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27 Mar 2017, 8:02 pm

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Well, I was going for "short and sweet" (so-to-speak)----direct, and to-the-point----I'll try to put a little more umpf into it, next time!! LOL
That's the spirit! :D
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Well, I can't really speak to ALOT of places, but, here in Baltimore: There's a large impoverished population (Bernie Sanders said, when he was here, "it's like a third-world country"----'course, alot of that has to do with so many businesses being burned / boarded-up / closed, because of the riots after Freddie Gray's death), alot of schizophrenics that aren't finding / seeking help, alot of Diabetics (including alot of people who have had to get their leg[s] chopped off, because of it), rampant cocaine and heroine abuse takes so many lives (figuratively - and literally too), alot of tuberculosis, alot of hepatitis (common among pushers), alot of gangs, and a huge lack of jobs (Baltimore was a HUGE Port City - maybe only rivaled by NYC, on the East Coast - but, so many of the big corporations that were here, moved to other parts of the country, or sent the work overseas, or just went out of business [ie, GM, McCormick Spice, Domino Sugar, Bromo Seltzer, Martin and Marietta, Bethlehem Steel, CSX (I worked for them, myself, as a brakeman / conductor - but, when companies leave, there isn't as much work, and so the last one hired, is the first one fired), and others - almost all of which were manufacturing jobs - and with no companies, replacing them])----so, that's alot, to make alot of people depressed, angry, feel entitled, maybe even an explanation for what seems to be, like, a psychopathy epidemic (as in, "my life has no value----so, why should YOURS?" [or, "neither should yours"]), etc., etc., etc.
Well that explains it.
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In reality, though, probably none of that is any different than any other major metropolitan area.....
Except for major metropolitan areas that have a lower rate of unemployment.

I think you're not something when you say part of the cause is "there isn't as much work". They say idle hands are the devil's playthings.


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27 Mar 2017, 8:28 pm

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so you didn't bother to read my link, don't give a crap about people dying and are still trying to redefine words. also you're hilariously ignorant about US guns flying into mexico to fuel the border skirmishes and generally turn the border areas into DMZs.
as for your comments about my location.....you are aware that immigrants are a thing, right?

Oh, WTG----when one doesn't know what they're talking about, the best bet is to just say ANYTHING. Please point to where I spoke about "border skirmishes"----on-second-thought, nevermind, I'm quite done with this conversation with you, on this thread.

As for your being an immigrant: I'm not buyin', today.





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Campin Cat do you still have my fillet knife?

Oh----yeah----here ya go.....

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27 Mar 2017, 8:48 pm

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It's also dickless to blindly go along with propaganda and slanted statistics. Why not apply some critical thinking to the subject and come up with your own answers?
Would you be shocked if my own answers differed from yours? :lol: Usually when I come up with my own answers I get flack from both sides. Not that I'll let that stop me.

Yeah, I suppose if you believe that inanimate objects are capable of acting on thier own or taking control of people's minds.


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27 Mar 2017, 9:07 pm

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It's also dickless to blindly go along with propaganda and slanted statistics. Why not apply some critical thinking to the subject and come up with your own answers?
Would you be shocked if my own answers differed from yours? :lol: Usually when I come up with my own answers I get flack from both sides. Not that I'll let that stop me.

Yeah, I suppose if you believe that inanimate objects are capable of acting on thier own or taking control of people's minds.

It's people I worry about but I don't think people need help.


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27 Mar 2017, 9:29 pm

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In reality, though, probably none of that is any different than any other major metropolitan area.....
Except for major metropolitan areas that have a lower rate of unemployment.

Yeah, that's true.

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I think you're not something when you say part of the cause is "there isn't as much work". They say idle hands are the devil's playthings.

Yep----totally!




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27 Mar 2017, 9:35 pm

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so you didn't bother to read my link, don't give a crap about people dying and are still trying to redefine words. also you're hilariously ignorant about US guns flying into mexico to fuel the border skirmishes and generally turn the border areas into DMZs.
as for your comments about my location.....you are aware that immigrants are a thing, right?

