SJW - What would be a good literal name for them?

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30 Oct 2018, 2:37 pm

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I'm quite happy to be an SJW, and greatly prefer being an SJW to the alternative.

But you agree there isn't just one alternative?
It is not "binary"...


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30 Oct 2018, 2:45 pm

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The Alt-Left.

That may well work better to get the conversation started for the uninitiated than SJW.



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30 Oct 2018, 3:02 pm

A good name has been found for at least one of them. He has been honorably dubbed "Cuck Norris." A great thing that tells you a great deal about his philosophy is that "I was trying to kick your phone" is his immediate defense as if that is acceptable either.

https://youtu.be/z7SqtIe5rZQ



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30 Oct 2018, 5:02 pm

Drake wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
The Alt-Left.

That may well work better to get the conversation started for the uninitiated than SJW.

Work on that as you hand out the brown shirts.



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31 Oct 2018, 9:53 pm

AspE wrote:
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LoveNotHate wrote:
Scum ?

S = Social
C = Cultural
U = Universal
M = Marxists

Because it's politically incorrect to use the term "international Jew" these days.


If the SJWs were Jewish they wouldn't side with the Muslims. Jews and Muslims don't exactly get along.

Come to think of it, when have the Jews ever embraced Marxism? They were against the communization of Russia. The Soviets weren't kind to them either. If they were running the show they wouldn't have been so cruel to themselves.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll make it fit. It's not like you are beholden to reason or facts or anything. The Nazis also called Jews the agents of Communism and used that meme to attack them.

History.

Don't you see I'm on you side? I was arguing against SJW being a Jewish conspiracy, not for it.


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01 Nov 2018, 5:48 am

How many of you have actually read Marx?

This thread seems like it's about being angry at people you haven't met, due to the content of news articles which label whole groups of people.


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02 Nov 2018, 7:56 am

Drake wrote:
SJW identifies the ideology as well as behaviour all in one neat package,

How about "social justice fanatics," then?

My issue is with the word "warrior," which is being used metaphorically and has a variety of different metaphorical meanings with either positive or negative connotations, depending on the context and depending on who is using the term.

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but it can be used for other groups as well if their behaviour is the same if you identify the group (eg. alt-right SJWs

That's really convoluted, IMO. Two layers of metaphor, likely to cause even more misunderstandings.

Regarding my other, older examples of identity politics, you wrote:

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The thing is, I don't think of these things as identity politics. You're not WRONG, but these are simply single groups trying to elevate themselves above others.

Or just attain equality, with tensions calming down once equality was attained, has happened for the most part with the Irish and with Catholics from Europe generally.

Anyhow, there were alliances, not just single groups. Jewish groups formed alliances both with Catholic groups and with black civil rights groups with the aim of attaining equal rights for all.

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And yes, that will probably go on until the end of time. With the SJW identity politics, they take lots and lots of groups and rank them, the "progressive stack". They want to effect change across all aspects of society.

Hmmm, not sure where you get the idea that they "rank" all these groups into a single linear "stack." The point is to try to create an alliance of people from many different, intersecting disadvantaged groups.

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Fanaticism doesn't do it for me, because SJWs are just different even if there is significant overlap. When I was dealing with SJWs before I had a name for them, after a while I was strongly reminded of Islamic fanatics. Knowing about fanatics doesn't help you deal with SJWs. You need to know about SJWs to be able to deal with them effectively, and so you need a name for them.

How does knowing about fanatics not help you deal with them? Of course, when arguing with ANY kind of fanatic, it helps to know a bit about their ideology too, in both its extreme and more moderate versions.

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It also helps the radicals gather and organise.

WHAT helps the radicals gather and organize? Not sure what you're referring to here.

Drake wrote:
I guess you'd need to elaborate on the changes you're thinking of, but if change occurs organically, that's usually fine. Legalisation of gay marriage for instance was an organic change, campaigners got the masses broadly onside and got what they wanted with the support of the people. The SJWs though are forcing it through.

