I regret voting for Trump.

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Having endured that Kevin Costner stinker at one holiday gathering or another, I think I'll go with the cars with machineguns option, thank you very much. You do seem to have missed my point though, which was more that my intensely practical set of skills makes me useful in pretty much any economy or scenario, as fixing and building things is one of those fields that isn't easily outsourced on the one hand, and not dependent on an advanced economy or access to technology on the other. Cooking and butchery too, for that matter, are always useful and difficult to automate or subcontract.



I keep saying that more gun people than you think are not socially conservative and share many of your values; you argue otherwise, meaning that you think you know better, whether you come right out and say it or not. As the person here who actually belongs to the gun culture and spends time at shooting ranges and on gun boards, I find that a tad bit presumptuous on your part.



In all these years Bill, have you failed to notice that though my knuckles might drag a bit, I'm pretty clearly an intellectual? If you wanted to pick subjects I don't know much about, you'd do better to go with pro wrestling or daytime soaps, though I'm sadly up to date on reality TV due to my girlfriend's love of the genre. I am curious though, I mean if you know that you don't know a whole lot about guns and gun politics, why do you keep arguing with me about them and not educating yourself? That's the kind of thing that makes me think you're just trying to wind me up, and that's when I get prickly.



Of course not, it just means that your opinion carries no value if there is no factual basis to support it. Think about it, in all the years we've been arguing, have you ever known me to talk completely out of my ass, just pull stuff from thin air, or dissemble about my right to an opinion without anything to support it? Maybe you don't agree with my conclusions or reasoning, but have you ever caught me with the wrong facts?

I'll admit, it's probably not good for me, it cripples me socially because I'm so afraid of turning into that guy that holds forth loudly on subjects he knows nothing about that I don't talk about anything I haven't researched, but here on the internet with all the information in the world but a mouse click away, I find it almost disrespectful when I'm Googling anything I'm less than certain of and the best you (and it's far from just you I'm talking about here) can muster is having a right to an opinion. Maybe it's my own fault, but I have high standards for making decisions, as you've doubtlessly noticed from all the times I've chided you or other people for jumping to conclusions with incomplete information, and it's frustrating to me that apparently that's an unusual value for most people.

But he voted for Trump because of guns regardless of how many other things he agrees with you on, and he's hardly alone in that.

I have never, ever doubted that you are an intellectual. It's just that all I ever get out of you are gun politics, and libertarianism. It's hard to converse with someone when they're range of interests is so narrow. I'll tell you what: have a discussion with me about works of fiction, or about history, or the related disciplines of anthropology and archaeology, and I'm sure you and I would have a great time. But I seriously am not interested in firearms, save for how they look cool shooting people in movies. If you want to talk about weapons, talk about edged weapons like swords, axes, spears, and the like, which I would sincerely enjoy talking about.
And while I'll readily admit to turning my brain off from time to time to enjoy pro-wrestling, I have never, ever been a fan of soap operas.
As for Sly voting for Trump primarily, as I understand it, for the gun issue - yes, but otherwise, he and I share the same concerns. Both he and I hold Paul Ryan in low regard, and I seriously hope President elect Trump does as well.

Yep which wasn't destroy the constitution Hilary. Unfortunately democrats pissed people off enough to still lose the senate , I suspect they're lose more in 2018 and the republicans will get more then 60 giving them a super majority to do whatever they want.

Rather attention seeking post, I'd say. I question the veracity of it.

the GOP already can do 99% of what it wants via eliminating the filibuster, or budget reconciliation process which requires just a simple majority. outside of an anonymous hold, we're screwed.

Democrats should of heeded the warnings from people about unchecked executive power and the rights of the minority in our democracy because they were told then that it would all come back to bite them. I think Trump will have a working majority and will be able to peel off vulnerable Democratic Senate votes many of which are up for reelection in 2018, he might not need to invoke the 'nuclear option' but he certainly has all the leverage to. Obstruction and simply not working with Trump is not an option, at least not a very intelligent one going forward considering the potential looming GOP super majority.

Obamacare was passed by a simple majority thru the budget process of reconciliation so it seems fair that it could be used in it's repeal & replacement. Fair is fair. Lets see how cooperative they are with judges because I would support the 'nuclear option' being applied to the SCOTUS as it has been so reduced under Obama with everything else, this is a unique time for the for the court with the amount of potential openings in the next 4 years to 8 years so it is an opportunity of cementing in justices who believe and uphold the constitution as it is written for the next generation. America really was at threat under Hillary Clinton, she despises the constitution and wishes to erode our most basic freedoms and while there is much work to be done it should be known how close we were to losing this country permanently.

We are much better off now than if we had elected non-functioning divided government and I think the markets have reflected that, those looking for retribution for the way they believe Obama was treated I think are foolish since Obama came in not needing a single Republican vote for anything and the concessions he made were strictly to moderates in their own party. Elections matter, majorities matter, I would not have much tolerance for attention seekers or ideological grand standers when it comes to filibusters and I feel this is all justified given how Obama abused the slim majorities that he had and lost(started with a super majory in both houses)

I am encouraged by some of the things I've heard from the incoming Democratic minority in the Senate(not hard to do considering they were under the leadership of Harry Reid before), Chuck Schumer has signaled that he will work with Trump on things that they agree about and that he wanted to force Trump to decide between his populist rhetoric and the free market principles of his party. I think this is where some of those vulnerable Democrats can really come into to play, infrastructure is something Democrats agree with and it's something that tangible that can be brought back home which there has not been much doing the last few yours with all the gridlock

"repeal and replace" is turning out to be just "repeal" with nothing of substance that would actually cover the working class. and any senator of mine or congressman who votes for that, will not get my vote next time, I will be voting socialist.

As more than enough Republican reps are being told by their constituents back home not to touch Obamacare (or at least, not much), I think the situation might not be so dire after all. After all, Republican or Democrat, these are career politicians whose number one concern is to be reelected.

Obama had to depend solely on Democratic votes in congress because the Republicans had made a concerted effort to block anything he wanted. And no, it wasn't necessarily because they disagreed with Obama, but due to total vindictiveness on their part.

if they touch the subsidies, it is over.

Obama had such big majorities that he did not need to compromise or include Republicans in anything at the beginning of his presidency, I think he might of gotten more done if he never had a supermajority like that since of course the GOP would not cooperate if it is not even included in the process but their opposition really meant nothing the elections in 2010 and even when the GOP won Ted Kennedy's seat they still passed Obamacare thru with reconciliation. I think Democrats would be very foolish to think the voters will reward them obstruction.

I can't vote for somebody that screws me.

Thing is, though, on the night of Obama's inauguration, the Republican house and senate leadership had met to conspire to slow government to a snail's pace in order to make Obama's Presidency a single term.

Never have wiser words been written. I completely agree.

thank you the democratic party is gonna have to get back to its working class self or else it may cease to be a national party. working class meaning people without college degrees and fancy jobs.