that real love is actually suffering. And what we think of love is in fact evil and we've just flipped the whole thin around based on our emotions that were a cancerous program to begin with.

Frustrating existence.

The bible is a handful of gems of ancient wisdom buried in an entire truckload of mud and straw.

Best to just pull those gems out, wipe them down, and not pay much attention to the people who demand that you believe it all front to back, letter per letter. There's always a chance that one will find more gems hidden in it but it's best to just use the ones you do find to the best of your ability before you try dumpster-diving for more.

No, it is not if God is real he is not a good person, hes insecure and violent and has an ego problem and is also an attention whore. His way in working in mysterious ways is just not caring or just being cruel.