Can we send pensioners to war?

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So, there is http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... W1AA_n4nEb

Then there is the issue of the ensuing instability, especially since the world was already unstable, but... first old people take away democracy for the young, then opportunities, then... what happens if Russia, testing out its luck, starts a war not just in neighbouring areas? Oh, that is right, we send an army, an army of young people... how convenient.

So, I was originally going to propose a 'cull', especially since that is what adults themselves normally refer to stop a disease, and old people, in the UK at least, are plainly a disease. Not all, of course, just those who decided to destabilize the world and then, as history tells us, if conflict breaks out the disenfranchised youth goes to war? (I'd never personally do any such thing, but armies usually prefer younger, stronger... oh yeah, so the old, after sitting on their equities pouring out of their morbidly obese hypocrisy, can have a final sip at the liquor of life before finally expunging their diseased prejudice... while their children, potentially, rot in a wasteland).

The chart you cited is not the actual vote data; it is an online poll.

According to data from the UK census office ...

1. people with degrees or “professional occupations” — was the trait that most likely associated with voting "remain"
2. living in a poor area - was the trait most associated with "leave"

So, you should direct your angst towards poor people.

source:
https://next.ft.com/content/1ce1a720-ce ... 2356388a1f

So being old is a disease? And the cure is to kill us?

That's one of the most ageist, nasty OPs I have seen on PPR (and that's really saying something!)

FYI far from sitting on my "morbidly obese arse", I am as slender now as I was at your age. And that was mannequin slender.

Your gross generalisations are really very unpleasant and offensive . I hope you acquire more discernment in years to come (when you are old maybe?)

Have you ever read this: Adolfo Bioy Casares - Diary of the War of the Pig, B19? It's a very interesting if chilling read.

What a surprise. The people doing well like the status quo and the people who aren't do not.

Mootoo, I'm sure even some of the leftist elitists would blush at some of the things you have posted.

The problem I posited remains, though... education may be a bigger factor, which is why I mentioned it earlier, but old age also is... so, there were likely to be uneducated old people who voted leave, which would still leave my dilemma open... I just don't even understand how farmers, despite being subsidized, seemed to heavily vote leave... now when the local government doesn't give them as much where will the hatred go? This is what is so frustrating with the results... barely anyone had a rational reason to vote the way they do. Literally, as mentioned elsewhere, a pensioner even at one point thought he was simply fighting the Germans in WWII... so, the question remains, what happens war breaks out? It is fundamentally unfair for old people, yet again, to send the young to war, based solely on their decision to destabilize the world... thus, if that geezer really thinks he is still in WWII, he might end up naturally dying, but if WWIII breaks out surely he would have a blast of a time in it... but that will probably be the time when they're riddled with Parkinson, so it's all useless.

B19, I only mentioned obesity stereotypically, I don't suppose there is data about that... I did say that not all old people would fall in this generalization, thousands did vote to remain, it's just the rest - many seemingly never going abroad as the FT article implies - seemed to work on prejudice. I may be biased against a segment of society right now, but that is merely because it is biased again practically everyone... old people have done so much harm in the UK I wouldn't be surprised if children turned on their parents.

LoveNotHate, income is only slightly more correlative it seems than age, but education moreso, which indicates they still have their prejudices. Besides, income isn't a group demographic per se... age on the other hand does indicate a mindset, one that seemingly thought that coping outside for the next ten to twenty years could possibly be easy (which I doubt it will, so they'll hopefully have a taste of their medicine) and who cares about the next century and any possible complications (it is basic premise of the polls, that may not be perfectly accurate but it is still the gist as seen from the FT article).

CAN WE SEND PENSIONERS TO WAR?

Is this typical of the unpleasant greedy children of today?

That you could even THINK of disrespecting these people who
suffered during WWII to posslbly die and give you what you have now is appaling.

Is this typical of young people in Great Brtain? How sad...on the other hand
why don't you move to the EU where your masters live...you may be happier.

It is millennials of the western world in a large portion.

He has been getting angrier an angrier at the thwarting of easy life at someone else's expense.
You notice the ones that are most vitriolic over these kind of votes, you never see them talking about how their present "job" is affected. Only travel and free schooling.

I kinda blame my mom's and part of my own generation for allowing schools to high jack the raising of our children and indoctrinate the "joy" of globalist Koolaide.
I was not watching my votes on those issues close enough when I was in my 20s with no kids. I didn't pay attention to LOCAL elections until after Clinton was elected. I changed party then too.
Personally, I made the call to let my career stagnant to raise my kids. I was not liking what I was seeing in schools and Common Core. Tutoring, homeschooling , private school. My X sent them to public high school while he had them. They have never betrayed my trust in the fact that they are individual but model citizens.