An example of a kind of change that many right-wingers complain about is changes to language. This kind of thing had been done successfully before, and I think it's fine as long as it's not done in a disproportionately heavy-handed way.



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02 Nov 2018, 10:11 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
AspE wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
AspE wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Scum ?

S = Social
C = Cultural
U = Universal
M = Marxists

Because it's politically incorrect to use the term "international Jew" these days.


If the SJWs were Jewish they wouldn't side with the Muslims. Jews and Muslims don't exactly get along.

Come to think of it, when have the Jews ever embraced Marxism? They were against the communization of Russia. The Soviets weren't kind to them either. If they were running the show they wouldn't have been so cruel to themselves.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll make it fit. It's not like you are beholden to reason or facts or anything. The Nazis also called Jews the agents of Communism and used that meme to attack them.

History.

Don't you see I'm on you side? I was arguing against SJW being a Jewish conspiracy, not for it.

With friends like you, who needs enemies?



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02 Nov 2018, 11:53 am

Congratulations RetroGamer87. You just failed a far left purity test. Now just step away and come over here towards me. It's much nicer over here.

Though I can't promise you a complimentary brown shirt. Contrary to what someone else thinks, I don't hand out those. :)



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02 Nov 2018, 12:22 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOwFVowEugQ

"Call Outs"; It's 'A Thing'; you can also look it up online; it exists.
Ha! As far as Human Goes; It's always existed; for Culture is determined by
Group Think and Moral Relativism, the Group At Hand Determines, for the Group.

The Only Escape
is Leaving 'the Group';
Wasn't Really Possible until
the Last Century or so; in regard
to Starving to Death, Homeless, with no Mate and Friends;
But Now things Have Changed; Technology Provides A Helping Hand-Up;
And even if one is 'Incel', there is the Potential for Blow-Up Dolls and other 'Electronic Entertainment'.

"Call Out"; is also Another General Term for Community Rules; 'They' Exist Everywhere and Community Rules
is what Social Justice Determines; either by 'Democracy' or 'Autocratic Rule'. This is where it gets kinda 'Hairy';
Humans Determine this Best as a Team when Freedom of Expression is Allowed and Alternatives are allowed
like they are now with Technological Hand-Ups that allow one to Leave 'the Group' in Degrees of Doing that
'they' find comfortable in doing so. Meh; Some Folks are more Sensitive and Compassionate as far as General
Levels of Empathy Go in Protecting the Rights of the More Disenfranchised Folks Around us; Other Folks are
'Trumpian' and don't give a Crap about anyone else; And sure; 'Trumpian' can mean I'll Pay for an Abortion
in a Heart Beat if it Ripples my Life's waves; but on the other Hand, if it serves my Selfish Purposes; I'll tell
ya; ya are going to Hell if You Do it; And Then do it on the Sly (Do As I Say; Do Grab P; And Don't Do that).

And Some Folks will Go along with that Lie as long as their Social Justice Ideals are served; 'Right' Now.

Integrity, Honesty, And An Overall Feel and Sense of Fairness Now When Real With Veils of Ignorance
Lifted plays no 'Selfish' Part in this. But on the other Hand, when less developed 'Souls' come into the
Room; they continue in discord of oneupmanship for what's left Empty inside (Yes; Mostly Peace and
Harmony and a General Love For Life That They WILL LOVE for EVERYONE Else to Be able to attain too).

The 'Warrior' Part of Social Justice in Pejorative Terms comes from so-called 'Men' who Play Video Games
who have never been in a 'Real Fight'. And sure; they could be On ALL Selfish and Butthurt and Incel
Sides of This Issue too among a Growing Demographic of Young Males who Neither Have Jobs or
Social Status or Self Esteem (also known as "Little Man Syndrome" in the Deep South, where i Live).

