Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

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06 May 2017, 11:47 am

I hate child abuse and will not tolerate it. If I found out that a family member was abusive to a child I would call the police. A less extreme example would be drunk driving. I hate it. If a family member was going to drive drunk and I couldn't stop them, I would report them to the police.

Hate can be good if it is an intolerance of something that will harm another person.


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06 May 2017, 3:25 pm

Re: Jesus seems to hate some things: I left the church that I was raised in about 25 years ago, and part of the process involved personal study about the Jesus Seminar and the historical context of authorship of gospel texts. Re-reading the gospels after that study gave me some context for texts that would appear to stir up social demonstration/ revolt. In that context, revolt or talk of insurgency might look like hate.

No, I don't hate anything, and I think that hate causes mental anguish. I have never made a good decision while in a hateful state. I am pretty sure that some of my physical illness (in the past) was caused by the stress of hate. I'm done with hate.

At the same time, good judgement and critical thought can lead a person to reject violent or harmful situations (like workplace gossip) and their choice to turn away from that might look like hate, even though it's motivated by a desire to turn towards the wholesome.



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07 May 2017, 12:22 am

I tend to rearrange, recolour and fortify myself against things I find bleak and banal, I try not to leak black feelings like hate any longer as that takes a lot out of you that can be better redirected into replacing with a more fulfilling, flavorful liquid. A lot of re's, recycling is the key but regurgitating or reanimating is a no-no. Resolute! :D Recognition of something and portioning your reaction and measuring the scope and depth and shape, I can put a filter up, a see through wall and accept how strongly I feel and direct myself against that particular current, but constant perspiration from feeling the relentless odour, it just leaves a helpless hole where you stay at the bottom until you either seek to change your relationship with it or submerge further into whatever it has chipped away at away from what you assumed was its 'place' within your core. Hatred is opaque to me, once you have accepted you feel a massive murky mass against something, you can make a strategy where it does not have to dictate to you.


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14 May 2017, 12:21 pm

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Hate is useless and even when justified should be avoided. I have no idea what Jesus thought about this and I don't think it's relevant. Hate knows know religious bounds, it is a human feeling.

Hate does nothing to the object of hatred, but destroys the person who feels it.


That, or motivate the good people to fight against the evil they hate, just as Jesus would advise.

If you do not hate those who do evil, then you are not a moral person.

That is why Jesus will send the evil ones to hell. ----- Not that I believe in either.

Or do you see that as an example of love?

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14 May 2017, 12:23 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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He liked wine well enough.
Maybe wrath is a better word than hate.I like the wrathful Jesus that kicked the money changers out of the temple.


Yes. He got angry on occasions. But anger does not equal "hate".


True. That is why they are not described the same way.

What triggers the anger if not hate?

Please do not get semantic on me.

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14 May 2017, 12:28 pm

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Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Jesus seems to be saying that he is promoting division and war with a number of his sayings that pit father against son and brother against brother.

Jesus advocated division, war and hate; even as some think he preached to love our enemies.

Did Jesus hate and is hate thus a good character trait?

No, I don't think Jesus hated (people, at least), because he promoted "Hate the sin, not the sinner"----like somebody pointed-out him upturning the tables in the Temple, because he hated what they were doing; but, if any one of those money changers would have asked-for God's Grace, I feel they would have received it, if they went-through Jesus.

As for Jesus' quote: I agree with Brainfre3ze_93, and will add that it was Jesus' job to give people, God's message; and then, to determine which people would follow him (thus, be a follower of the Father). I don't feel the passage is saying that Jesus advocated war----but, he knew that his coming, would CAUSE one, because he knew that some would not believe, and would fight the ones who DID.

No, I don't hate----nor, do I think it's good----because I feel it only weakens my spirit; and, like others with Aspergers, if I only have to deal with "Aspie stuff", ALONE, I need my spirit to be strong and intact.


Yet, duality, which is strong in us, says that to have a strong spirit one must hate well as love well.

"Hate the sin, not the sinner"

Tell us who Jesus will send to hell. Those he loves, or the sin he hates?

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14 May 2017, 12:30 pm

hurtloam wrote:
I hate child abuse and will not tolerate it. If I found out that a family member was abusive to a child I would call the police. A less extreme example would be drunk driving. I hate it. If a family member was going to drive drunk and I couldn't stop them, I would report them to the police.

Hate can be good if it is an intolerance of something that will harm another person.


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14 May 2017, 12:33 pm

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Re: Jesus seems to hate some things: I left the church that I was raised in about 25 years ago, and part of the process involved personal study about the Jesus Seminar and the historical context of authorship of gospel texts. Re-reading the gospels after that study gave me some context for texts that would appear to stir up social demonstration/ revolt. In that context, revolt or talk of insurgency might look like hate.

No, I don't hate anything, and I think that hate causes mental anguish. I have never made a good decision while in a hateful state. I am pretty sure that some of my physical illness (in the past) was caused by the stress of hate. I'm done with hate.

