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01 Jun 2016, 11:19 am

There is no way to vet Syrian refugees and I totally oppose letting any group of refugees immigrating here in en masse, we have to recognize the mistakes Europe has made. I feel sorry for the Christians and religious minorities who face genocide in Syria and I would maybe exceptions for them but the majority Sunni Arab population poses a significant security risk as well as problems with integration. That's not racist, that's just reality. The sooner caliphate is crushed and the authority of the Syrian government is reestablished, the sooner these people can go back. We can't do this without working with the Russians and Iran, I see them as much better potential allies in this war on Islamic extremists but this current administration and Hillary are committed to a policy brinkmanship with these countries while allying ourselves with countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the Gulf countries who have funded and facilitated these terrorists.

Bill, I know you agree with on Saudi Arabia so you are half way there. The Israelis will get with the picture, they are already a pro-Russian state as a large percentage of the population are Russian Jews, Israel gets a lot flak for supposedly controlling our foreign policy but it is more the Arab nations that push us to go to war for them because Israel has its own security under control whereas these Arab countries are ruled by tyrant kings petrified of their own people and Iran most of all. The Islamic Republican of Iran is a much more modern democratic state than any of these Arab countries, they would be a much more reliable ally than the Saudis and I think we can work out an at least workable peace between them Israel. Iran's influence over Hamas has waned since the beginning of the Syrian Civil War so Israel's main concern with them is Hezbollah and their potential acquiring of nuclear weapons, the deal Obama worked out with Iran is totally worthless because it doesn't address why Iran really wants nuclear weapons which is simply self preservation considering all the rhetoric they've been faced with about a potential American invasion and that has been for more than 35 years now. These oil cartel states think they can boss us around, that's why energy independence is so important which is something Hillary totally opposes. She wants a dependent weak America that needs the globalist community, she does not want America to be great but rather subjected.



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01 Jun 2016, 5:36 pm

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There is no way to vet Syrian refugees and I totally oppose letting any group of refugees immigrating here in en masse, we have to recognize the mistakes Europe has made. I feel sorry for the Christians and religious minorities who face genocide in Syria and I would maybe exceptions for them but the majority Sunni Arab population poses a significant security risk as well as problems with integration. That's not racist, that's just reality. The sooner caliphate is crushed and the authority of the Syrian government is reestablished, the sooner these people can go back. We can't do this without working with the Russians and Iran, I see them as much better potential allies in this war on Islamic extremists but this current administration and Hillary are committed to a policy brinkmanship with these countries while allying ourselves with countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the Gulf countries who have funded and facilitated these terrorists.

Bill, I know you agree with on Saudi Arabia so you are half way there. The Israelis will get with the picture, they are already a pro-Russian state as a large percentage of the population are Russian Jews, Israel gets a lot flak for supposedly controlling our foreign policy but it is more the Arab nations that push us to go to war for them because Israel has its own security under control whereas these Arab countries are ruled by tyrant kings petrified of their own people and Iran most of all. The Islamic Republican of Iran is a much more modern democratic state than any of these Arab countries, they would be a much more reliable ally than the Saudis and I think we can work out an at least workable peace between them Israel. Iran's influence over Hamas has waned since the beginning of the Syrian Civil War so Israel's main concern with them is Hezbollah and their potential acquiring of nuclear weapons, the deal Obama worked out with Iran is totally worthless because it doesn't address why Iran really wants nuclear weapons which is simply self preservation considering all the rhetoric they've been faced with about a potential American invasion and that has been for more than 35 years now. These oil cartel states think they can boss us around, that's why energy independence is so important which is something Hillary totally opposes. She wants a dependent weak America that needs the globalist community, she does not want America to be great but rather subjected.


I seriously doubt Clinton wants a weak America; she just has a different vision than you do.
And either you want Trump to be the peace candidate and not get involved in Syria, which mean those refugees he won't let come to America will just die, or he'll continue W's military adventurism if he's serious about crushing ISIS. The thing is, in that part of the world, it seems once we get rid of one bad guy, someone a lot worse takes his place. I just don't believe Syria/Iraq will have a happy ending, even with those psychos incinerated, because new psychos will only take their place. The refugees essentially have no future back home. The west, living up to it's promise as welcoming, pluralistic societies, is their only hope.


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01 Jun 2016, 9:00 pm

Syria was a stable and diverse country that respected the rights of minorities and women before this war, Bashar al-Assad is the leader of Syria and should remain the leader until they vote for someone else. I want no miltary action against the Syrian government, we should with the Syrians/Russians/Iranians/Iraqis/Kurds to crush the caliphate. We could do it in a matter of weeks if we all put aside of differences and stopped battling each other for hegemony over the middle east. The caliphate can not be allowed to exist.



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01 Jun 2016, 10:48 pm

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Syria was a stable and diverse country that respected the rights of minorities and women before this war, Bashar al-Assad is the leader of Syria and should remain the leader until they vote for someone else. I want no miltary action against the Syrian government, we should with the Syrians/Russians/Iranians/Iraqis/Kurds to crush the caliphate. We could do it in a matter of weeks if we all put aside of differences and stopped battling each other for hegemony over the middle east. The caliphate can not be allowed to exist.


Well, we agree on that, too - the Caliphate should not be allowed to exist. But we wouldn't be in this situation with them had George W not have decided to play Alexander to his father's Philip.


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03 Jun 2016, 5:42 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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For one thing, I wish I could vote for Bernie in the general election.
For another, I'd only vote for Clinton because of the racist animus Trump's been unleashing for the sake of gaining votes. Sure, I care about the economy, but the way to take care of it isn't to divide Americans against Americans.
As Trump brags constantly about how he's going to destroy ISIS, I wouldn't hold my breath on the staying-out-of-war thing. George W got us into the Middle Eastern quicksand, and we're still trying to extradite ourselves.



I don't believe Trump is a racist, I don't think his policies are racist, you seem way more concerned with rhetoric that actions. The Clinton's signed NAFTA, they signed the crime bill, the signed DOMA, they pushed deregulation, 'birtherism' was the work of the Clinton's. Most Bernie supporters see Hillary as an unacceptable choice, the Clinton's are criminals and the epitome of Washington corruptness. Trump is the better candidate for Bernie supporters, if not him then Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, or just plain not voting. The Clinton's both belong in prison.


No, Clinton is definitely preferable to Trump, but yes, Jill Stein would be preferable to Clinton. Problem is the way to American election system works, it would still be better to vote for Clinton just to keep Trump from winning as he is seriously that bad, nobody knows who Jill Stein is so she wouldn't get enough votes to win the election. He's fascist in the sense he doesn't have any real platform, he just feeds on lies and hatred to build a cult of personality and a sense of blind nationalism with him as the head. He's not only racist, but also sexist, anti-Muslim, anti-semetic, homophobic and ableist for the sake of political agenda. Whether or not he's personally racist doesn't matter, he says things in order to appeal to a racist crowd. It's about creating a scapegoat to get angry people to rally behind him. Now he's gaining favor from other Republicans not because they actually support him, but because they care more about their party winning than what Trump actually represents. At least Mitt Romney has finally decided to have some integrity and stand against Trump.

Anyway, he's not going to put America first: as a businessman he never put his companies before him, and as an a patriot he dodged the draft. All his talk about America is just fascist talk. He doesn't actually his mind, he's just playing you to make it look like he's speaking his mind, if you pay attention he's been changing his position willy-nilly to appease the crowd. Also, as far as he speaks his mind, he says absolutely horrible things, so that's enough to know he's the type of man we DON'T want.


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