Why would a Sanders supporter vote Trump? I don't get it.

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08 Jun 2016, 3:19 pm

Hillary is terrible. She has no real principles and changes her mind with the polls.

I live in Tennessee, which Trump should easily win. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson, but if I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Trump over Hillary in a heartbeat. I know he's a total buffoon, and his idea for a "big beautiful wall" is lunatic, but I hate Hillary too much to ever vote for her.

I was hoping Sanders would somehow beat her, despite it being a long shot. And it was obvious the Democratic establishment and the media were supporting her. It's not coincidence that she was proclaimed the presumptive nominee right before those primaries, particularly in California. I imagine that probably kept a lot of Bernie people at home.

The fact it's taken her this long to secure the nomination shows how much people really dislike her.

I hope she gets indicted. I know Obama will pardon her ass, but I still want it to happen.

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08 Jun 2016, 3:27 pm

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Many of Sanders supporters like that he is anti-establishment. The ones who are truly progressive will never vote for Hillary or Trump since neither of them are anywhere near being a progressive. The leftovers that are just in it for the anti-establishment angle but liked Bernie's message over Trump's will vote Trump in their false belief that he is still anti-establishment, when in fact he is now becoming an establishment candidate, right in front of their eyes.


Out of 100 senators Hillary was the 11th most progressive. And since the only viable options are Trump and Clinton, any pragmatic progressive should vote for Clinton. A successful third party candidate will not happen. According to Wikipedia and other sources I have seen the most successful attempt at a third party run was Teddy Roosevelt, aside from Lincoln, at 27%. Right now local elections are the only place a third party candidate has a chance.
So if and when it does become a choice of the lesser of two evils then we should have a moral obligation to vote for the lesser evil.

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08 Jun 2016, 3:46 pm

BaronHarkonnen85 wrote:
Hillary is terrible. She has no real principles and changes her mind with the polls.

I live in Tennessee, which Trump should easily win. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson, but if I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Trump over Hillary in a heartbeat. I know he's a total buffoon, and his idea for a "big beautiful wall" is lunatic, but I hate Hillary too much to ever vote for her.

I was hoping Sanders would somehow beat her, despite it being a long shot. And it was obvious the Democratic establishment and the media were supporting her. It's not coincidence that she was proclaimed the presumptive nominee right before those primaries, particularly in California. I imagine that probably kept a lot of Bernie people at home.

The fact it's taken her this long to secure the nomination shows how much people really dislike her.

I hope she gets indicted. I know Obama will pardon her ass, but I still want it to happen.

End of rant.


There's not going to be a indictment, and even if there were I'm not sure Obama would even be in office anymore by the time a trial wrapped up. It didn't take all that long for her to be the nominee, these kinds of protracted primaries are very common, and also it doesn't show her weakness it just shows the strength of Bernie Sanders's policies.

It wasn't a coincidence that the media called it for Hillary. The AP called the super delegates and asked them who they were going to vote for and adding up both set of delegates it shows Hillary won. It was just a business decision, they need clicks and this is a good way to get them. It wouldn't have changed the results anyway Hillary would have still won. And I'm saying this as a person who voted for Bernie.

If Donald Trump is elected than the Supreme Court would be hopelessly lost to corporate interests for the next generation.



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08 Jun 2016, 4:11 pm

Trump has said absurd things in the past. Very non-Presidential.

He has very little prestige in the world. Prestige is more important than one thinks. We have interests around he world. A large bloc in the English Parliament even sought to exclude him from the UK--that's unprecedented.

1. He stated it was THEIR fault that Prisoners of War were captured. Where the hell did he get that from?

2. He seeks to exclude Muslims AS A WHOLE from the United States. Unprecendented! What is this: the Inquisition?

3. He seeks to have a judge thrown off his case involving his "college" merely because the guy's Hispanic. In this case, he would have Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor recused from hearing any of his cases.

More will come. More evidence of "foot-in-mouth" disease.

I wouldn't be really scared if he happens to be elected. We have an excellent system of "checks and balances" in place. Congress would probably block most of his program.

I do feel Trump would know he is "in over his head," and would hire people who know what they are doing to head most government departments.



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08 Jun 2016, 4:23 pm

Have Sander's supporters never heard of the Libertarian Party? Gary Johnson is their candidate. He's the former governor of New Mexico, and among other things he is not shy in admitting that he enjoys smoking pot, but promises to forego smoking it, if elected. How would this choice not be more appealing to them than either Trump or Hillary?



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08 Jun 2016, 4:23 pm

Revenge, of course.


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08 Jun 2016, 4:30 pm

If I was a Supreme Court Justice, I would feel that Trump's views threaten that institution. He doesn't seem like he wants an independent Judiciary. If a judge doesn't agree with him on a particular case, he would advocate recusing that judge from that case. This reeks of dictatorship, frankly.

