Is recognition that Jews have the best ideology of the Abrah

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Is recognition that Jews have the best ideology of the Abrahamic cults the reason Muslims and Christians hate Jews?

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Muslims and Christians foolishly read their holy books literally, ignoring that none of the Abrahamic cults did in the past.

http://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

This fact makes Muslims and Christians idol worshipers. All Muslim and Christian denominations ignore that the Jesus they all profess to respect preached that we should all be God seekers and never become idol worshipers the way Muslims and Christians have done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

Gnostic Christians like me were and are esoteric ecumenists. You might say that to the old Abrahamic cults of Muslims, Christians and Jews, we were the religious whores of those old days, thanks to the fact that our mystery schools would pick and choose the best tenets of all religions and work them into our Universalist creed. We would not tie ourselves down to becoming idol worshipers of imaginary demiurges the way Muslims and Christians did in ancient days and continue to do today. The fool says in his heart, I know who God is and who his prophets are.

Gnostic Christians and Jews, --- having a superior ideology and philosophy of seeking a good God, --- instead of becoming idol worshipers like Muslims and Christians, --- shared the hate and attempted genocide that Jews suffered thanks to Christians then Muslims.

Should Muslims and Christians admit their ideological deficiencies and turn their hate to love. It should be quite easy for religions that say they are all about peace and love.

I think it would be fitting for Muslims and Christians to start walking their talk and apologise to Jews and Gnostic Christians by giving them the recognition for excellence in religious matters.

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DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8

Generalize much?

I'm trying to figure out if this is trolling or not... I am tending toward concluding that you actually want to discuss your religious views, but think a click-bait title and lie-filled screed about most religious people is the best conversation starter.

You make these sweeping comments about Christians and Muslims and then differentiate "Gnostic Christians" as if people knew what your particular version of Gnosticism or Christianity was about.

Sufis take the Koran literally? Really?

Bishop Spong was a biblical literalist? Really?

I think you could start a reasonable conversation about this stuff if you took a different approach.

Were I to reply in kind to your OP, I might say: "Gnostics are misogynists and hate life. All physical reality is evil in their view and this is why they invent the idea of the Demiurge to project their hatred of creation onto. Their supposed love of "the real god" is a thinly veiled form of luciferianism and this is why they always end up in with magical practices centered on Abraxas an all the other mystical folderol." Of course, that would be unfair.

I am interested to hear what you really think about these things. Do you think you can discuss it without posting like a troll?

Only if you keep your really unintelligent name calling to a minimum.

My first suggestion would be to read what Gnostic Christians wrote, divide the myths from what we actually believe and that way you might recognize our better and more intelligent Universalist theology.

Let me try for a civil conversation, even if it is a bit off topic.

"All physical reality is evil in their view"

I do not agree with this.

Note the Christian view that does sound like that is their belief.

Gen3; 17 And unto Adam He said: 'Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying: Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. 18; Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field.

Now compare the Gnostic Christian view.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

We do not hate mater as mater and our bodies is where God resides.

Now let's chat.

When you look about, what do you see?

The cursed earth of the Christians, or the evolving heavenly perfection, as I call it, of reality?

Before you answer, consider.

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand. That is an irrefutable statement.

Regards
DL

One of the biggest reasons for European Antisemitism is due to the fact that Jews were seen as most likely shills/spies, or a fifth column for the Ottoman Empire and the Moors. --Back in the day there were no issues with Jews in Islamic lands as long as they payed Zakat.

You know why so many Muslims have a problem with Jews?

It's because they're constantly killing us. That's it. Really, it isn't rocket science. All of us are sick of being bombed and being told it's our fault. And I'd rather not generalize an entire ethnic group; there are some Jews, I'm aware, who do feel remorse for the constant Israeli aggression, but I've yet to actually meet one.

Since when are Jews killing Muslims? If anything, it's the other way around, given the fact that Islam was founded by a pedophilic warlord who spread faith by the sword.

