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04 Mar 2017, 9:33 pm

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Being deplorable aint nothin' to be proud of.

Says the people who want to tell others how to live.


How do I tell others how to live? By insisting everyone has civil rights that are to be respected by everyone else?


I believe she said "people" not "you". Anyways, it's the methods used in trying to force society to conform to their ideology that's the problem.

Also I see "proud to be deplorable" used the same as say a gay person using a slur like "proud to be a fag".

It's funny how the team that fights against slurs, makes up so many of them to brand people with.



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04 Mar 2017, 10:45 pm

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It's funny how the team that fights against slurs, makes up so many of them to brand people with.


Wait, which team is that? The one calling their opponents deplorable bigots or the one calling their opponents baby-killing traitors and cucks and whores?


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04 Mar 2017, 11:11 pm

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-oba ... veillance/

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President Trump recently tweeted claiming that former President Obama wiretapped him during his campaign. One can only imagine how nuts the media would have gone if the roles had been reversed: President Trump wiretapping either Obama or the Clintons, though his DOJ could have authority to do just that given the expansive leaks of intelligence information by Obama and Clinton supporters the last few months. Heck, he could wiretap the media at this point, legally and legitimately, as the sources of these unlawful leaks, for which Obama himself set precedent. Do liberals understand what Pandora’s Box Obama opened up by Obama using the powers of the NSA, CIA and FBI to spy on his political opponents? Even Nixon never did that.


Obama is in big trouble



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04 Mar 2017, 11:32 pm

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http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/

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President Trump recently tweeted claiming that former President Obama wiretapped him during his campaign. One can only imagine how nuts the media would have gone if the roles had been reversed: President Trump wiretapping either Obama or the Clintons, though his DOJ could have authority to do just that given the expansive leaks of intelligence information by Obama and Clinton supporters the last few months. Heck, he could wiretap the media at this point, legally and legitimately, as the sources of these unlawful leaks, for which Obama himself set precedent. Do liberals understand what Pandora’s Box Obama opened up by Obama using the powers of the NSA, CIA and FBI to spy on his political opponents? Even Nixon never did that.


Obama is in big trouble


The FBI asked for a wiretap and was denied by a FISA court. How exactly is Obama in trouble?


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04 Mar 2017, 11:55 pm

try reading

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If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials might even face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the reports are accurate. We just don’t know at this time. The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are than Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble.


article explains further

also it is from Obama that these leaks are happening

this is Watergate level stuff for sure

Obama is Chicago thug politician and always has been, he won his senate seat by working behind the scenes to unseal the divorce records of his opponents in both the Democratic primary(Blair Hull) and general election(Jack Ryan). It's funny how you start seeing these patterns.

If any of you actually care about democracy and the rule of law in this country you should be outraged, imagine if Trump was accused of anything even close to this? All we have with Trump is innuendo from 'unnamed sources' and that is believed by some of you as holy gospel even tho they completely ignore the abuses of power in Obama's presidency.

Remember how Obama made all those changes to federal agencies in the last days of his presidency? Not a coincidence.



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05 Mar 2017, 12:05 am

Jacoby wrote:
try reading

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If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials might even face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the reports are accurate. We just don’t know at this time. The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are than Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble.


article explains further

also it is from Obama that these leaks are happening

this is Watergate level stuff for sure

Obama is Chicago thug politician and always has been, he won his senate seat by working behind the scenes to unseal the divorce records of his opponents in both the Democratic primary(Blair Hull) and general election(Jack Ryan). It's funny how you start seeing these patterns.

If any of you actually care about democracy and the rule of law in this country you should be outraged, imagine if Trump was accused of anything even close to this? All we have with Trump is innuendo from 'unnamed sources' and that is believed by some of you as holy gospel even tho they completely ignore the abuses of power in Obama's presidency.

Remember how Obama made all those changes to federal agencies in the last days of his presidency? Not a coincidence.


Oh, I read the article, but it sounds like more noise from the noise machine. Let's see how this unfolds.


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05 Mar 2017, 12:22 am

I don't find it hard to believe that Obama illegally spied on Trump at all, he's illegally spied on all of us and all our allies overseas as we know because of Edward Snowden. If that is what Obama did then he broke the law and is engaging in active sedition, this is an affront against our democracy and one of the worst crimes in the history of this country. These criminals were really counting on Hillary winning so this all got swept under the rug, they will burn this country to the ground before giving up power.