Fortunately, like I said, we have "Check and Balances." Trump's Supreme Court appointments are subject to the scrutiny of Congress.



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08 Jun 2016, 4:37 pm

Which brings up the follow up question:

How could anyone holding the values that would prompt them to vote for Sanders then vote for Trump knowing the next president will be nominating anywhere from one to three Supreme Court Justices? He's already shown his contempt for judges.

My other question for Trump supporters is this:

How can you claim to even know what his values are? He changes them from one day to the next, from one reporter to the next? Doesn't that...bother you even the least bit? What about the constant overt lies?


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08 Jun 2016, 4:42 pm

Trump seems to be a purely "ends justified the means" kind of guy.

So were people like Hitler and Stalin.

(not that I would compare Trump to either of those two).

We need a person with SOME principles and consistent ethical values.

I sense that many people (e.g., the Pentagon, Republicans, Democrats) fear what would happen if Trump is allowed to run amok.



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08 Jun 2016, 4:57 pm

Trump and Sanders are on the same page when it comes to the sh*tty trade deals that Clinton loves, deals that are sucking the decent-paying manufacturing jobs right out of America. Sure Trump is a loud-mouth, a buffoon, and a racist, but the people need economic security before they have the luxury of worrying about things like that.



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08 Jun 2016, 5:01 pm

Shrapnel wrote:
Have Sander's supporters never heard of the Libertarian Party? Gary Johnson is their candidate. He's the former governor of New Mexico, and among other things he is not shy in admitting that he enjoys smoking pot, but promises to forego smoking it, if elected. How would this choice not be more appealing to them than either Trump or Hillary?


A third party candidate is doomed before they even enter the presidential race. Also libertarianism is pretty far from democratic socialism. On social issues they are similar but in economics they are virtually completely opposite. Even though Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders worked together on a lot of legislation there is a reason why they are in different parties.



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08 Jun 2016, 5:04 pm

When Trump starts inserting his tentacles into the Supreme Court (if he is able to), I think people will really start to notice WHY he shouldn't have been given the chance to do so.

This sort of thing threatens the freedoms which we have maintained since 1776.

It threatens the principle of "checks and balances," which, I believe, is a paramount reason why we've never have had a coup d'état.



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08 Jun 2016, 5:08 pm

When Trump starts inserting his tentacles into the Supreme Court (if he is able to), I think people will really start to notice WHY he shouldn't have been given the chance to do so.

This sort of thing threatens the freedoms which we have maintained since 1776.

It threatens the principle of Checks and Balance--which, I believe, is a paramount reason why we've never have had a coup d'état.

Then again:

Maybe Trump will realize that he is "in over his head," and become primarily a "figurehead" President. In this instance, he would be merely a delegator, and allow people who really know what they are doing to run the Executive Branch.



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08 Jun 2016, 5:12 pm

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Trump and Sanders are on the same page when it comes to the sh*tty trade deals that Clinton loves, deals that are sucking the decent-paying manufacturing jobs right out of America. Sure Trump is a loud-mouth, a buffoon, and a racist, but the people need economic security before they have the luxury of worrying about things like that.


Trump's idea for gaining economic security is building an unsustainable wall across the Mexican border that would do absolutely nothing to stop illegal immigration or increase economic security.

Right now Trump is being sued for running a fraudulent operation. I don't understand how people don't understand that he is nothing more than a salesman. If he wasn't born rich he'd be in a parking lot pushing used cars.

This is a guy who went from praising Hillary as a senator and claiming she'd make a great president to saying she's evil. How can anyone believe anything he says after things like that.

Oh and Hillary has come out against the TPP. I would like her to take a stronger position against it, but hey you can't get everything.



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08 Jun 2016, 5:17 pm

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It threatens the principle of "checks and balances," which, I believe, is a paramount reason why we've never have had a coup d'état.


If one person can threaten a system of checks and balances, then the system isn't doing a very good job.



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08 Jun 2016, 5:21 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
When Trump starts inserting his tentacles into the Supreme Court (if he is able to), I think people will really start to notice WHY he shouldn't have been given the chance to do so.

This sort of thing threatens the freedoms which we have maintained since 1776.

It threatens the principle of Checks and Balance--which, I believe, is a paramount reason why we've never have had a coup d'état.

Then again:

Maybe Trump will realize that he is "in over his head," and become primarily a "figurehead" President. In this instance, he would be merely a delegator, and allow people who really know what they are doing to run the Executive Branch.


I don't think Trump has the self awareness to tell whether or not he's in over his head. I also don't trust him to be a delegator either because he hasn't done well with his campaign staff and I think his picks would be too far to the right for my liking.

And I know we have checks and balances but that doesn't mean he couldn't do tremendous harm to our country, just look at Bush. We're still dealing with the fallout from his administration.