Oh, WTG----when one doesn't know what they're talking about, the best bet is to just say ANYTHING. Please point to where I spoke about "border skirmishes"----on-second-thought, nevermind, I'm quite done with this conversation with you, on this thread.

right here:

"unless Americans are coming to YOUR country, and trying to illegally sell YOUR citizens, guns, it shouldn't matter to any other country, what we're doing."

I established that Americans are doing exactly what you said, and you glossed over it. I can see how committed to accuracy you are if this is your usual method of handwaving away arguments you can't get your head around.
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As for your being an immigrant: I'm not buyin', today.

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27 Mar 2017, 9:37 pm

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Yeah, I suppose if you believe that inanimate objects are capable of acting on thier own or taking control of people's minds.
that would certainly explain your whitenoise posting, it's your rifle doing it one key at a time!



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27 Mar 2017, 9:40 pm

Oh, geez----I almost forgot.....

Dox: EXCELLENT article about the CDC----I totally copied / pasted / saved it (including the URL)! !

Raptor: Those pizza stories blew my mind!! As always, I would LOVE for the conversation to be about mental illness, in regard to when people use guns to commit crimes (especially mass murders)----also, the use / misuse of prescription drugs (I know that Ritalin made ME so angry, when I was on it, that I wanted to hurt somebody).







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28 Mar 2017, 1:09 am

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I've never been more heavily armed than when I delivered pizza, if I'm going into sketchy neighborhoods late at night with an illuminated sign attached to my vehicle proclaiming that I'm carrying cash, best believe I'm tooling up. I had a positively hilarious encounter with hospital security one time when some nurses ordered and the rookie guard made me go through the metal detector, IIRC I had to check two guns, four spare magazines, two folding knives, a can of pepper spray, and a telescoping ASP baton, it took a good five minutes to check and log all of it, and everyone in the entry to the hospital got real wide eyed by the time I was able to go in. Talking to the regular guys later, I found out that I'd caused quite the incident for them, that they'd been waving delivery people through for years, and they'd had to change the policy because of me. I was pretty proud of that.


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28 Mar 2017, 1:23 am

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I've never been more heavily armed than when I delivered pizza, if I'm going into sketchy neighborhoods late at night with an illuminated sign attached to my vehicle proclaiming that I'm carrying cash, best believe I'm tooling up. I had a positively hilarious encounter with hospital security one time when some nurses ordered and the rookie guard made me go through the metal detector, IIRC I had to check two guns, four spare magazines, two folding knives, a can of pepper spray, and a telescoping ASP baton, it took a good five minutes to check and log all of it, and everyone in the entry to the hospital got real wide eyed by the time I was able to go in. Talking to the regular guys later, I found out that I'd caused quite the incident for them, that they'd been waving delivery people through for years, and they'd had to change the policy because of me. I was pretty proud of that.


That's some story, Mr. D.! Do you realize that most hospital security guards don't carry guns? If there was a problem and I was working, I'd be right on the horn ordering a pizza just so you'd show up with your arsenal! :mrgreen:


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28 Mar 2017, 1:26 am

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Why would I be scared of carrying a gun? I'd be scared of other people carrying guns.


Why would you be scared of other gun carriers? They break fewer laws than the police, you're safer around them than just about anyone else.

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Of course crime will exist without guns. Not as much deadly crime.

I couldn't find a statistical source specifically for non-gun crimes in the US but I found this. If you were thinking of a specific source I'd be happy to look at it.


Intriguingly, our murder rate minus the gun murders is still much higher than, say, Japans, and that's assuming no weapon substitution for the gun murders, which, again, points to other factors driving our murder rate.

What is interesting in that chart you found though is the weapon breakdown, which shows that each year about 300 people are murdered with rifles or shotguns respectively, while 1,800 are knifed, 500-600 are bludgeoned, and 600-800 are killed with bare hands, which illustrates why people like me get so frustrated when people bring up "assault weapons, which almost entirely fall into the rifle category, and thus are used in crime incredibly rarely.


