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Mikah
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26 Aug 2016, 10:34 pm

Vox Day posted a rough draft of alt-right philosophy for all interested parties. Since Hillary has pushed it from the darkest corners of the internet into the blinding light of day, this post may serve as useful reference. It's not a bad starting point, but as alt-right literally means "alternative right" (as in alternative to mainstream conservatism, e.g Tories in the UK, Republicans in the US) it is a broad church and not agreeing with a point or two in this list doesn't exclude someone from the alt-right umbrella.

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In the interest of developing a core Alt Right philosophy upon which others can build.

1.The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
2.The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
3.The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
4.The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.
5.The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
6.The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
7.The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
8.The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
9.The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
10.The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
11.The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
12.The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
13.The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
14.The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
15.The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
16.The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

TL;DR: The Alt Right is a Western ideology that believes in science, history, reality, and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in its own interests.

The patron saint of conservatives, Russell Kirk, wrote: "The great line of demarcation in modern politics, Eric Voegelin used to point out, is not a division between liberals on one side and totalitarians on the other. No, on one side of that line are all those men and women who fancy that the temporal order is the only order, and that material needs are their only needs, and that they may do as they like with the human patrimony. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal."

This is no longer true, assuming it ever was. The great line of demarcation in modern politics is now a division between men and women who believe that they are ultimately defined by their momentary opinions and those who believe they are ultimately defined by their genetic heritage. The Alt Right understands that the former will always lose to the latter in the end, because the former is subject to change.


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27 Aug 2016, 3:59 am

I take issue in particular with:

4.The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.

This sounds a bit racist to me.

I don't care about Christianity, I don't care about nationalism, and I'm not really sure what the Rule of Law is supposed to mean. I suppose alt-right thinks of themselves as virtuous warriors in some abstract battle of good vs. evil.

Alt-right thinks of themselves as good people. That doesn't mean I think of them as good people. Not even sure what they are really but not liking this list.



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27 Aug 2016, 9:52 am

Alt-Right is no places for Jewish people. Christianity, overall, has been a disaster to Western Civilization. The only reason why the West survived it is because secular thinking based on naturalistic science has displaced Christian theological thought from its political and economic dominance. Do you like life saving medicine, computers and machines to do the hard work? If Christianity had prevailed you would have none of these things. You would still be living in the Middle Ages. Back in those times most people where covered with sh*t and most people did not live to be 40 years old.


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27 Aug 2016, 10:06 am

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Christianity, overall, has been a disaster to Western Civilization. The only reason why the West survived it is because secular thing based on naturalistic science has displaced Christian theological thought from its political and economic dominance. Do you like life saving medicine, computers and machines to do the hard work? If Christianity had prevailed you would have none of these things. You would still be living in the Middle Ages. Back in those times most people where covered with sh*t and most people did not live to be 40 years old.


Saving this gem in my "This is what atheists actually believe" folder.


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27 Aug 2016, 11:41 am

Vox Day wrote:
4.The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.

15.The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

These two contradict each other...

Unless... of course... "Western Civilization" has no racial and/or genetic component... in which case the entire white suprema..."alt-right" house of cards collapses...

And wrt. to Christianity... perhaps it would be prudent to point out how Jews are disproportionally responsible for both the economic and scientific advances of this "pinnacle of human achievement" known as Western civilization...

Regardless, the author (Vox Day... there's a "moniker" screaming narcicissm if there ever was one :roll:) is quite a piece of work...

Here is another one of his gems:

Vox Day wrote:
The challenge is how to protect some semblance of free speech while strictly limiting, if not banning outright, the exercise of all non-Christian religions in Christendom. This is theoretically possible, as history demonstrates. But as events are rapidly demonstrating, in the current circumstances the latter is going to take precedence over the former.

Source: https://voxday.blogspot.dk/2015/11/the- ... -dead.html

By comparison, here is the passage in the 1933 party platform for the German National Socialist Party wrt. religious tolerance:

NSDAP wrote:
We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race.

Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... iprog.html

So I appear to have fallen victim to Godwin's Law... in reverse... Comparing Vox Day to Nazis is unfair... to the Nazis.

... And if this wasn't enough... (seriously, I'm not making this up)... he's apparently a fan of the Taliban...

Vox Day wrote:
Ironically, in light of the strong correlation between female education and demographic decline, a purely empirical perspective on Malala Yousafzai, the poster girl for global female education, may indicate that the Taliban's attempt to silence her was perfectly rational and scientifically justifiable.

Source: http://alphagameplan.blogspot.dk/2013/1 ... ation.html

... What a guy... And for someone who likes to tout the superiority of Christianity, Vox Day appears to be quite ignorant of Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 22:35-40, Mark 12:28-31 and Luke 10:25-28...



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27 Aug 2016, 12:15 pm

17. dank memes



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27 Aug 2016, 1:14 pm

I find it to be rather inconsistent and disagreeable.

Also it's funny because Christianity didn't have origins in 'the west'.


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27 Aug 2016, 3:34 pm

In summary:

Barney Gumble wrote:
I'm just sayin' that when we die there's gonna be a planet for the French, a planet for the Chinese, and we'll all be a lot happier.


What The Alt-Right Is, then, is some bizarre deadpan parodic comedy art-terrorist project that's getting way out of hand.


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27 Aug 2016, 4:27 pm

Mikah wrote:
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Christianity, overall, has been a disaster to Western Civilization. The only reason why the West survived it is because secular thing based on naturalistic science has displaced Christian theological thought from its political and economic dominance. Do you like life saving medicine, computers and machines to do the hard work? If Christianity had prevailed you would have none of these things. You would still be living in the Middle Ages. Back in those times most people where covered with sh*t and most people did not live to be 40 years old.


Saving this gem in my "This is what atheists actually believe" folder.


Saving this one in my "Everyone has in-group blinkers" folder. :P



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27 Aug 2016, 4:33 pm

Jacoby wrote:
17. dank memes


Spot on. Racist trolls do seem to be fond of those, and from what I can tell that's what the Alt-Right seems to consist of. I wonder if there is a psychological explanation for the intersection of racist beliefs and lack of originality and sense of humour? If one lacks creativity in one's sense of humour, does that make one more psychologically prone to racist ideology? Someone should do a study.


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27 Aug 2016, 4:41 pm

How would you measure "creativity" in someone's sense of humour? Are people who read out Christmas cracker jokes more prone to racism too?



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27 Aug 2016, 4:52 pm

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How would you measure "creativity" in someone's sense of humour? Are people who read out Christmas cracker jokes more prone to racism too?


I mean creativity in the sense of being able to create one's own jokes rather than just reproducing the tired "humour" of others. I'm not sure about the Xmas cracker thing--this is why I think someone should do a study, to answer these very important questions. :lol:

You seem to have taken my post rather personally--you do understand I was talking about racist trolls, right? There's no reason for you to take a comment making fun of racist trolls personally. Is there? :chin:


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27 Aug 2016, 5:05 pm

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You seem to have taken my post rather personally--you do understand I was talking about racist trolls, right? There's no reason for you to take a comment making fun of racist trolls personally. Is there? :chin:


Actually, you seem to be talking exclusively about yourself.



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27 Aug 2016, 5:07 pm

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You seem to have taken my post rather personally--you do understand I was talking about racist trolls, right? There's no reason for you to take a comment making fun of racist trolls personally. Is there? :chin:


Actually, you seem to be talking exclusively about yourself.


mmmmmkay. :thumright:


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27 Aug 2016, 5:09 pm

wilburforce wrote:
mmmmmkay. :thumright:


Not seeing an original witty response and your post contains a thumbs-up meme. Still stand by your hypothesis?



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27 Aug 2016, 5:27 pm

I've always had a hypothesis about the "alt-right" that involves a bunch of kids on 4chan saying racist things to shock each other until actual racists got word and started showing up there without realizing the joke, and now no one really knows if any of them are genuine or just in it for the lulz.


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