Page 12 of 21 [ 333 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 ... 21  Next

jrjones9933
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 May 2011
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,144
Location: The end of the northwest passage

19 Mar 2017, 11:06 am

The widespread fantasy of the glorious, bloody showdown, whether it ends like Butch and Sundance or like John Rambo, fuels a lot of the magical power imbued to guns by their fetishists.

Realistically, even for white conservative land owners, the odds suggest that armed resisters will end up mourning their dead family on the floor of the kitchen while their friends suffer agonizing injuries, surrounded by federal agents in the trees.


_________________
"I find that the best way [to increase self-confidence] is to lie to yourself about who you are, what you've done, and where you're going." - Richard Ayoade


ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 34,403
Location: Long Island, New York

19 Mar 2017, 11:43 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
The widespread fantasy of the glorious, bloody showdown, whether it ends like Butch and Sundance or like John Rambo, fuels a lot of the magical power imbued to guns by their fetishists.

Realistically, even for white conservative land owners, the odds suggest that armed resisters will end up mourning their dead family on the floor of the kitchen while their friends suffer agonizing injuries, surrounded by federal agents in the trees.


The hypothetical rebellion would start out one sided for the government. But then the question becomes will enough of the miliary, national guard, police would refuse to slaughter thier fellow Americans or join the rebels. They have not been so far, in fact seem to be over eager at times to repress thier fellow Americans. But in this scenario they will not be firing on black, brown or the disabled but Americans who often will look like them, share thier political views. and be thier neighboors. If this does not happen the rebellion will backfire and rebels worst nightmares about government repression will come true.

The biggest reasons I am skeptical of rebellion is people are too comfortable, and the aging of the this cohort.


_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity

It is Autism Acceptance Month

“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman


Last edited by ASPartOfMe on 19 Mar 2017, 1:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Dox47
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,577
Location: Seattle-ish

19 Mar 2017, 11:51 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
It's so amusing when people act like they have my best interests at heart in the middle of a barrage of irrational hostility. The crew would be the people you keep seeing next to you when you all pile on, in every case. I also find it amusing that you expect to deny the existence of what anyone can see.


Actually, I'd be thrilled if you were to be banned or stop posting, but in the meantime, I'm going to respond to your complaints of people being nasty to you by pointing out that you bring this down on yourself by being a flaming hypocrite who makes unfounded accusations and complains about the exact same things you yourself do. The fact that I'm not the only one who thinks your posts are ill informed, contradictory, at odds with reality, and hostile to boot does not a "crew" make, you manage to bring that out in a wide variety of people across the ideological spectrum purely through your own behavior.


_________________
“The totally convinced and the totally stupid have too much in common for the resemblance to be accidental.”
-- Robert Anton Wilson


Dox47
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,577
Location: Seattle-ish

19 Mar 2017, 11:54 am

Why does everyone always think a "gun rebellion" would look like conventional warfare? I would look a lot more like mass defiance of the law, with the whole country turned into a powder keg waiting for the spark of someone being killed for not turning in their guns to set it off.


_________________
“The totally convinced and the totally stupid have too much in common for the resemblance to be accidental.”
-- Robert Anton Wilson


Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Permanently banned by power tripping mods lol this forum is trash

19 Mar 2017, 1:39 pm

I so wish I was a Russian agent, I'm owed a lot of back-rubles for the work I've done!

Revolutions don't always turn into shooting civil wars, if 1% of the American people took up arms against the government then that would be over 3 million people which would be larger than any military in the world. I do not believe that America soldiers or American police would take the orders to fire on American citizens, if people really rose up then they would be right there along side them if not the ones leading it. They take their oath to constitution seriously and so should any potential despot, sic semper tyrannis. Remember that there's a 100 guns for every person in this country, so I dare you to come and take it. There's a lot more of us than there are of them, they could never win.



Biscuitman
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Mar 2013
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,665
Location: Dunking jammy dodgers

19 Mar 2017, 1:57 pm

I find Americas obsession with guns quite bewildering, but that is 'cos i am from a country where 99% of people will go through life never seeing or hearing one (I live in the countryside surrounded by farms so hear guns at night quite regularly as that is when farmers go shooting pheasants & grouse)



Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Permanently banned by power tripping mods lol this forum is trash

19 Mar 2017, 2:14 pm

The idea that people overseas have never seen or heard a gun seems crazy to me, my father educated me very young about gun safety and I've been comfortable handling them since before I was 10 years old. Hunting was something very culturally important where I grew up, even if you don't personally hunt you respect it. I'm kind of curious what the stats are on people's experience with guns in other places, am I that weird?



jrjones9933
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 May 2011
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,144
Location: The end of the northwest passage

19 Mar 2017, 2:21 pm

On my first trip to the Netherlands, I stopped to buy a trinket from a couple of young women outside a squat. I was the first person they met who owned a gun, and they were the first people I'd ever met who had never met someone who owned a gun. Their friend was also under the impression that the Second Amendment allowed all of us to own machine guns. It was an interesting conversation. They couldn't believe that people didn't know the difference between communism and socialism.

Cultural differences are a lot of fun. If all else fails, make animal sounds for each other.