I listened, Last Night, to Jordan Peterson Discussing 'His Long Term Issue' that He admitted to for this Pejorative
of "Little Man Syndrome"; Speaking to a 'Feminist'; While i was coming back from a Huge Metro Bar Dancing
With Beautiful Women; before i went back home to Live with my Beautiful Wife (Happily Ever After Now);
And it was really Sad for you could almost Hear the Tears in his Voice for how Hard it is not to be a
'Man' in A 'Man's World'. The Truth Hurts; Grow Up and be a Man and or A Woman is An Answer
for both sides. Learn to Love Life and Grow A Back Bone; Life Gets Easy and Fun after that in General.
I am Still Waiting for Jordan to Actually Do a Lobster Pose; I have that 'Covered' and will Provide Proof too;
It's one thing to talk about it and even threaten to slap someone who insults you on Twitter; hehe; but it is
an entirely
Different
thing
to actually
Grow a Pair of Lobster Claws now;
hehe; Just a Parody of it is what i do;
but true; it shocks some folk as true;
Photos
Don't Lie, too.
And it's also True
i don't need a Costume to Be Scary; It's
A WereWolf And A 'Joker' Blood in me, i guess; hAha.
And on top of that I was doing 'A Lobster Pose' Long Before Jordan even talked about it.

A Greatest Issue in the United States and 'Growing' one is where the Extended Village of Masculine
Influence, Leaves, in an age where Nuclear Families as few as two or even one Go Hundreds of Miles
for a Job; if they even can find one with much Meaning in Life; where the Stresses often Leave Folks
Fatherless; and even worse; with no Extended Village of Masculine Influence that Helps the Back Bone
Growing Process; Along With Nurturing Love. A Thing is; Now, No Matter How much 'Influence' 'you' get;
if you sit behind a Video Game, etc.; and Never Really Actually Become the Kind of Fearless Warrior who
Has Nothing to Prove When Challenged in Real Flesh and Blood life; it's Quite Simple, and even though now
some folks refer to Jordan Peterson as 'Alpha; it's obvious as 'Hell' to any 'Real Man/Woman'; He ain't made the
Grade yet; And Obviously, still; that's why so many Young Men are not intimidated by him as they Can and Do
Relate to his
still
'little
man' Status.
If 'you' have to; become Your
Own Father or look up to A Man/Woman instead of 'Mice'.
'Perfect' Example (Trump); President and so-called Leader of the Free World;
And such an F in 'Wimp'; he would Employ A Rifle in the Military against a Frigging Rock;
Guess
He Never
Learned to
Duck Like George
W did fearlessly
when that
Potential
Shoe Bomber
Threw a Shoe at Him
in a Public Meeting And He
Just Grinned With a Wicked Smile.
Jesus F iN Christ; when George W Rises
to the Creme of the Crop 'Alpha Status' for what
We Have up down/top now; ain't no wonder why there are so many lost 'boys' and or 'girls';
And Angry Old Men/Women lost from Meaning and Purpose with Nothing Much TRuly Holy and Sacred Now
Left in Life; Other Wise Known, Felt, Sensed as Interdependent Giving Loving Sharing 'Soul'; A 'Real' Man and or Woman.
Oh yeah; by A Way. i Am A Super Epic Social Justice WARRIOR; but i bet 'you'; 'you' won't call me that to my Face even
though
i would
not so
Secretly F iN LoVE IT;
This iS OvERALL Fascinating to Observe;
My Beautiful Wife has 'The Popcorn' on 'the Stove'.
Please Do Continue, the DiScourSE; i for one Love a Fair of Disagreement.
But it's like Disney World; I only Visit Now and Then And Staycation in Heaven Within;
And take
the
'Receipts;
With me for Free.
And to be totally clear there was
also a Day; Yep; many more than one that i was more "Pathetic"
as far as Humanity goes than anyone else on this Entire Website;
And any one else in the Entire Existence as Is of anyone else too; as far as
i could see then. Change for the Better Happens; but ain't no one gonna Do it but 'YOU'.

In other Words, if you/can will Stop Worrying so much about
What other folks are doing/thinking and be your own Human.
It's True; it's almost Impossible to Improve when one does 'that'.

And tHere's that/this other 'thing'; All Work and no Play
Makes 'Johnny and Jane';
Very Dull Boys And Or
Girls and Eventually
Very Angry and
Empty
Older
Men
And Or Women.