If the young fellow applies the least amount of critical thinking he would realize unlike his spoiled and coddled generation, these old "pensioners" already served their country. And paid fair wages in for retirement . Most served or lost husbands and sons in the service or loved ones during wartime acts. They definitely had a lot to think about before saying No to EU. It was a vote of no confidence.
If these young Eu kids wanna be mad at anyone it should be Chancellor Murkel. Her high handed virtue signalling and population padding became too big to handle , specially since the less honest of these migrants made beelines for the bigger welfare states...like UK. By doing so destabilized the whole E U trust in the thought of globalization and the Euro (due 2020. That also would tank your market... but make members like UK too weak to bolt). Her arrogant treatment that showcased how very un-elected and unaccountable the main body in EU Council is and made citizens fear being in a central govt with no real voice. Hence union of extreme, moderate and progressive conservatives.

Personally if I am gonna someday live in a socialist state I would like a requirement of all young people to have 2 years of military before getting majority to vote. And I don't think they should be allowed to do anything without parental approval until they are emancipated by living well on their own or no longer a liability on their parents (thru debt or action. If they are on my tax return-they are not independents are they?). I also would like people on the public dole to be considered "dependents" and be withheld a right to vote.


But as a Constitutionalist in the US, I'd NEVER dream to enforce such a thing. I live in a Democratic Republic not a socialist , federalist tyranny.

so. a 73 year old and a 50 year old tell us that the pensioners lived through ww2. That was your parents.
2 years military service before voting rights? - now that sounds like a certain way to world peace.

as an older millennial, I stand with my younger peers.

was it not our grandparents, who lived through nationalist insanity, and decided to try for a pan-european solution, so europe would not tear itself up again?
and is it not the generation of the now 50 to 73 years olds, who managed the EU in such a way, that it would become a paradise for big transnational corporations, deadlocked for democracy?
did your generation decide to start pointless wars, just so we would have an opportunity to serve our country? is that what afghanistan is about? now- that finally makes sense.

you tell us that we are the entitled ones, because we got to go to school for 20 years, instead of "work". now that we are out of school and haunted by student loans, you are the CEOs trying to keep minimum wage low, try to avoid paying taxes and refuse to hire us on anything but a short-time contract.
well, thanks for the lego. we'll be building our houses from it, as we can't afford to live in the ones you're renting to us.

oh, and by the way, in our 20 years of going to school, we learned that free education is a brilliant idea for a national economy, and that if we don't manage to cut carbon emissions, w're all doomed.
well, just a reminder, it's your generation that had the chance for making changes to that. ours still can barely afford cars. and you built us an EU that is incapable of getting its s**t togethe against VW.

no, sending pensioners to wars is not a good idea.
just stop wars entirely and get rid of that idiotic idea of nation states and serving your country by killing people in other countries.
our grandparents started the EU so w would talk with each other.

about the old people...
two words:
soylent.
green.

It was the wrong solution, nation states is about as good at it gets for a tribal territorial species. The original trading agreement between France and Germany wasn't a bad idea actually, making the two nations dependant on each other, but the current situation has gone well beyond that. This Empire-by-the-back-door crap the EU pulls might even work, but the fate of all empires is to fall one day and back to nation states or worse we go.

well then, we might get our chance to serve our countries after all. looks like this time, germany might finally succeed- funnily, when I look around, it seems the racist bigots are all on the other side(s).

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having been raised on humanitarian values, I guess I'm on Germany's side then.

Thank you BR, the preview sounds like a must read and a discovery of a very accomplished novelist of the kind I would enjoy.

No, but it seems typical of Mootoo, since this is at least the second thread he's started where he expresses hatred for "old" people just because the Brexit vote did not go his way.

Why don't the old folks send Mootoo to war.

Yeah, those bloody old people never did nothin' for us!

Wow, what upset. You are really angry about something.

But let me assure you that at no time were either Gingerpickles or myself or anyone in our families (OK jump in now GP) ever in charge of any part of making the decisions you describe. Really; I'm telling the truth.

Are you unaware of who runs the government? Do you really think the "Pensioners" ever had a say in wars or minimum wage? Would you like to buy a bridge in N.Y.City?

Time to pull together guy. This is Democracy we're talking about here. In a Democracy you get one vote, and I get one vote, and if you vote differently than me I respect you for your decision. If something needs to be changed, there are ways to do this...get involved.

Cheers!