I hate feminazis

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I'm not so sure Cathy Brennan qualifies, she has a certain...reputation, for being in cahoots with exceedingly misogynistic conservative Christian organizations when it suits her ego. Not even her once staunch 1970's Second Wave worldview can compensate for that. She could easily be replaced by Anita Sarkeesian in your example, though.

For a bit of context to this conversation, "Feminazi" was a term largely invented or promoted by Lush Rimbomb - oh, sorry: Rush Limbaugh - to describe any woman who dared to complain about inequality or who was not willing to be a good, submissive wife & baby factory or (gasp!) simply expressed the view that everyone should be assumed equal. In his viewpoint, any such woman was automatically a radical feminist equal to the German Nazi regime for trying to impose on his sense of superiority and his very real privilege.

I don't think they are imaginary, I've seen them and heard from them...not sure about this forum in particular but this doesn't represent the whole internet let alone real life. Either way even if feminazis do not represent most feminists they still seem to be the loudest feminists and so perhaps they give it a bad name. Then again I don't usually see anything about other feminists calling out the extreme ones and criticizing their more extreme views...if anything it seems like they support those people and just play it down to 'oh they're just angry and passionate' well that is not an excuse for some things I have read from more radical feminists.

Also what is wrong with using terms like he/she? seems there I also effort to get rid of any gender specific nouns. Then one time I was reading up on something about how they wanted to change words like History because it has 'his' in it so aside from the more radical feminists it seems some are really into nit-picking language and finding sexism all of it....pretty sure people aren't trying to invalidate women by calling history, history or describing an animal of an unidentified gender as 'he' by default for instance. Come to think of it this topic was explored at school a few times to and these things were discussed.

Also it can be a bit annoying when people say feminism is about equality for all, well no it was about women's rights anymore it makes sense it addresses women's rights and equality, that is the focus it doesn't cover equality for all. I mean if that were the case feminists would also be fighting laws and mentalities that are unfair to males and any other groups.

I mean aside from the difference in pay, which I am still not sure what all explains it not so sure its as simple as employers intentionally writing women a lesser pay-check for the same job or if it averages out that way due to a bunch of various factors. But aside from equal pay not really sure what most feminists are fighting for I suppose. Also I find it odd they aren't speaking out against only males having to sign up for selective service if its expanded past fighting for women's rights and is about equality across the board.

All that said they must be doing something wrong, for even other females to take issue with the modern feminist movement.

Well crap, going to have to come up with a new term....

I guess radical feminists or extreme feminism will have to suffice if the term feminazi instantly makes people minds go to the idiot Rush Limbaugh. Then again did he actually coin the term or just misuse it to describe any woman who is not submissive?

Second wave feminism, or "womens lib", which took off in the 60s and 70s spawned the radical feminist movement.

What you're referring to is a bogeyman (or bogeywoman, if we want to get cute). People who think that way are such a tiny part of "feminism" that they aren't really even worth speaking about. If you got a thousand feminists into a room, you'd be lucky to find one person who "advocate[s] achieving equality through deliberate inequality and enforced regime."

Um, yes she qualifies. She is ruthelessly intolerant of transsexuals and promotes conspiracy theories that trans women are men trying to infiltrate and destroy the feminist movement. Haven't you heard about the controversy regarding the Womyn's music festival where trans-women are excluded? Some attendees even complained about "crotch checks" where they were asked to show their genitals to the security officers in order to make sure they weren't trans-women.

Second wave feminism, or "womens lib", which took off in the 60s and 70s spawned the radical feminist movement. And that is what Rush was talking about when he coined the term "feminazi". The academic left exploits the first amendment to concoct some very extreme ideas which are based on a worldview that is out of touch with reality. But one of the strains of feminism that came out of "womens lib" is separatist feminism(which folks like Cathy Brennan are part of). The idea that women can only be free if they completely dissociate themselves from men and rely exclusively on each other for emotional and physical intimacy.

I apologize, I believe I fell into a bit of a No True Scotsman fallacy. I have trouble seeing CB as a feminist at all, based on the definition of striving for equality. But then I have trouble with exclusionists in general when it comes to equality struggles, for two reasons. Alone, you are equal to everyone, but it's not really valid. And, I remember when Second Wave feminists went from wanting equality to turning inward until all that was left of the movement was middle/upper middle class, white, english-speaking cis- women. And when she teamed up with the very male-superior, conservative Christian, Pacific Justice Institute to dox that girl in Colorado, a minor, I could not see her as a feminist at all.

I was going to continue, but honestly? I'm out. Not worth it.

Wrong. What you'll find there are feminists who won't sit down and shut up when someone like you tells them to, and say things that hurt your feelings. Some of them are hilariously misinformed or incompetent, but I've yet to see any that even vaguely resemble any definition given here for "feminazi".

If you have an example, go ahead and give one. Just show me some links, if you can. My guess is you link to someone on tumblr that nobody actually cares about or listens to.

You were going to continue with propaganda but you know realize you were about to commit yet another *no true scotsman* fallacy!

We get it: Political correctness is all about proper usage of language and not offending any "group". It isn't really that concerned with completely eradicating oppression and injustice across the board because PC people are using left-wing ideology as a social climbing strategy. Journalist Tom Wolfe noticed this back in the early 70s as he described in his book Radical Chic, But I digress.....

Not all of them a bad. I think people like Camille Paglia and Tammy Bruce are very sober minded feminists.

I was going to continue, but honestly? I'm out. Not worth it.

I was going to continue, but honestly? I'm out. Not worth it.

I'm right with you. As soon as the reworked term "PC" is dragged out and used in an ironic manner and "feminism" is redefined away from any semblance of equality (i.e. men are oppressed by feminists), the discussion just isn't worth the effort. Too much rhetoric, not enough intelligent conversation.