There ain't nothing about
That; that is Heaven; i for one, ain't going to 'That' Place Again.
But Sure, i'll Come Again Back Here; Just to Visit; For Fun;

'The Popcorn' aLWays Tastes Good to me at least.

Don't Just Be Part oF AN Audience;

Be A 'Leading Woman And Man';

Just Be And Do Lead You, Now.

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02 Nov 2018, 12:36 pm

Am I the only one who doesn't understand what any of that means?



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02 Nov 2018, 1:10 pm

magnetowasright wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't understand what any of that means?


"That's" Why i Provide A Photo And A Song to Go Along With Words;
Just in Case, Some Folks, in Context, Neither Have the Education
or the Life Experiences to understand the Larger Views i Have EARNED IN LIFE;
If you are referring to me; hehe..;)

If you Have Any Questions, You Are
Welcome to ask me ANYTHING;
The Women in my life, at least,
exclaim; i don't usually bite..;)

And oh yeah, And By a Way;
i'm not a Fictional "Magneto";
i'm A Real Deal; Might Be kidding and mayBe not;
For it's true; i Play More Than one Real Role in Life;
Zen Art NoW
of Ego, mY FriEnd;
A Little beyond the
Older Science of Zen.

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02 Nov 2018, 3:32 pm

So you're going to take shots at me for my handle? What does that have to do with anything? Yes, its a reference to a fictional character, so what?!

No, you're not a fictional character; you're just a ****ing troll.



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02 Nov 2018, 4:24 pm

magnetowasright wrote:
So you're going to take shots at me for my handle? What does that have to do with anything? Yes, its a reference to a fictional character, so what?!

No, you're not a fictional character; you're just a ****ing troll.


SMiLes; it's Wiser to Ask and Leave it at that before one 'Shoots'.
It's like Trump and His Rifles Against Rocks; Figure it All Out First.

What i mean by "Magneto" is, i stand up for
folks like you; and sure, me too; and others too;
Whether you can and or will understand that or not.
In other Words, it was a metaphor; you meet one person
on the Autism Spectrum; you've just met one; in other words,
too; i stand up for more than just one kind of person; in General too
as suggested Before; That's what the Fictional Magneto Character also
Did in Fiction; I Do It for real now in Real Flesh and Blood out of Comic Book
Life. Some Folks on the Autism Spectrum are Remarkably Numb to the Feelings
of Others and Environmental Stimulus as Hypo-Sensitive; Conversely, some are Hyper-Sensitive
to the Environment of Feelings and Senses; Some are Remarkably 'Black and White' Literal Thinkers;
And some are 'Profound' as 'Metaphor' Thinkers like me; And that's Just a Tip of an Iceberg that is Submerged
From the Minds of Most folks For All the Spectrum Colors of Autism; and Many other So-Called Inner/Outer Disorders in Life. In Other Words; i surely don't mind if you Do You.
Just let me Do me; and don't slight me; if you
Don't have the Education; Experience; Capacity
to
understand me;
That's not my Fault. This is a Philosophy, Politics
And Religion Forum for opinions; I'm not Speaking
to any particular Target Audience; i am Fully Expressing
Ideas. The Civil thing to do when you don't understand
something, is to ask the Person Speaking; Not Everyone
Else in the Room; That was my Point too, brought to you as tactfully as possible, by me.

And no; I haven't seen the Necessity and Never Will to use any Profanity or Call You Names.

That's an Ad Hominem Attack; and while that surely doesn't bother me, Personally. In any Debate,
it means one loses an Argument now as one does not address the Actual Discussion at Hand; And other
than that; it's against the Rules of the Forum. The Owner offered me a 'Job' of Moderator before at one
Point; but i'm not here to Enforce any Rules. I'm just here for Freedom of Expression; so just let me be.


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02 Nov 2018, 5:58 pm

Okay, I do apologize. I find it difficult to follow your style of writing posts. At least I think I understand most of what you're saying this time.