At the same time, good judgement and critical thought can lead a person to reject violent or harmful situations (like workplace gossip) and their choice to turn away from that might look like hate, even though it's motivated by a desire to turn towards the wholesome.


Are you saying that a rape victim hatting her rapist is not wholesome?

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14 May 2017, 12:37 pm

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I tend to rearrange, recolour and fortify myself against things I find bleak and banal, I try not to leak black feelings like hate any longer as that takes a lot out of you that can be better redirected into replacing with a more fulfilling, flavorful liquid. A lot of re's, recycling is the key but regurgitating or reanimating is a no-no. Resolute! :D Recognition of something and portioning your reaction and measuring the scope and depth and shape, I can put a filter up, a see through wall and accept how strongly I feel and direct myself against that particular current, but constant perspiration from feeling the relentless odour, it just leaves a helpless hole where you stay at the bottom until you either seek to change your relationship with it or submerge further into whatever it has chipped away at away from what you assumed was its 'place' within your core. Hatred is opaque to me, once you have accepted you feel a massive murky mass against something, you can make a strategy where it does not have to dictate to you.


I agree that we are to control our hate and not let it control us.

To ignore what your reason and morals tell you what you should hate, would be you ignoring your own good advice.

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14 May 2017, 3:32 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
He liked wine well enough.
Maybe wrath is a better word than hate.I like the wrathful Jesus that kicked the money changers out of the temple.


Yes. He got angry on occasions. But anger does not equal "hate".


True. That is why they are not described the same way.

What triggers the anger if not hate?

Please do not get semantic on me.



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I am not.

You ARE playing semantics.



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14 May 2017, 4:27 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
He liked wine well enough.
Maybe wrath is a better word than hate.I like the wrathful Jesus that kicked the money changers out of the temple.


Yes. He got angry on occasions. But anger does not equal "hate".


True. That is why they are not described the same way.

What triggers the anger if not hate?

Please do not get semantic on me.



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I am not.

You ARE playing semantics.


I see you could not dither out an answer to my simple question.

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19 Jul 2017, 5:35 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Jesus seems to be saying that he is promoting division and war with a number of his sayings that pit father against son and brother against brother.

Jesus advocated division, war and hate; even as some think he preached to love our enemies.

Did Jesus hate and is hate thus a good character trait?

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Alright Love? :lol: Loving your hypnotic avatar.. now does Jesus hate things? Well, he crops up in all our Chirstian minds from different stargazing spectrums and times, and I hate the word hate, but yes, sometimes, hate is good if it is for a just cause.

Then you go on to discuss divissions between struggling societies such as the Trump admission of supporters, yes? so those who have come to hate Islamists and Mexicans are a mere fraction of the peace and upholding the court of law in this respect seems crass? I think we need to save 'The Wall', for another thread.

The only love that could ever save us, was the love of a preacherman? is this true? If you are implying that our Lord Jesus Christ 'hated non fellow Jews',etc, then you are questioning the message of symbolic love?
People hate, love, hate to love, like, don't like, preach on topics of disimilar interest then pursue it with a similar topic of interest, so the world carries on.

I can understand that some members feel segregated atm, and I do not wish to accerbate this situation into a bigger problem on the board that those who are meant to feel shunned and do, should, so anyone who needs to clarify an appeal of thier own, should feel free to do so, unless it impacts on the grander and bigger scheme of other unworldy things, that our poor pitter patter of helpless tattered feet can cateogorically deny.



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19 Jul 2017, 5:42 pm

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Not entirely, what the verse is saying is that his words will cause division between people. Jesus's teachings were not exactly popular, and he is saying that if you follow me certain relationships will falter. (including familial relationships, remember many people who were followers of Jesus had Jewish backgrounds) Which is exactly what many family members of Jesus's disciples try to convince them that following Jesus wasn't worth it, and will keep them away from God. Even though they believe Jesus when he said he was the begotten son of God, and he is the way to God.


Precisely. And this entire thread is the result of people making assumptions based on simplistic popular impressions and hateful propaganda, without actually studying the source material they've chosen to ridicule.


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19 Jul 2017, 6:10 pm

And this entire thread is the result of people making assumptions based on simplistic popular impressions and hateful propaganda, without actually studying the source material they've chosen to ridicule.



I believe the OP artists impressions of 'highlighted propaganda', for a Jesus thread are rembrandted enough by the OP to have her/his suggestions heard, and not to be rechanelled nor segrated from layer upon layer of double scrutiny upon purely rhetorical means, to hard line a Jesus thread on this basis.



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19 Jul 2017, 6:36 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
He liked wine well enough.
Maybe wrath is a better word than hate.I like the wrathful Jesus that kicked the money changers out of the temple.


Yes. He got angry on occasions. But anger does not equal "hate".


True. That is why they are not described the same way.

What triggers the anger if not hate?

Please do not get semantic on me.



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I am not.

You ARE playing semantics.


I see you could not dither out an answer to my simple question.

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No need to answer it because obviously anger is not necessarily triggered by hate.

And stop projecting your own semantic games on me.