Also, Muslims are killing other Muslims at an alarming rate nowadays (ISIS, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc.). Israel is by itself and every country in the region is hostile towards them.

And yet they are trying to destroy the Palestinians.
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In one tiny part of the world Jews are in conflict with Muslims. And the "kill ratio" between the two groups is in favor of the Jews (more Palestinians die than do Israelies). That much is true.

But globally the billion plus population of Muslims in the world is not being oppressed by the tiny 13 million population of Jews in the world.

Amazing similarity in style and substance.

Why isn't recognition of your own ideology supposed to result in a religious war.

Unintelligent name calling?

This is a farcical reply. "unintelligent" is name calling.

Where have I done likewise to you?

I question that your opening post may be trolling because it seems designed to incite conflict rather than conversation. That is not "name calling." Subsequent "why hate the jews" posts make it clear that the OP has, as was predictable, incited people to justifications for religious prejudice rather than a discussion of Gnostic Christianity or the virtues and defects of various approaches to imagining the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and Mohamed.


I invite you to discuss the beliefs that are evidently important to you and you tell me to RTFM. I don't want to. I may want to hear what YOU have to say for your beliefs, if you can do it in a different tone than you've started off with.



Yeah, that's fine--I don't care either way.

when I said "Were I to reply in kind to your OP..." what I meant was that if I was writing something about Gnosticism in the same trolling (provocative, offensive) tone as your OP, then it would be something like this... I don't actually believe any of that. I took my thin, minimal knowledge of Gnosticism and wrote up bits of it in a deliberately provocative way to help you see how your OP might come across to Christians and Muslisms.

You respond as if I was actually promoting such nonsense, totally missing the point. Perhaps I made it badly, not being sufficiently clear in my post.



Your use of this quote makes me wonder if you have actually read Candide at all. The story does not actually promote the Panglossian perspective.

One might say that this is the only "possible" world, given the conditions at hand. But this hinges on a particular and unusual definition of the word "possible," one already based in the idea of a thoroughly deterministic, fated universe in which choice is merely a delusion and no events are random.

In answer to your question, I see neither a cursed earth nor a heavenly perfection. I see an evolving earth full of splendor and horror in an almost inconceivably vast cosmos with an inconceivably vast number of worlds on which all manner of conditions may prevail.

The imaginations of most religious thinkers that I have read seem grossly inadequate to the scale of the reality revealed by our scientific exploration of the energies around us.

Can you clarify who you are addressing this to?

I am addressing it to any competing, religious view, in general, but to the OP, in particular.

Can your faith result in world war.

Except you can't really compare crimes committed by individuals, to the systematic oppression of Muslims by Jews. You can't compare the paranoid delusions of "white genocide", to the very real danger of Palestinian genocide. Between the bloated and small-minded American state, which gleefully topples democracies and destroys prosperity, to the roguish and elitist Israeli state that kicks 'em while they're down, Muslims (and especially Arab Muslims) have a lot to be upset about.

As for "bringing rapists"? The IDF's head rabbi once said that IDF soldiers are allowed to rape gentile (non-Jewish) women, so that's not an unfounded fear either.


Every country in the region is hostile to Israel because we've seen how Israel treats those weaker than itself. Israeli soldiers force their way into other countries, and brand a "terrorist" anyone who resists the intrusion. You can say that Islam has a terror problem, but there are two sides to the story; honestly there was never any terror problem before Israel started kicking in people's doors.

An honest and informed observer must answer "yes" regardless of the details of their faith. Given the right circumstances, mass violence is something we do.

A history of warfare
War (Gwynne Dyer)
Lessons from our evolutionary relatives: primate aggression
Unexpected mob violence observed among gorillas.

You blame Jews for the actions of Israel. This is like people finding you personally guilty for the crimes of ISIS.

That is wrong, as I'm sure you already know.

Who has killed more Muslims in the middle east in the last century, Jews or other Muslims?