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28 Mar 2017, 2:12 am

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Why would I be scared of carrying a gun? I'd be scared of other people carrying guns.
Why would you be scared of other gun carriers? They break fewer laws than the police, you're safer around them than just about anyone else.
I think I'm safer where I am.

So where did this statistic come from? Why compare them to an arbitrary group like the police? If the police breaks a lot of laws then plenty of other groups will break less laws.

Which group of gun carriers breaks less laws? All gun carriers? Law abiding gun carriers? I suppose the law abiding members of any group wouldn't break any laws by definition.

I'd be worried about the gun carriers you carry a gun to protect yourself from. I'd still be worried to be around those guys even if I had a gun. I wouldn't be scared of my gun, I'd be scared of theirs.

This is the part where I'd expect you to say "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns". The outlaws here don't have them because they can't get them. Blackmarket guns are extremely expensive here and your average two bit thug can't afford one. Organised crime groups can afford them but they're fewer in number than the two bit thugs and they don't usually target civs.

It worked for us, it probably wouldn't work for you guys as you have more guns in circulation to begin with and you have land boarders.
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Of course crime will exist without guns. Not as much deadly crime.

I couldn't find a statistical source specifically for non-gun crimes in the US but I found this. If you were thinking of a specific source I'd be happy to look at it.
Intriguingly, our murder rate minus the gun murders is still much higher than, say, Japans, and that's assuming no weapon substitution for the gun murders, which, again, points to other factors driving our murder rate.

What is interesting in that chart you found though is the weapon breakdown, which shows that each year about 300 people are murdered with rifles or shotguns respectively, while 1,800 are knifed, 500-600 are bludgeoned, and 600-800 are killed with bare hands, which illustrates why people like me get so frustrated when people bring up "assault weapons, which almost entirely fall into the rifle category, and thus are used in crime incredibly rarely.[/quote]Well you'd be better off saving the assault weapons argument for someone who complained specifically about assualt weapons.

I wasn't so much concerned about the rates for rifles but for all firearms. They make up about two thirds.

Without guns the other third would happen the same and some the other two thirds would happen by other means. A cold blooded murder will proceed no matter what but slower methods of killing are harder to pull off on impulse.

You're right that Japan has a very low murder rate. They also have strict gun control laws. I guess these laws didn't leave the Japanese populace defenseless against a wave of armed outlaws.


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28 Mar 2017, 2:21 am

Why do Americans love guns so much?

How about we say that American gun culture is in response to America having a homicide per capita rate that's relitively high compared to other first world countries, four times Australia's and ten times Japan's. [source]


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28 Mar 2017, 3:32 am

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I've never been more heavily armed than when I delivered pizza, if I'm going into sketchy neighborhoods late at night with an illuminated sign attached to my vehicle proclaiming that I'm carrying cash, best believe I'm tooling up. I had a positively hilarious encounter with hospital security one time when some nurses ordered and the rookie guard made me go through the metal detector, IIRC I had to check two guns, four spare magazines, two folding knives, a can of pepper spray, and a telescoping ASP baton, it took a good five minutes to check and log all of it, and everyone in the entry to the hospital got real wide eyed by the time I was able to go in. Talking to the regular guys later, I found out that I'd caused quite the incident for them, that they'd been waving delivery people through for years, and they'd had to change the policy because of me. I was pretty proud of that.


That's some story, Mr. D.! Do you realize that most hospital security guards don't carry guns? If there was a problem and I was working, I'd be right on the horn ordering a pizza just so you'd show up with your arsenal! :mrgreen:


Sounds like the makings of a vigilante superhero comic. Anyone here good at drawing or inking?

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Why do Americans love guns so much?

How about we say that American gun culture is in response to America having a homicide per capita rate that's relitively high compared to other first world countries, four times Australia's and ten times Japan's. [source]


Doesn't tell close to the whole story, if you lay out a map of the US showing where the crime occurs, it's concentrated in a handful of cities (coincidentally where gun ownership is least common), while most of the country (where the guns are) has a crime rate similar to Europe.


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