_________________
"I find that the best way [to increase self-confidence] is to lie to yourself about who you are, what you've done, and where you're going." - Richard Ayoade


smudge
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2006
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,716
Location: Moved on

19 Mar 2017, 2:37 pm

I've seen a couple of gun shops, but otherwise have never seen or heard a gun. In some places in London you hear gunshots, apparently.


_________________
I've left WP.


Yo El
Toucan
Toucan

User avatar

Joined: 30 Dec 2016
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Posts: 271
Location: Netherlands

19 Mar 2017, 2:41 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
On my first trip to the Netherlands, I stopped to buy a trinket from a couple of young women outside a squat. I was the first person they met who owned a gun, and they were the first people I'd ever met who had never met someone who owned a gun. Their friend was also under the impression that the Second Amendment allowed all of us to own machine guns. It was an interesting conversation. They couldn't believe that people didn't know the difference between communism and socialism.

Cultural differences are a lot of fun. If all else fails, make animal sounds for each other.
Did you enjoy the Netherlands?



jrjones9933
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 May 2011
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,144
Location: The end of the northwest passage

19 Mar 2017, 2:54 pm

I consider it more free than here, despite all the weird business regulations. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I could.


_________________
"I find that the best way [to increase self-confidence] is to lie to yourself about who you are, what you've done, and where you're going." - Richard Ayoade


Yo El
Toucan
Toucan

User avatar

Joined: 30 Dec 2016
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Posts: 271
Location: Netherlands

19 Mar 2017, 2:59 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
I consider it more free than here, despite all the weird business regulations. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I could.

There is good health-care here. I get acces to a lot facilities because of my autism. Btw is or isn't Obamacare a total disaster?



jrjones9933
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 May 2011
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,144
Location: The end of the northwest passage

19 Mar 2017, 3:03 pm

Yo El wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
I consider it more free than here, despite all the weird business regulations. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I could.

There is good health-care here. I get acces to a lot facilities because of my autism. Btw is or isn't Obamacare a total disaster?

I don't think so, and neither do a majority of Americans. People keep saying it, though.


_________________
"I find that the best way [to increase self-confidence] is to lie to yourself about who you are, what you've done, and where you're going." - Richard Ayoade


Raptor
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Mar 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,997
Location: Southeast U.S.A.

19 Mar 2017, 9:46 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
It's so amusing when people act like they have my best interests at heart in the middle of a barrage of irrational hostility. The crew would be the people you keep seeing next to you when you all pile on, in every case. I also find it amusing that you expect to deny the existence of what anyone can see.

Just because more than one person finds you to be....how to say this without running afoul of the TOS....a nuisance. There, that's not too offensive I guess. Anyhoo, that doesnt amount to a crew it's just that more than one person finds you to be a nuisance. Besides, one of the mods is in your corner because others include me were accused of forming a coalition against you. [/quote]

Quote:
Back to guns. One thing rational gun owners can do to improve the situation under current law is buy the most technologically advanced pistols available. The safety features make it possible to store them loaded and ready to go in a convenient location, knowing that if a kid got his hands on it, it would be no more dangerous than a brick.

I can't see very many manufacturers making a gun like that since it won't sell very well, except for a comparative few numbskulls. It's a solution to a non-existing problem. Most "rational" shooters including me don't even like magazine disconnect safeties, loaded chamber indicators, internal locking devices, or safeties on striker fired handguns. They are all BS features that cannot take the place of safe gun handling.


_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson


ZenDen
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 Jul 2013
Age: 81
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,730
Location: On top of the world

20 Mar 2017, 11:05 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
I did say that it takes a high level of accuracy to be a good hunter. If a lung shot is okay with you, then that's you.

I don't have magical thinking about guns. I notice enough of my mistakes to expect that I have to exercise a lot of caution to beat the odds. Also, all my guns are functional and for killing food, although one is rather cute.

I like to introduce people to guns. It gives me a chance to teach them gun safety, by the book. I love the look on their faces when they shoot a milk jug and I explain that's what happens to any liquid filled bag. They're cool, but the only problem they solve is a lack of meat.


Please let me suggest, respectfully, that you are not what's known in hunting circles as a thoughtful hunter, certainly no sportsman. Your claim of instant death to your prey is ludicrous.

You would have us believe your hold is so steady, your equipment so perfect, your understanding of environmental conditions/issues in play faultless that you would risk crippling or else-wise damaging and leaving in pain an innocent animal. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You're not The Lone Ranger or any other imaginary person that can not miss what they're shooting at. But you'll do the un-sportsman like action of taking a foolish shot to bolster your ego?????

Actually I have doubts whether you've done much or any hunting. Who would ever teach someone or allow someone to hunt this way????? The lung shot is a proven stopper and quickly and certainly ends the animal's life....you're cruel proposal does not. Please no "I never miss...I am a dead-eye shooter" nonsense. Please stop spreading foolish, and potentially crippling, uninformed advise. Thank you.



smudge
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2006
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,716
Location: Moved on

20 Mar 2017, 11:30 am

Come on people, lay off him.


_________________
I've left WP.