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05 Mar 2017, 12:28 am

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I don't find it hard to believe that Obama illegally spied on Trump at all, he's illegally spied on all of us and all our allies overseas as we know because of Edward Snowden. If that is what Obama did then he broke the law and is engaging in active sedition, this is an affront against our democracy and one of the worst crimes in the history of this country. These criminals were really counting on Hillary winning so this all got swept under the rug, they will burn this country to the ground before giving up power.


His article is referring to claims originating with Louise Mensch and Mark Levin. I'm not sure we can consider those people to be even slightly credible, they're well known propagandists who peddle conspiracy theories and other assorted lies - or if you prefer fake news.


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05 Mar 2017, 12:45 am

Jacoby wrote:
this is Watergate level stuff for sure.

It really is:
Washington Post: Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose

Washington Post: Trump, citing no evidence, accuses Obama of ‘Nixon/Watergate’ plot to wiretap Trump Tower

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Trump offered no citations nor did he point to any credible news report to back up his accusation, but he may have been referring to commentary on Breitbart and conservative talk radio suggesting that Obama and his administration used “police state” tactics last fall to monitor the Trump team. The Breitbart story, published Friday, has been circulating among Trump's senior staff, according to a White House official who described it as a useful catalogue of the Obama administration's activities.


Trump is making this wild claim about Obama to distract from his collapsing administration.

Notice in the first story there is evidence of malfeasance, while in the second there is unsubstantiated accusation.



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05 Mar 2017, 1:05 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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It's funny how the team that fights against slurs, makes up so many of them to brand people with.


Wait, which team is that? The one calling their opponents deplorable bigots or the one calling their opponents baby-killing traitors and cucks and whores?


The high road liberals.



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05 Mar 2017, 1:06 am

Evidence of what? You must not know the law very well, you just parrot talking points without much critical thinking. What did those bogus FISA warrants find? Absolutely nothing but this has not stopped disgraceful Democratic partisans from further continuing their witch hunt which they have done by leaking information to the media which is of course cheered on by so called 'liberals'. Illegally spying on your political opponents literally was Watergate.



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05 Mar 2017, 1:11 am

I'm waiting or all this to backfire on the Democrats. It would be another in a long series of failures and defeats for them. Maybe the final nail in their coffin.

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05 Mar 2017, 1:38 am

EzraS wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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It's funny how the team that fights against slurs, makes up so many of them to brand people with.


Wait, which team is that? The one calling their opponents deplorable bigots or the one calling their opponents baby-killing traitors and cucks and whores?


The high road liberals.


And which road are you claiming to take?
Further, many of the terms parts of the right complain are slurs are merely accurate descriptive terms. Describing someone as homophobic or racist based on opinions they express isn't a slur if it's true.
Further, most of the folks slinging the mud aren't the 'we take the high road' establishment Democrats/centrist liberals.


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05 Mar 2017, 1:47 am

Jacoby wrote:
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/

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President Trump recently tweeted claiming that former President Obama wiretapped him during his campaign. One can only imagine how nuts the media would have gone if the roles had been reversed: President Trump wiretapping either Obama or the Clintons, though his DOJ could have authority to do just that given the expansive leaks of intelligence information by Obama and Clinton supporters the last few months. Heck, he could wiretap the media at this point, legally and legitimately, as the sources of these unlawful leaks, for which Obama himself set precedent. Do liberals understand what Pandora’s Box Obama opened up by Obama using the powers of the NSA, CIA and FBI to spy on his political opponents? Even Nixon never did that.


Obama is in big trouble


From what I know about this story, it's a matter of Trump's own vindictive paranoia than with anything legitimately grounded in fact.


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05 Mar 2017, 3:10 am

funeralxempire wrote:
EzraS wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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It's funny how the team that fights against slurs, makes up so many of them to brand people with.


Wait, which team is that? The one calling their opponents deplorable bigots or the one calling their opponents baby-killing traitors and cucks and whores?


The high road liberals.


And which road are you claiming to take?
Further, many of the terms parts of the right complain are slurs are merely accurate descriptive terms. Describing someone as homophobic or racist based on opinions they express isn't a slur if it's true.
Further, most of the folks slinging the mud aren't the 'we take the high road' establishment Democrats/centrist liberals.


I address parties, not individuals.
Just because a party feels it's righteous in labeling and branding people with slurs they made up, doesn't make them so - in fact they do it to force their ideology on others.
For the most part liberals tout themselves enlightened and virtuous and regard most everyone else as ignorant scum, whilst they riot, pillage and make death threats etc. This bothers me.



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05 Mar 2017, 3:25 am

Truthfully, the vast majority of liberals don't riot and pillage, nor do they make death threats.

Nor are the vast majority of conservatives Nazis, fascists, or abject racists, nor do they make death threats.