We shouldn't associate autism and libertarianism.

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01 Aug 2015, 3:21 pm

Another Thing I Hate Hearing: I hate it when people associate autism with libertarianism. This is usually done to insult both autistics and libertarians but some autistics actually spout this nonsense.

Apparently autistics are "individualistic by nature". That isn't entirely true. I've been around several autistic people in my life. Most autistic people I know are very close to their family and a few close friends ... so the individualism of autistics doesn't go all the way.

I've noticed that some autistic libertarians constantly brag about how uncompassionate they are and act like pseudo-philosophical Nietzschian ubermensch all the time. I'm not saying that all libertarians are like this. Some libertarians are quite social. Overall, I don't really see why libertarianism is good for autistics at all.

Let's not make this overly complicated. The only social movement that can totally free us is the Autism Rights Movement.


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01 Aug 2015, 3:41 pm

Why would you brag about how uncompassionate you are? This is a stereotype of both groups.

However I don't think many are making this association.



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01 Aug 2015, 3:47 pm

I am not a remorseless, uncompassionate and unfeeling human by choice; it's intrinsic and therefore will never change no matter how hard I try.


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01 Aug 2015, 4:28 pm

I think more often than not, Libertarians - Aspies or NT's - rarely know what it's like to need help. That's why most of us with Asperger's aren't Libertarians, despite the popular notion.


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01 Aug 2015, 4:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I think more often than not, Libertarians - Aspies or NT's - rarely know what it's like to need help. That's why most of us with Asperger's aren't Libertarians, despite the popular notion.

I think the problem is you have alternate terms and associations with different political movements. For instance the word Liberal meaning social democrat/socialist.

I think people in US are calling themselves Libertarians becuase they are not socially conservative, but are basically conservative otherwise, even though Libertarian has nothing to do with Conservatism. Or perhaps selfish people are calling themselves Libertarians.

Really it has little to do with that.



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01 Aug 2015, 5:03 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
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I think more often than not, Libertarians - Aspies or NT's - rarely know what it's like to need help. That's why most of us with Asperger's aren't Libertarians, despite the popular notion.

I think the problem is you have alternate terms and associations with different political movements. For instance the word Liberal meaning social democrat/socialist.

I think people in US are calling themselves Libertarians becuase they are not socially conservative, but are basically conservative otherwise, even though Libertarian has nothing to do with Conservatism. Or perhaps selfish people are calling themselves Libertarians.

Really it has little to do with that.


But wouldn't that mean that the definition of the word is changing with how the word "libertarian" is used? For instance those who labeled themselves as liberals back in the 19th century would be called pro-business conservatives today.


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01 Aug 2015, 6:21 pm

I know what it's like to need help; I don't know what it's like to deserve it.

By the way, if you consider it's a virtue to be uncompassionate, and your atypical neurology helps you practice it to a greater extent than most people can, why not brag about it?


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01 Aug 2015, 6:30 pm

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I know what it's like to need help; I don't know what it's like to deserve it.

By the way, if you consider it's a virtue to be uncompassionate, and your atypical neurology helps you practice it to a greater extent than most people can, why not brag about it?


What does deserving help have to do with helping people in need? You give people in need help simply because that's the right thing to do, not because they've done something special.
And lack of compassion is definitely not a virtue. We Aspies can and do feel compassion. We just have problems in showing it, or recognizing when another is in need of it. Being devoid of compassion isn't about having Asperger's, it's being a psychopath.


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01 Aug 2015, 11:12 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Overall, I don't really see why libertarianism is good for autistics at all.


I don't either. Corporate culture is one of the biggest things holding a lot of us back.



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01 Aug 2015, 11:26 pm

Maybe it's just me, but in my 27 years I've never heard any associations between autism and any form of political or religious belief or orientation.

I'm just seeing a lot of "we shouldn't associate autism and _____" posts and threads around here and it's confusing the heck out of me.



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01 Aug 2015, 11:51 pm

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We Shouldn't Associate Autism And Libertarianism.

Broad brush approaches rarely work. Political affiliation depends on the individual and no two autistics are the same.


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02 Aug 2015, 12:01 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Another Thing I Hate Hearing: I hate it when people associate autism with libertarianism. This is usually done to insult both autistics and libertarians but some autistics actually spout this nonsense.


In other words people with a different political opinion then you are spouting nonsense?

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Apparently autistics are "individualistic by nature". That isn't entirely true. I've been around several autistic people in my life. Most autistic people I know are very close to their family and a few close friends ... so the individualism of autistics doesn't go all the way.


I think this is an interpretation of our greater difficulties with social settings. With the possible result being doing more thing alone and lower conformity with group-thinking. Alto I personally doubt the later one.

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Why would you brag about how uncompassionate you are? This is a stereotype of both groups.


I think they are stating that they are less likely to be emotionally manipulated.

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I think the problem is you have alternate terms and associations with different political movements. For instance the word Liberal meaning social democrat/socialist.


I think the problem is more that the word liberal means something different in the USA then it does in Europe. Alto there is some overlap in the non-economic sphere.

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I think people in US are calling themselves Libertarians because they are not socially conservative, but are basically conservative otherwise, even though Libertarian has nothing to do with Conservatism. Or perhaps selfish people are calling themselves Libertarians.


Only conservative otherwise in the American context. Alto calling free-market (liberal economics) worship conservative is slowly becoming more common in European politics.



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02 Aug 2015, 6:20 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
But wouldn't that mean that the definition of the word is changing with how the word "libertarian" is used? For instance those who labeled themselves as liberals back in the 19th century would be called pro-business conservatives today.


I'm a trade Liberal in no way am I Conservative.

Conservative fiscally is different from liberal economics.
Conservative socially is different from liberal social values.

If there is anything more different? I don't think so.

What changed is liberal parties merged with social democrat parties, but that doesn't make these concepts the same.



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02 Aug 2015, 6:25 am

Conservative economics, has is own form of protectionism and collusion, even may of the people who call themselves Libertarians advocate it.

It all comes under the heading of pseudo-rights and pseudo-property (not to be confused with fundamental rights and concrete property), which is basically just collusion and protectionism.



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02 Aug 2015, 10:15 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
We Shouldn't Associate Autism And Libertarianism


Nobody who's spent five minutes in PPR would do anything of the kind.


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03 Aug 2015, 1:42 am

luan78zao wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
We Shouldn't Associate Autism And Libertarianism


Nobody who's spent five minutes in PPR would do anything of the kind.

True.
Libertarian are only one notch below conservatives on the measuring stick of meanness.
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